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[themastakillah]

yup...on the last part of mission i got alive:

- Tali not loyal

- Miri not loyal

- Zaeed loyal

- Kasumi loyal

- Mordin loyal

so i bring Tali and Miranda with me (both die) and let Zaeed, Kasumi and Mordin to HTL.

if i bring Zaeed with me and let Tali to HTL, the quarian die and Solus remains alive....

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

yup...on the last part of mission i got alive:
- Tali not loyal
- Miri not loyal
- Zaeed loyal
- Kasumi loyal
- Mordin loyal
so i bring Tali and Miranda with me (both die) and let Zaeed, Kasumi and Mordin to HTL.
if i bring Zaeed with me and let Tali to HTL, the quarian die and Solus remains alive....

It seems that keeping both DLC characters alive has a weird influence on the others surviving.

Did you send an escort? Sending loyal Kasumi to successfully escort the crew would leave Mordin and Tali holding the line, and they should die considering how weak they are defensively.

[themastakillah]

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

yup...on the last part of mission i got alive:
- Tali not loyal
- Miri not loyal
- Zaeed loyal
- Kasumi loyal
- Mordin loyal
so i bring Tali and Miranda with me (both die) and let Zaeed, Kasumi and Mordin to HTL.
if i bring Zaeed with me and let Tali to HTL, the quarian die and Solus remains alive....

It seems that keeping both DLC characters alive has a weird influence on the others surviving.

Did you send an escort? Sending loyal Kasumi to successfully escort the crew would leave Mordin and Tali holding the line, and they should die considering how weak they are defensively.

nah i choose the renegade option so Chakwas died.. but it could be a start..i can try to send Kasumi with Chakwas and take Zaeed and Miranda with me, so technically Miranda should die and i hope Mordin and Tali will die too. so basically if Zaeed doesnt die on me and Kasumi make it alive that should be a win....but i wanted to kill Chakwas too

[themastakillah]

themastakillah wrote...

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

yup...on the last part of mission i got alive:
- Tali not loyal
- Miri not loyal
- Zaeed loyal
- Kasumi loyal
- Mordin loyal
so i bring Tali and Miranda with me (both die) and let Zaeed, Kasumi and Mordin to HTL.
if i bring Zaeed with me and let Tali to HTL, the quarian die and Solus remains alive....

It seems that keeping both DLC characters alive has a weird influence on the others surviving.

Did you send an escort? Sending loyal Kasumi to successfully escort the crew would leave Mordin and Tali holding the line, and they should die considering how weak they are defensively.

nah i choose the renegade option so Chakwas died.. but it could be a start..i can try to send Kasumi with Chakwas and take Zaeed and Miranda with me, so technically Miranda should die and i hope Mordin and Tali will die too. so basically if Zaeed doesnt die on me and Kasumi make it alive that should be a win....but i wanted to kill Chakwas too

sry for bumpin this topic...
i tried to do this and it didnt work..i mean Mordin its the most useless character for the suicide mission and yet tuffest to kill on HTL..i tried:
on HTL:
Mordin + Tali - Tali dies Mordin alive.
Mordin + Miranda - Miranda dies Mordin still alive.
Mordin + Zaeed + Kasumi - Mordin alive.
and infinite combos i dont even remember and nothing...pffffffff..

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

sry for bumpin this topic...
i tried to do this and it didnt work..i mean Mordin its the most useless character for the suicide mission and yet tuffest to kill on HTL..i tried:
on HTL:
Mordin + Tali - Tali dies Mordin alive.
Mordin + Miranda - Miranda dies Mordin still alive.
Mordin + Zaeed + Kasumi - Mordin alive.
and infinite combos i dont even remember and nothing...pffffffff..

There's something suspicious going on here. On any other playthrough that doesn't involve saving both DLC characters, loyal Mordin and non-loyal Tali are practically guaranteed to die at the line. The fact that Mordin survived holding the line all by himself after Tali died goes against all logic.

I'm starting to think that Zaeed and Kasumi do not count as full squadmates... almost as if they're given a value of 0.99999999 instead of 1. That means when only those survive, it's not enough to meet the requirement of 2 characters (Zaeed/Kasumi would be 1.999999999998~) so it forces the third squadmate to survive.

Since 3 squadmates are required to continue to the final boss (two for Shepard, one for hold the line), this situation is guaranteed if Zaeed and Kasumi are 2 of the 3. Either that, or both Zaeed and Kasumi die, and Shepard dies with them.

Thus, the question is...

Does BioWare not want people to import a game with only Zaeed and Kasumi surviving?

Modifié par Ecael, 22 avril 2010 - 03:24 .

[Steel Dancer]

Ecael wrote...

Thus, the question is...

Does BioWare not want people to import a game with only Zaeed and Kasumi surviving?

That would make sense actually. It would prevent a theoretical "broken" save import into ME3 consisting of two characters who only exist as DLC.

Edit: Clarification. There's be at least on character from the base game, no "day one/cerberus network only" conflicts they might have planned/conceived for ME3 (reeeeeeaching there, but still...).

