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[hawat333]

Dualfinger wrote...

Hell, how you guys ever get to n7?

That's simple. Just put anyone who opposes the idea in my crew.

[Ecael]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Bump for pure awesomeness and moar squad ineptness!

This one should work for Miranda and Jacob. Let me know if you run into any problems.

All 11 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
-----------------

Loyals: Miranda, Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane
Non-loyals: Tali, Zaeed, Samara
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Only Chakwas survives

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Complete about 4-6 missions after the abduction to ensure the crew is liquified
-Either side with Miranda or resolve the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Mess up Samara's loyalty quest by scaring Morinth away when you meet her
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the workers but not Charming him
-Bring Tali - but not Legion - to the Oculus fight

Assignments
Vents - Garrus (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Grunt and Tali, make sure Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Zaeed (dies)
Escort - Samara (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Jacob
Distraction Team - Mordin, Tali (both die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Garrus - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Zaeed - Died while closing second door
Samara - Died escorting Dr. Chakwas
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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[Nissun]

Hey I'm trying to think about how can I save Legion, Mordin, Garrus and Thane in a playthrough. I'm not counting Zaeed or Kasumi, though. I was wondering if it would work like this:



-Not opening Grunt's tank.

-No shield upgrade: Tali dies (if I take Legion with me)

-No armor upgrade: Jack dies.

-In the vents: Jacob dies.

Garrus as team leader both times, no one dies here.

-Miranda as biotic, Samara dies taken by the swarm.

Send Thane back as escort, he survives?

-Final fight: Mordin and unloyal Miranda: Miranda dies?

Holding the line: Garrus and Legion, will they hold?



Am I missing something? Could it work?

[Ecael]

Nissun wrote...

Hey I'm trying to think about how can I save Legion, Mordin, Garrus and Thane in a playthrough. I'm not counting Zaeed or Kasumi, though. I was wondering if it would work like this:

-Not opening Grunt's tank.
-No shield upgrade: Tali dies (if I take Legion with me)
-No armor upgrade: Jack dies.
-In the vents: Jacob dies.
Garrus as team leader both times, no one dies here.
-Miranda as biotic, Samara dies taken by the swarm.
Send Thane back as escort, he survives?
-Final fight: Mordin and unloyal Miranda: Miranda dies?
Holding the line: Garrus and Legion, will they hold?

Am I missing something? Could it work?

I would suggest releasing Grunt from his tank and killing him in the final mission - otherwise, he may count as a survivor in Mass Effect 3.

Give me one second, I'll conjure something up.

Also, do you want the crew to survive?

Modifié par Ecael, 14 mars 2010 - 11:49 .

[Szemis]

Ecael wrote...

Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line

What kind of squad compositions for holding the line results in 2 or more crew dying in that part of the suicide mission. You mention that Mordin and non-loyal Tali both die.

I thought that a hold the line squad has total defence value and if that isn’t high enough then one squad member dies based on their defence value and loyalty.

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line

What kind of squad compositions for holding the line results in 2 or more crew dying in that part of the suicide mission. You mention that Mordin and non-loyal Tali both die.

I thought that a hold the line squad has total defence value and if that isn’t high enough then one squad member dies based on their defence value and loyalty.

If the hold the line duo is weak enough (say, loyal Mordin and non-loyal Tali or non-loyal Mordin and Tali), neither of the two will survive. Joker will say "Looks like the distraction team didn't make it." You'll still only see one corpse, but the squad screen after the mission will show both of them dead.

I don't think I've ever been able to wipe out 3 characters at a time, although non-loyal Kasumi/Jack, Tali and Mordin might work. I'll test that out in a few moments.

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line

What kind of squad compositions for holding the line results in 2 or more crew dying in that part of the suicide mission. You mention that Mordin and non-loyal Tali both die.

I thought that a hold the line squad has total defence value and if that isn’t high enough then one squad member dies based on their defence value and loyalty.

Ok, just ran a Hold the Line playthrough (doesn't take long with a Save File editor, trust me). I wiped out the hold the line team (3 squadmates) with:

1. Non-loyal Mordin
2. Non-loyal Tali
3. Non-loyal Kasumi

[Szemis]

Ecael you are a Mass Effect Machine!!

