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[Sockwolf]

I havent read all the thread, so apologies if this has already been covered, but...

After the final mission, recruit Zaeed and kill him during his loyalty mission

How do you kill him during his loyalty mission? My Shepard would've happily left him to rot under that rubble but the option wasnt there.

[Jarcander]

Ecael wrote...

Deaths, before landing
Samara - Betrayed for Morinth, decapitated
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died at final boss
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Died in a fire

Cheery. You really went an extra mile just to get there, eh? Grats for causing ME3 devs some headache.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Ecael wrote...

By the way, do you want the crew to survive
or not?

Yeah.  Basically I want this general setup or what is close enough to still work:  (with a little plot based logic to explain the choices)

Use Omega-4 Relay
Deaths: Jack, Tali, Thane
Active Party: Legion, Kasumi

Infiltration
Specialist: Jacob  (He volunteered)
Fire Team: Garrus
Deaths: Kelly, Jacob
Active Party: Miranda, Grunt

The Long Walk
Specialist: Miranda (She volunteered, plus Shepard can't completely trust Morinth)
Fire Team: Grunt (Seems logical to rotate leaders to prevent exhaustion)
Escort: Mordin
Deaths: Grunt, Legion
Active Party: Morinth, Legion

Human Reaper
Hold the Line: Morinth, Kasumi
Deaths: Kasumi (edit: Zaeed)
Active Party: Miranda, Garrus


Miranda, Garrus, Morinth, Mordin, and Shepard survive.  Everyone's loyalty missions finished.  Could play arround with Grunt, Legion, Kasumi, Morinth, and any unused member's placing per phase to get things to "work"


(Also I was hoping for the tali vs legion scene after turning in the father's evidence just because siding with legion there ontop of what happened before would create a really powerful moment, are you 100% sure it doesn't trigger without her loyalty?)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 03:01 .

[Ecael]

Sockwolf wrote...

I havent read all the thread, so apologies if this has already been covered, but...

After the final mission, recruit Zaeed and kill him during his loyalty mission

How do you kill him during his loyalty mission? My Shepard would've happily left him to rot under that rubble but the option wasnt there.

Has to be after the Omega-4 relay (Zaeed must survive as non-loyal) and you have to save the workers. The option will open up when he gets trapped under the rubble.

[Sockwolf]

Oh that's perfect. My canon playthrough will go down like that.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

You can't kill Zaeed before Omega 4? I thought the option DID come up...That might make my playthrough a little more difficult since I like bringing him along for the Archangel mission...  Ontop of already having enough headaches trying to figure out that suicide mission order.  I guess I'd need to throw a neutral Zaeed into that hold the line. 
Would he and Morinth survive?  If Zaeed and Kasumi don't survive but Morinth does then that's just fine.  (Zaeed can be non loyal in that scenario for what I'm doing here, and if it helps so can Kasumi if you can toggle that)  not sure if it'd all work yet though so I hope your tests come back positive Ecael!!

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 02:59 .

[Sockwolf]

It definitely doesn't. Shep mentions leaving him but then helps him out no matter what you say.

[Leto182000]

Wow, that is an impressive playthrough. I've been trying to act Renegade and screw things up on my second playthrough of ME2, but I just can't do it. I was a straight up Paragon in both games and now it's just impulse to go for the good guy dialogue. I did enjoy punching Al-Jilani in the face this time, though.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

One other reason why I want 4 squadmates together is because there's that shot in the epilogue of 4 of your remaining guys together and having it be JUST THE SURVIVORS would be pretty cool. (Plus I killed Wrex in this playthrough so ending both games with 4 squadmates doesn't seem inappropriate)

[FlammableSlinky]

I would think having only the DLC chacters survive would be worse since they are already optional to the story. I forsee a new team in ME3, since it seems it would be very hard for bioware to account for this

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

(Also I was hoping for the tali vs legion scene after turning in the father's evidence just because siding with legion there ontop of what happened before would create a really powerful moment, are you 100% sure it doesn't trigger without her loyalty?)

Considering she's already crying inside when you talk to her after handing in the evidence, I doubt she'll even care about having a geth on board at that point. You can probably just assume that Legion stole the omni-tool data without much trouble.

