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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

sprankton89 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

sprankton89 wrote...

Id like to know the fastest
playthrough setup to see Shepard die. (I dont have the Kasumi DLC btw)
Thanks!

Seeing as you didn't mention not having Zaeed, I
am going to 'assuming direct control' that you have.

Ok this is
real simple, kind of similar to the playthrough Doctor_Jackstraw mentioned albeit with less people.

Do the initial set of dossiers and recruit Zaeed.

Post-Horizon, recruit Thane (you can recruit one of the other 2 if you want, but I believe his is the shortest (less fiddly) recruitment of the 3).

Do the following N7 missions
N7: Bloodpack Base - Need to get starmap for 'The Shrike Abyssal'
N7: MSV Estevanico
N7: Imminent Ship Crash - Get starmap for 'Pylos Nebula' and soon as you got it this mission will show up on the map.
The Lost Operative You get this quest automatically after completing first mission after getting normandy back but leave it till post-horizon

I believe the above to be some of the shortest N7 missions. Once done all these and got Thane you should unlock the 'Derelict Collector Ship' Mission, do that then go straight to the IFF for Legion. Send Legion back to Cerberus (he isn't needed and just adds a body to the mess).

After the IFF mission go do Thane and Garrus loyalty missions (best to recruit Thane before doing the N7 missions to ensure his loyalty mission unlocks), reason for doing this is because they are both on the citadel so no flying about and both relatively short (well Thane's is), so once they are done, go try visit somewhere else and you should unlock the Abduction sequence (if not, go do another N7 mission). After this, go through the relay.

Ok as you got no upgrades the following should happen.
Armor - Jack (it's always Jack)
Shields - Thane (because you haven't got Kasumi, Legion or Tali)
Cannon - Garrus (because Thane died at shields)

So you now hit the ground with just non-loyal Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Grunt, Jack and Zaeed
Vents - Mordin
Escort - Jack
Diversion - Grunt (Just to see the miracle that is the poor diversion leader surviving due to needing 3 squadmates in the 3rd stage)
Biotic - Jacob
Biotic Swarm - Zaeed (Take Miranda as other squadmate to ensure Zaeed dies)
Final Battle - Grunt and Jacob
Door Defence - Miranda
End result everyone dead and no one to save Shepherd (seeing as Joker doesn't have the strength to lift him up AND provide covering fire at same time).

Thanks a lot bro-dude! Im gonna try it. But what if i dont let Grunt out?
EDIT: I just noticed a mistake. You said Jack should die before landing due to lack of armor plating but also said to use her as escort... ??? 

I've been getting real sloppy lately with squaddies hehe

Yeah, basically with just 8 squad and 3 dead before landing, you won't have enough people to provide an escort, so you'll most likely not get the option to state you'll send someone back. So just ignore the part where I said to use Jack as escort

[Ecael]

I've been rather busy for a while, and also working on another ME1 playthrough at the same time. I still needed to change some things that I didn't get around to doing until the Kasumi DLC was released.

After Virmire:
-Killed Captain Kirrahe quickly by ignoring the Communications Tower, Satellite Uplink Tower and Geth Flyers
-Had my MaleShep romance Liara and Ashley, signaled Ashley to kill Wrex (Wrex: You bastard...), and then left her on Virmire
-Didn't let Saren redeem himself, just killed him both times

Kaidan (or Ashley) start giving the commands once Kirrahe is dead, which resulted in dialogue I've never heard before. Commander Rentola also has something to say if Kirrahe dies.

For Mass Effect 2, I plan on making this Shep an even worse of a cheating douchebag by cheating on Liara with Jack and/or Tali, and then have them both killed in the suicide mission. I also had Conrad Verner survive (persuaded him with Renegade) so I can get him killed in the next game.

Anyone know the worst possible romance situation to get into for Mass Effect 2?

[minormiracle]

If you only have one NPC alive after the Reaper you'll still fall, even if that party member was there at the last fight, was loyal, and made the jump right before you. It actually gave me a fanfic idea to write about the aftermath from Miranda's perspective, after she became smitten by Shepard and pleaded for him to promise he'd live through the mission, yet failed to pull him up. The emotion I probably should be evoking is angst, but I'm personally feeling glee more than anything else.

[instantdeath999]

Ecael wrote...

I've been rather busy for a while, and also working on another ME1 playthrough at the same time. I still needed to change some things that I didn't get around to doing until the Kasumi DLC was released.

After Virmire:
-Killed Captain Kirrahe quickly by ignoring the Communications Tower, Satellite Uplink Tower and Geth Flyers
-Had my MaleShep romance Liara and Ashley, signaled Ashley to kill Wrex (Wrex: You bastard...), and then left her on Virmire
-Didn't let Saren redeem himself, just killed him both times

Kaidan (or Ashley) start giving the commands once Kirrahe is dead, which resulted in dialogue I've never heard before. Commander Rentola also has something to say if Kirrahe dies.