Thanks for all your posts, very helpful.

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

Ecael you are a Mass Effect Machine!!
Thanks for all your posts, very helpful.

"I always work at optimal capacity."

Anyway, I managed to do it with 4 now (Mordin, Tali, Kasumi, Jack) and interestingly enough, 3 of the 4 squadmates showed up at the death scene:

Click for Full image



Mordin died in the usual spot that squadmates usually do, Tali is hunched over at the back, and you can see Kasumi's legs sticking out from the left side.

[EricHVela]

Ecael wrote...

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Woohoo! Thanks a billion!
Gonna try it out now!

[Nissun]

Ecael wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Hey I'm trying to think about how can I save Legion, Mordin, Garrus and Thane in a playthrough. I'm not counting Zaeed or Kasumi, though. I was wondering if it would work like this:

-Not opening Grunt's tank.
-No shield upgrade: Tali dies (if I take Legion with me)
-No armor upgrade: Jack dies.
-In the vents: Jacob dies.
Garrus as team leader both times, no one dies here.
-Miranda as biotic, Samara dies taken by the swarm.
Send Thane back as escort, he survives?
-Final fight: Mordin and unloyal Miranda: Miranda dies?
Holding the line: Garrus and Legion, will they hold?

Am I missing something? Could it work?

I would suggest releasing Grunt from his tank and killing him in the final mission - otherwise, he may count as a survivor in Mass Effect 3.

Give me one second, I'll conjure something up.

Also, do you want the crew to survive?

I've heard Grunt can be killed when you release him. At least, I know Shepard shoots him, but I believe he can be properly killed too. In that case, would everything else work?

In this case I don't care much about the crew, but does this plan affect that? A good escort is enough for their survival, right?

[Ecael]

Nissun wrote...

I've heard Grunt can be killed when you release him. At least, I know Shepard shoots him, but I believe he can be properly killed too. In that case, would everything else work?

In this case I don't care much about the crew, but does this plan affect that? A good escort is enough for their survival, right?

There's been an argument about that over on the Mass Effect wiki about whether Grunt can die outside the mission or not. Until I see a screenshot of Grunt dead in Port Cargo, it's hard to believe.

Any escort will ensure the crew's survival, loyal or non-loyal. However, the non-loyal escort will always die.

[Nissun]

If Grunt can't be killed in the cargo bay, I'll just get rid of him. I don't think they will count him as survivor in ME3 if he isn't around at all for the action in ME2. And if they do, it doesn't bother me that much.



Thankyou. I'll try that plan with my next Shepard, will report back the results if anybody is interested.

[Ecael]

Nissun wrote...

If Grunt can't be killed in the cargo bay, I'll just get rid of him. I don't think they will count him as survivor in ME3 if he isn't around at all for the action in ME2. And if they do, it doesn't bother me that much.

Thankyou. I'll try that plan with my next Shepard, will report back the results if anybody is interested.

Glad to be of service.

[Ecael]

I got a request from someone for (I do get a lot of messages about playthroughs, actually):

Hey, I was wondering if you could help me change my plan a bit. I've grown to like Legion a lot in this playthrough and I was wondering about having Legion, Morinth, and Mordin being the only ones to live. I would have posted this question on the thread itself but it says I la k tthe suffcient criteria for doing so.

Hopefully this doesn't take too long:

All 11 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Legion, Morinth and Mordin
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Thane, Morinth, Zaeed (if you want)
Non-loyals: Tali, Miranda
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: If you want the crew, send Mordin back with them

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Jack for the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Bring Tali AND Legion to the Oculus fight

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Non-loyal Samara (bring Grunt and Miranda, make sure Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Mordin and Miranda
Distraction Team - Legion, Morinth and Tali (Tali should die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Thane - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Garrus - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Zaeed - Died while closing second door
Miranda - Died at final boss
Tali - Died holding the line

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Legion, Morinth and Mordin
-----------------

As for Kasumi: You'll have to make her the second Fire Team Leader (if that's possible, I'm certain it is) and put a non-loyal Zaeed on escort duty for the crew (mess up his loyalty mission first).

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Ecael wrote...