Anyway, finally figured it out:

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Garrus, Mordin, Morinth, Miranda (Council Races)
-----------------

Loyals: Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Kasumi, Morinth, Miranda
Non-loyals: Tali, Jack, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: All saved

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Miranda or resolve the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the workers but not getting his loyalty back
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Bring Tali and Legion to fight the Oculus (Kasumi should die)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Grunt and Tali, Grunt should die)
Second Fire Team Leader - Legion (dies)
Escort - Mordin
Final boss squadmates - Zaeed and Garrus (Zaeed dies)
Distraction Team - Morinth, Miranda, Tali (Tali dies)

Deaths, before landing
Samara - Betrayed for Morinth, decapitated
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Legion - Died while closing second door
Tali - Died holding the line
Zaeed - Died at final boss

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Garrus, Mordin, Morinth, Miranda (Council Races)
-----------------

Modifié par Ecael, 17 mars 2010 - 03:11 .

[Ecael]

One other reason why I want 4 squadmates together is because there's
that shot in the epilogue of 4 of your remaining guys together and
having it be JUST THE SURVIVORS would be pretty cool. (Plus I killed
Wrex in this playthrough so ending both games with 4 squadmates doesn't
seem inappropriate)

I'm pretty sure that final shot in the epilogue will always take about half of your team - so you'll see 2 of the 4 there. Even if you have 2 survive, you'll only see one squadmate standing there.

I would think having only the DLC chacters survive would be worse since
they are already optional to the story. I forsee a new team in ME3,
since it seems it would be very hard for bioware to account for this

Well, I would think that they're not so much optional, but they'd still be relegated to cameos in ME3. BioWare can easily assume that almost everyone has the Zaeed DLC because it's free, but Kasumi will definitely not be on some people's playthroughs.

Thus, Kasumi is an easy choice if we were to pick which 1 of the 12 will be least likely to show up. Either Morinth, Zaeed, Thane or Samara would be next.

Modifié par Ecael, 17 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Hmmm...looks REALLY good but I still have some questions: What if you switched Tali and Kasumi there would it still work? I didn't mention it but one of my goals was having Tali be incinerated (Her always being in the engine room it makes sense plotwise, plus i'm quite fond of that death from a character arc standpoint) Also what happens if you try to bring miranda to the final boss? (She has a REALLY good scene there) Are you able to switch Miranda and Zaeed and still keep the same results? What if Zaeed AND kasumi are disloyal will they both die while holding the line while morinth lives?  Or instead of that What about switching Miranda and Garrus at the end?  can you get the intended result still?  Or is this basically the only combination you can think of where it will work for my specific deaths?  If you swap kasumi-tali and final boss miranda-garrus does it **** up the rest of the deaths?

Edit: And I gotta say, those deaths for grunt and legion are actually more fitting, since grunt dies because he gets blood-lust and legion's death quote was my second favorite next to grunt's.

If we could melt tali and get Miranda into the final boss while keeping everything else the same it'd be PERFECT.  (Having Zaeed fill the post boss death is pretty cool too if miranda can be there too because then shep and miranda get a really epic chase scene at the end, if garrus is the one inside the normandy then it ends up as the best possible scene right there!!)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[Siansonea]

I'm doing a similar playthrough right now. I have my Boy Scout Shepard, who makes sure everyone lives and everyone likes him, and I have my Evil Shepard, who makes sure everyone dies and those few she can't kill hate her guts. I'm on track to kill everyone off, my goal is to have only Morinth survive the playthrough. She'll make short work of Joker, then EDI will be alone on the Normandy II with an asari serial killer whom she believes to be a respected justicar. Darkest ending imaginable, I think.

[Vaenier]

You can kill Zaeed during the loyalty mission, right? what happens if he is one of the only 2 left after the suicide mission?

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Hmmm...looks pretty good but I still have some questions: What if you switched Tali and Kasumi there would it still work? I didn't mention it but one of my goals was having Tali be incinerated (Her always being in the engine room it makes sense plotwise, plus i'm quite fond of that death from a character arc standpoint) Also what happens if you try to bring miranda to the final boss? (She has a REALLY good scene there) Are you able to switch Miranda and Zaeed and still keep the same results? What if Zaeed AND kasumi are disloyal will they both die while holding the line while morinth lives?  Or instead of that What about switching Miranda and Garrus at the end?  can you get the intended result still?  Or is this basically the only combination you can think of where it will work for my specific deaths?

Edit: And I gotta say, those deaths for grunt and legion are actually more fitting, since grunt dies because he gets blood-lust and legion's death quote was my second favorite next to grunt's.