For Mass Effect 2, I plan on making this Shep an even worse of a cheating douchebag by cheating on Liara with Jack and/or Tali, and then have them both killed in the suicide mission. I also had Conrad Verner survive (persuaded him with Renegade) so I can get him killed in the next game.

Anyone know the worst possible romance situation to get into for Mass Effect 2?

Haha, I did something a bit similar in ME1 with one of my characters, choosing Ashley over Liara and leaving her to die, but that's only because I didn't want Shepard to have a romance in ME1.

Oh, and have you figured out a way to complete every loyalty mission (allowing for certain ones, like Samara, Thane or Tali to fail), including Kasumi, yet still have every character (including Shepard) die?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

Anyone know the worst possible romance situation to get into for Mass Effect 2?

I don't think any of us will be able to confirm that until ME3 is out and we can find out just what they had in store for people who 'cheated', it would be intriguing to see if it records if you have LI situation with multiple people in ME2 and whether that bears relevance. I would imagine having one of the ME2 LI that your attached to will have more relevance than having all 3 dead.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

-Didn't let Saren redeem himself, just killed him both times

...

Anyone know the worst possible romance situation to get into for Mass Effect 2?

You think Saren's redemption is logged somewhere?

...

Don't know about the worst possible romance situation, but if I were Casey Hudson I'd order to deal with romantic subplots as follows (thank God I am not Casey Hudson, but still I'm interested in your opinion):

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And romance subplots being subplots, it's unnecessary to pit ME1 LIs against ME2 LIs on the same Normandy, or whatever the ship Joker will fly...

That's how I think it will play out:

ME1 LIs get recruited and provided there was no cheating on them, they quickly fall back in love with Shepard, who can accept that with joy, or tell them "sorry, darling, I have moved on".

If there was cheating, the ME1 LI gets indignant: "Son of a **** you cheated!" Now, Shepard has to re-conquer the LI, or, yet again tell them he did move on.

Then, towards the end of the game, ME2 LIs (if alive) cameo and aside from other important business behind each particular cameo, Shepard can either confirm the romantic involvement, or tell them he moved on, resulting in a happy or indignant character.

And finally, there are Kelly, Gianna and Shiala, that may win Shepard's eventual favor over both ME1 and ME2 LIs.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 12:19 .

[Ecael]

instantdeath999 wrote...

Oh, and have you figured out a way to complete every loyalty mission (allowing for certain ones, like Samara, Thane or Tali to fail), including Kasumi, yet still have every character (including Shepard) die?

I'm not sure it's possible to do that, since Kasumi's loyalty mission guarantees her loyalty. That gives you just enough loyals by the end (Mordin and Kasumi, the two weakest loyals) that Shepard will still survive regardless of how you arrange the final boss and hold the line team.

I was hoping that it would be possible to fail Kasumi's mission, but so far it isn't possible.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I don't think any of us will be able to confirm that until ME3 is out and we can find out just what they had in store for people who 'cheated', it would be intriguing to see if it records if you have LI situation with multiple people in ME2 and whether that bears relevance. I would imagine having one of the ME2 LI that your attached to will have more relevance than having all 3 dead.

That's a good point. It's too bad Shepard can't romance Morinth without having to mind-meld.

Modifié par Ecael, 15 avril 2010 - 12:20 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

okay so you can lose 3 on the ship, 3 to bad choices, and 3 to being unloyal, that leaves 3 for hold the line.

You can finish every loyalty mission while losing 3-5 loyalties.  Miranda/Jack arguement, Zaeed's mission, Tali/Legion fight or failing Tali's mission, failing Samara's mission, and failing Thane's mission.

So let's go with Miranda, and Zaeed as our unloyals ...I have no easy way to test this so this is all on assumed knowledge...

No upgrades, all missions completed, lost miranda and zaeed's loyalty.

• Jack lasered, Legion incinerated (bring tali/kasumi into occulus battle), Thane impaled
• Jacob dies in vents
• Miranda as bubble, bring Samara/Morinth and Garrus, get Garrus killed
• Grunt dies as distraction team
• Zaeed dies as escort
• Mordin, Tali, Kasumi die holding the line, lose Tali's loyalty in the conflict or the court case to weaken this team to be sure
• Miranda dies at final boss, you can lose samara's loyalty so she dies too but even if samara/morinth make it to the ship with you they won't save you since you'll only have one survivor, Shepard will still die

That should do it.  (not 100% on the hold the line team or how to make sure garrus is carried off by swarms)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 15 avril 2010 - 11:22 .