Ok, this is what I have so far for Kasumi, if they don't change it with the DLC:

Normandy Ship Upgrade Deaths
No Armor - Jack
No Shields - Kasumi -> Legion -> Tali -> Thane -> Garrus -> Zaeed -> Grunt -> Samara
No Weapon - Thane -> Garrus -> Zaeed -> Grunt -> Samara

Hold the Line Death List (Weakest first)
1. Mordin
2. Tali
3. Kasumi
4. Jack
5. Miranda

NOTE: Non-loyals will die before loyal squadmates.

1) Is the non-loyals first rule for ship upgrade deaths as well?
2) If so then if Jack, Tali, and Samara are disloyal (and everyone else is loyal) will they be the ones to die in that order?

3) Also at Hold the Line if you leave just kasumi and legion there will legion survive and kasumi die if they're both loyal?  (or is it heavily dependant on difficulty and if so what difficulties provide which results?)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 12:55 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Ok, this is what I have so far for Kasumi, if they don't change it with the DLC:

Normandy Ship Upgrade Deaths
No Armor - Jack
No Shields - Kasumi -> Legion -> Tali -> Thane -> Garrus -> Zaeed -> Grunt -> Samara
No Weapon - Thane -> Garrus -> Zaeed -> Grunt -> Samara

Hold the Line Death List (Weakest first)
1. Mordin
2. Tali
3. Kasumi
4. Jack
5. Miranda

NOTE: Non-loyals will die before loyal squadmates.

1) Is the non-loyals first rule for ship upgrade deaths as well?
2) If so then if Jack, Tali, and Samara are disloyal (and everyone else is loyal) will they be the ones to die in that order?

3) Also at Hold the Line if you leave just kasumi and legion there will legion survive and kasumi die if they're both loyal?  (or is it heavily dependant on difficulty and if so what difficulties provide which results?)

Ship Upgrade deaths ignore loyalty, so those people will die every time.

If it's just Legion and Kasumi holding the line, then there are three outcomes:
1) If both final boss squadmates survive, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
2) If one final boss squadmate survives, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
3) If neither final boss squadmate survive, then everyone dies

I've never seen it to be dependent on difficulty level.

Modifié par Ecael, 17 mars 2010 - 01:17 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Dead Tali.
Image of the day.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Ecael wrote...


Ship Upgrade deaths ignore loyalty, so
those people will die every time.

If it's just Legion and Kasumi
holding the line, then there are three outcomes:
1) If both final
boss squadmates survive, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
2) If
one final boss squadmate survives, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
3) If
neither final boss squadmate survive, then everyone dies

I've
never seen it to be dependent on difficulty level.

So collector attacks are just determined by priority and who you don't have recruited, with the engine explosion being determined by who you fight occulus with....I see.  Sucks that it's SUCH A PAIN to get samara to get impaled.  I kinda was hoping for that SPECIFIC DEATH 

Loyalty is the only factor that determines whether a squadmate will die during the final boss right?

Any idea what the heirarchy looks like for the seeker swarms death?  What about the part where you catch your teammate before the big fall after the final boss?  Is it just dependant on which party member you select first when grouping up?


Some specific scenarios I was curious about:
1) Legion and Morinth at
hold the line
2) Morinth and Kasumi hold the line
3) Legion and
Morinth against seeker swarms (Who gets taken away?  Miranda is on
bubble duty)
4) Morinth and Kasumi seeker swarms
5) Garrus and
Legion against swarms
6) Garrus and Kasumi against swarms



(We TOTALLY need some charts and spreadsheets of this stuff)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 02:11 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Ecael wrote...


Ship Upgrade deaths ignore loyalty, so
those people will die every time.

If it's just Legion and Kasumi
holding the line, then there are three outcomes:
1) If both final
boss squadmates survive, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
2) If
one final boss squadmate survives, then Legion survives and Kasumi dies
3) If
neither final boss squadmate survive, then everyone dies

I've
never seen it to be dependent on difficulty level.

So collector attacks are just determined by priority and who you don't have recruited, with the engine explosion being determined by who you fight occulus with....I see.  Sucks that it's SUCH A PAIN to get samara to get impaled.  I kinda was hoping for that SPECIFIC DEATH 

Loyalty is the only factor that determines whether a squadmate will die during the final boss right?