If we could melt tali and get Miranda into the final boss while keeping everything else the same it'd be PERFECT.  (Having Zaeed fill the post boss death is pretty cool too if miranda can be there too because then shep and miranda get a really epic chase scene at the end, if garrus is the one inside the normandy then it ends up as the best possible scene right there!!)

Well, the reason I put Kasumi and Tali in those spots was because Tali is non-loyal, so she's almost guaranteed to die holding the line. We don't know yet if Kasumi's loyalty mission will include a part where you can lose her loyalty, so there's a chance Kasumi will survive holding the line when she's loyal.

If your hold the line team is weak but mixed with loyals and non-loyals, you can have up to 3 non-loyals die holding the line. The problem with Zaeed is that he's really good at holding the line, and has a tendency to survive even non-loyal. Switching Miranda and Garrus might be a problem (I'll go test this out right now, actually) because Garrus is one of the strongest defenders and could make Kasumi/Tali survive.

Also, it still makes sense that Kasumi would be in the engineering room with Legion and Tali during the Normandy's battle scene, since they're all tech experts.

[Ecael]

Vaenier wrote...

You can kill Zaeed during the loyalty mission, right? what happens if he is one of the only 2 left after the suicide mission?

You lose the option again. The game won't let you have one squadmate.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

If you could test out the tali/garrus switch and it works then I would be one happy camper.  If it doesn't work you could try kasumi's loyalty both ways just to see if that achieves the desired result and I will give you like a million paragon points!!

Part of the reason I REALLY want tali there is because it's the strongest emotionally since where the story would be for her at that point is her feeling alone and betrayed, keeping to the engine room since it is the one thing that she has left, having it be the cause of her death would have a layer of irony that I am ALL ABOUT HERE.


Here's one: What if GARRUS escorts the crew back, and a loyal mordin, non loyal/loyal kasumi, and loyal morinth hold the line? Would mordin and morinth have a shot then or would mordin still be first to go?  (probably)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 04:13 .

[Siansonea]

Aw man, I have to have two surviving squadmates? What a bummer. :/ I guess Zaeed is the natural choice, since I don't have Kasumi.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

how do i end up with only humans? prefered all loyal

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

how do i end up with only humans? prefered all loyal

that's racist 
(lol)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 04:11 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

If you could test out the tali/garrus switch and it works then I would be one happy camper.  If it doesn't work you could try kasumi's loyalty both ways just to see if that achieves the desired result and I will give you like a million paragon points!!

Part of the reason I REALLY want tali there is because it's the strongest emotionally since where the story would be for her at that point is her feeling alone and betrayed, keeping to the engine room since it is the one thing that she has left, having it be the cause of her death would have a layer of irony that I am ALL ABOUT HERE.


Here's one: What if GARRUS escorts the crew back, and a loyal mordin, non loyal/loyal kasumi, and loyal morinth hold the line? Would mordin and morinth have a shot then or would mordin still be first to go?  (probably)

Tried both, everyone survived with Garrus in the hold the line team. Also, Mordin would be most likely to die if he were holding the line.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

hmmm from what I'm seeing on youtube (Didn't get a save file at the final boss when I played my last character) the second character you assign to your group ends up being the one you catch I think. (great if i can make sure miranda grabs shep's hand at the end during the big dramatic moment)


Is there any way to know who will be in the ship to pull you up or is it just random? Also it won't **** up the ending having one of the final boss squads die and have shepard die too since he'll still have 3 living squadmates onboard already right?

Edit: Damn so a non loyal kasumi will still stay alive with garrus and morinth?  (I heard that the threshold for survival gets tighter on insanity.  would that help?)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 04:27 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

how do i end up with only humans? prefered all loyal

that's racist 
(lol)

Shanra asked the same thing on Page 8:
http://social.biowar...65725/8#1386191

If you want to include Kasumi, just have her loyal and with the hold the line team.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Damn so she survives loyal or not? Even on Insanity? Well that's about as good as it can get I guess unless Kasumi can die in her own loyalty mission after beating the game like zaeed can....if a non loyal kasumi escorts the hostages mordin still won't make it out of the hold the line group with garrus and morinth will he? At least I can get that big dramatic run with shep and miranda duo at the end...(pretty ****ing good ending though I gotta say it's probably the most dramatic combination)  Thanks for your help you have given me a shot at a PERFECT MIDDLE OF THE ROAD playthrough that hits as MANY dramatic notes both p- AND r-  thank you very much I now know what to do for my "best shepard"  

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 17 mars 2010 - 04:39 .