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

[*]Mordin, Tali, Kasumi die holding the line

If Mordin and Kasumi are loyal, then both of them will survive and leave Tali behind.

I'm not sure if it's possible to kill more than 1 or 2 people holding the line if any of them are loyal.

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

You think Saren's redemption is logged somewhere?

Not really, I simply think he doesn't deserve a redemption. All the significant plot flags are in Gibbed's Save Editor, aren't they?

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And romance subplots being subplots, it's unnecessary to pit ME1 LIs against ME2 LIs on the same Normandy, or whatever the ship Joker will fly...

That's how I think it will play out:

ME1 LIs get recruited and provided there was no cheating on them, they quickly fall back in love with Shepard, who can accept that with joy, or tell them "sorry, darling, I have moved on".

If there was cheating, the ME1 LI gets indignant: "Son of a **** you cheated!" Now, Shepard has to re-conquer the LI, or, yet again tell them he did move on.

Then, towards the end of the game, ME2 LIs (if alive) cameo and aside from other important business behind each particular cameo, Shepard can either confirm the romantic involvement, or tell them he moved on, resulting in a happy or indignant character.

And finally, there are Kelly, Gianna and Shiala, that may win Shepard's eventual favor over both ME1 and ME2 LIs.

Kelly, Gianna and Shiala are all capable of dying, though. Since they haven't played a major role other than a side quest or side interest, they should not appear next game (according to your standards).

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

You think Saren's redemption is logged somewhere?

Not really, I simply think he doesn't deserve a redemption. All the significant plot flags are in Gibbed's Save Editor, aren't they?

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And romance subplots being subplots, it's unnecessary to pit ME1 LIs against ME2 LIs on the same Normandy, or whatever the ship Joker will fly...

That's how I think it will play out:

ME1 LIs get recruited and provided there was no cheating on them, they quickly fall back in love with Shepard, who can accept that with joy, or tell them "sorry, darling, I have moved on".

If there was cheating, the ME1 LI gets indignant: "Son of a **** you cheated!" Now, Shepard has to re-conquer the LI, or, yet again tell them he did move on.

Then, towards the end of the game, ME2 LIs (if alive) cameo and aside from other important business behind each particular cameo, Shepard can either confirm the romantic involvement, or tell them he moved on, resulting in a happy or indignant character.

And finally, there are Kelly, Gianna and Shiala, that may win Shepard's eventual favor over both ME1 and ME2 LIs.

Kelly, Gianna and Shiala are all capable of dying, though. Since they haven't played a major role other than a side quest or side interest, they should not appear next game (according to your standards).

[Sigh.] That's true. At least I want Gianna's photo on my desk in the cabin!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 avril 2010 - 11:00 .

[DrAbysmal]

I have a run where all squad members were loyal and all three ship upgrades were purchased and I've been trying to find how many people can be killed purely through idiotic decisions made by Shepard during the final mission. So far, the max seems to be five - Thane died as tech specialist, Garrus was carried off by seekers, Grunt bit a bullet, sent Zaeed back with the crew. Took Jacob and Legion to the boss. The idea was to get pretty much all of the heavy hitters out of the picture for holding the line. Only Mordin and Tali die there, I was hoping for Kasumi to go down as well but I think there's just too many people left at that point.



Is there any room for "improvement" here?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

DrAbysmal wrote...

I have a run where all squad members were loyal and all three ship upgrades were purchased and I've been trying to find how many people can be killed purely through idiotic decisions made by Shepard during the final mission. So far, the max seems to be five - Thane died as tech specialist, Garrus was carried off by seekers, Grunt bit a bullet, sent Zaeed back with the crew. Took Jacob and Legion to the boss. The idea was to get pretty much all of the heavy hitters out of the picture for holding the line. Only Mordin and Tali die there, I was hoping for Kasumi to go down as well but I think there's just too many people left at that point.

Is there any room for "improvement" here?

If everyone loyal, Zaeed can't have died as escort unless you had some freaky glitch.

As for the question...

Nope, with all squadmates available, loyal and all ship upgrades done the most you would be looking at is 4-5 as I don't believe you can have more than 2 die on door defence if you've got people loyal even if you have mostly squishies on door defence.

Best way to get the heavy hitters killed off would be send Garrus vents, Zaeed as squadmate with Miranda whilst using Jacob or Thane as Biotic (Zaeed will get swarmed) and Grunt as diversion leader as you did. You'll probably still only lose Tali and Mordin on door defence though.

[sprankton89]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

sprankton89 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

sprankton89 wrote...

Id like to know the fastest
playthrough setup to see Shepard die. (I dont have the Kasumi DLC btw)
Thanks!