Any idea what the heirarchy looks like for the seeker swarms death?  What about the part where you catch your teammate before the big fall after the final boss?  Is it just dependant on which party member you select first when grouping up?


Some specific scenarios I was curious about:
1) Legion and Morinth at hold the line
2) Morinth and Kasumi hold the line
3) Legion and Morinth against seeker swarms (Who gets taken away?  Miranda is on bubble duty)
4) Morinth and Kasumi seeker swarms
5) Garrus and Legion against swarms
6) Garrus and Kasumi against swarms


(We TOTALLY need some charts and spreadsheets of this stuff)

Yes, loyalty is the only determining factor at the final boss.

I'm not sure about the hierarchy for the seeker swarms - the fact that Miranda survives it 99% of the time throws everything off (she doesn't have a voiced part for that). The 'catch the teammate' part is probably just based on the order of selection.

Knowing that, it's hard to test the seeker swarm part - if I want someone specifically to die, then I use a non-loyal Samara (or Thane/Jacob) for the biotic barrier and put Miranda in my squad. The other squadmate will die. Otherwise, it almost seems random.

Also, like I mentioned, hold the line - with only 2 or 3 defenders - is also dependent on whether the two squadmates at the final boss survive.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I'm trying to end with Garrus, Morinth, Mordin, and Miranda as the surviving squadmates, aka the 4 races that mirror the current council ifyou saved the Destiny Assention, and i need to figure out what to do with hold the line and the seeker swarms to make sure legion and kasumi get killed.  (Miranda on bubble duty, everyone loyal, Mordin sent back with survivors, Garrus and Miranda as my final boss party)

Morinth won't mess up the bubble since she can't be non loyal, and all my other biotics are dead so I HAVE to stick miranda on bubble duty.  Outside of that I just have to figure out what combination between Legion, Kasumi, and Morinth will get Legion and Kasumi killed at the Swarms and Hold the Line.


I wonder if the swarms are effected by who you pick first.  Because then I could easily get Legion killed at the swarms and Kasumi dead at Hold the Line (With Morinth as Kasumi's ally it'd be a real creepy finale where you wouldn't be sure if Morinth killed her and ran for it or not)  If not then I'd have to figure out if Kasumi or Morinth out rank Legion for the swarms or not....


Edit: I'm pretty sure this works but Turning in Tali's father's evidence at the Trial will still get the Tali and Legion fight later, right?

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 02:20 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

I'm trying to end with Garrus, Morinth, Mordin, and Miranda as the surviving squadmates, aka the 4 races that mirror the current council ifyou saved the Destiny Assention, and i need to figure out what to do with hold the line and the seeker swarms to make sure legion and kasumi get killed.  (Miranda on bubble duty, everyone loyal, Mordin sent back with survivors, Garrus and Miranda as my final boss party)

Morinth won't mess up the bubble since she can't be non loyal, and all my other biotics are dead so I HAVE to stick miranda on bubble duty.  Outside of that I just have to figure out what combination between Legion, Kasumi, and Morinth will get Legion and Kasumi killed at the Swarms and Hold the Line.


I wonder if the swarms are effected by who you pick first.  Because then I could easily get Legion killed at the swarms and Kasumi dead at Hold the Line (With Morinth as Kasumi's ally it'd be a real creepy finale where you wouldn't be sure if Morinth killed her and ran for it or not)


Edit: I'm pretty sure this works but Turning in Tali's father's evidence at the Trial will still get the Tali and Legion fight later, right?

No, you can't lose both Tali and Legion's loyalties. The fight only occurs upon gaining both loyalties.

Interesting choice of survivors, by the way. Give me a few minutes to figure this out.

[Ecael]

By the way, do you want the crew to survive or not?

[Tooneyman]

The worst part is for you the DLC won't be in ME 3 haaah!

[Ecael]

Tooneyman wrote...

The worst part is for you the DLC won't be in ME 3 haaah!

Any announcement on that or is that based off of Dragon Age: Awakening (which is different altogether)?

If that were the case, then I'd probably try to make Zaeed and Kasumi survive instead - then I'll have no one left!