Seeing as you didn't mention not having Zaeed, I
am going to 'assuming direct control' that you have.

Ok this is
real simple, kind of similar to the playthrough Doctor_Jackstraw mentioned albeit with less people.

Do the initial set of dossiers and recruit Zaeed.

Post-Horizon, recruit Thane (you can recruit one of the other 2 if you want, but I believe his is the shortest (less fiddly) recruitment of the 3).

Do the following N7 missions
N7: Bloodpack Base - Need to get starmap for 'The Shrike Abyssal'
N7: MSV Estevanico
N7: Imminent Ship Crash - Get starmap for 'Pylos Nebula' and soon as you got it this mission will show up on the map.
The Lost Operative You get this quest automatically after completing first mission after getting normandy back but leave it till post-horizon

I believe the above to be some of the shortest N7 missions. Once done all these and got Thane you should unlock the 'Derelict Collector Ship' Mission, do that then go straight to the IFF for Legion. Send Legion back to Cerberus (he isn't needed and just adds a body to the mess).

After the IFF mission go do Thane and Garrus loyalty missions (best to recruit Thane before doing the N7 missions to ensure his loyalty mission unlocks), reason for doing this is because they are both on the citadel so no flying about and both relatively short (well Thane's is), so once they are done, go try visit somewhere else and you should unlock the Abduction sequence (if not, go do another N7 mission). After this, go through the relay.

Ok as you got no upgrades the following should happen.
Armor - Jack (it's always Jack)
Shields - Thane (because you haven't got Kasumi, Legion or Tali)
Cannon - Garrus (because Thane died at shields)

So you now hit the ground with just non-loyal Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Grunt, Jack and Zaeed
Vents - Mordin
Escort - Jack
Diversion - Grunt (Just to see the miracle that is the poor diversion leader surviving due to needing 3 squadmates in the 3rd stage)
Biotic - Jacob
Biotic Swarm - Zaeed (Take Miranda as other squadmate to ensure Zaeed dies)
Final Battle - Grunt and Jacob
Door Defence - Miranda
End result everyone dead and no one to save Shepherd (seeing as Joker doesn't have the strength to lift him up AND provide covering fire at same time).

Thanks a lot bro-dude! Im gonna try it. But what if i dont let Grunt out?
EDIT: I just noticed a mistake. You said Jack should die before landing due to lack of armor plating but also said to use her as escort... ??? 

I've been getting real sloppy lately with squaddies hehe

Yeah, basically with just 8 squad and 3 dead before landing, you won't have enough people to provide an escort, so you'll most likely not get the option to state you'll send someone back. So just ignore the part where I said to use Jack as escort

Thanks i just finished this run last night. Jack didnt die from not having the armor upgrade tho which i was confused about. But she did die as the escort. So at the end only Shepard was alive and he fell. So joker was the one talking to the Illusive Man which was kind of cool to watch. Thanks for the help!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Hmm interesting bout Jack surviving the armor part. Did Thane and Garrus die in the shields and cannon parts? Also did anyone else die in Jack's place due to no armor upgrade?



Glad it worked out in the end though

[smudboy]

There are completionists...

And then there are morbid completionists.

[Ecael]

sprankton89 wrote...

Thanks i just finished this run last night. Jack didnt die from not having the armor upgrade tho which i was confused about. But she did die as the escort. So at the end only Shepard was alive and he fell. So joker was the one talking to the Illusive Man which was kind of cool to watch. Thanks for the help!

You might have accidentally purchased the armor (Silaris Armor) without noticing it.

Glad to see that your dead Shepard playthrough worked out in the end though.

[themastakillah]

it is possible to have only Zaeed and Kasumi alive and let the rest of the squad die?

my last suicide mission ended like this:

[Rogue Eagle]

question: if you do anything after the suicide mission/endcredits how do you get the game to 'save' that progress in your export file?

[themastakillah]

^^^^ u do nothin..its all saved in the 'save' file. so every time u save after u finish the game it will automatically save ure character... i think....

btw its so hard to kill Solus, he just dont wanna die..

[Onyx Jaguar]

Do you keep bringing him to the final battle?

[themastakillah]

no i let him in the distraction team but its so random...

Modifié par themastakillah, 21 avril 2010 - 02:02 .

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

no i let him in the distraction team but its so random...

Is Zaeed in the distraction team as well?

[Brako Shepard]

I didn't even know you could recruit Morinith or what ever she is called. Is that a renagade choice or something?

[Ecael]

Brako Shepard wrote...

I didn't even know you could recruit Morinith or what ever she is called. Is that a renagade choice or something?

I think it's available for people who are straight Paragon or straight Renegade. If you resist all three indoctrination attempts, you're given the choice of saving Morinth instead of Samara.