Modifié par Steel Dancer, 22 avril 2010 - 03:37 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ecael, have you tried working out a Kasumi & Zaeed only survive but
with everyones loyalty mission done playthrough yet?



Only way I can figure it is possible is by doing the following and it is taking a bit
of a gamble I think.

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Kasumi and Zaeed
-----------------

Loyals: Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi, Thane, Jack, Legion, Miranda, Tali, Samara
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Tali (either by handing evidence over or by siding with Legion)
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: All, some or just Dr.Chakwas (player choice)
Before the Omega-4 Relay
- Side with Jack during the Jack/Miranda argument
- Either hand evidence over during Tali Loyalty mission or side with Legion during the Tali/Legion argument
- Do side missions after crew abduction if you want some or all of the crew to die (except Chakwas)
- Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Tali or Mordin and Garrus, make sure Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Samara (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Tali and Miranda
Distraction Team - Zaeed, Kasumi, Mordin (hopefully only Mordin dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, gets lasered
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapons Upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Samara - Died escorting the crew
Tali - Died after final battle
Miranda - Died after final battle
Mordin - Died holding the line

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Kasumi and Zaeed (DLC power!)
-----------------

Gamble is of course on Kasumi surviving the HtL section seeing as noticed couple of weeks ago you said you managed to get 3 people killed off whilst they HtL.

Am also going to try that 'women power' playthrough but with a slight difference in that Legion is going to be sent back to Cerberus so will need to make some alterations to take that into account.

With the previous comments, I got to ask, has anyone actually tried this playthrough I worked out yet?

I've not got round to it but could easily run through it tomorrow to test out the theory. I could even alter the above playthrough so that the only ones loyal are Kasumi and Zaeed and thus swap Zaeed and Kasumi with Tali and Miranda whom should definitly die with Mordin with them all being non loyal.

[Ecael]

Masta's saying that no matter what he does, Mordin still survives.

I'm not sure non-loyal Mordin will make a difference, but it's worth a shot.

[themastakillah]

^^^ theres an error. Samara cant be both(loyal/not loyal)

and it will not work. if u read my post i already tried Zaeed+Kasumi+Mordin - HTL and Mordin will survive.

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

^^^ theres an error. Samara cant be both(loyal/not loyal)
and it will not work. if u read my post i already tried Zaeed+Kasumi+Mordin - HTL and Mordin will survive.

I already corrected him on the loyal/non-loyal list of squadmates.

[themastakillah]

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

^^^ theres an error. Samara cant be both(loyal/not loyal)
and it will not work. if u read my post i already tried Zaeed+Kasumi+Mordin - HTL and Mordin will survive.

I already corrected him on the loyal/non-loyal list of squadmates.

is that Jentha in ure avatar or a-look-a-like.? looks hot!
can u pm the facecode(if is not Jentha). thx

btw: the 'only' solution is to avoid Mordins loyality mission and see what happens...

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

^^^ theres an error. Samara cant be both(loyal/not loyal)
and it will not work. if u read my post i already tried Zaeed+Kasumi+Mordin - HTL and Mordin will survive.

I already corrected him on the loyal/non-loyal list of squadmates.

is that Jentha in ure avatar or a-look-a-like.? looks hot!
can u pm the facecode(if is not Jentha). thx

btw: the 'only' solution is to avoid Mordins loyality mission and see what happens...

Yes, it's Jentha.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

Ecael wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

^^^ theres an error. Samara cant be both(loyal/not loyal)
and it will not work. if u read my post i already tried Zaeed+Kasumi+Mordin - HTL and Mordin will survive.

I already corrected him on the loyal/non-loyal list of squadmates.

is that Jentha in ure avatar or a-look-a-like.? looks hot!
can u pm the facecode(if is not Jentha). thx

btw: the 'only' solution is to avoid Mordins loyality mission and see what happens...

Yes, it's Jentha.

Can you somehow avoid killing her?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 22 avril 2010 - 05:35 .

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, so... you can't do anything with Kasumi beside sending her on a team with a capable leader?

[Zulu_DFA]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Wait, so... you can't do anything with Kasumi beside sending her on a team with a capable leader?

Kasumi seems to be meant more for post "suicide mission" playing.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Kasumi seems to be meant more for post "suicide mission" playing.

So... she's great for everything but the whole point of the game.

That just might be the funniest character template ever.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 22 avril 2010 - 05:44 .

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Can you somehow avoid killing her?

Well... you could elbow her to the ground and pretend you didn't kill her?

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Wait, so... you can't do anything with Kasumi beside sending her on a team with a capable leader?

What do you mean?

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Can you somehow avoid killing her?

Well... you could elbow her to the ground and pretend you didn't kill her?

Maybe shoot down Tarak-Gunship real fast... Or you have to finish the mercs anyway?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ecael wrote...

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Wait, so... you can't do anything with Kasumi beside sending her on a team with a capable leader?

What do you mean?

Haven't had time to go through the whole thing and haven't done the suicide mission with Kasumi.  From what I did read, she can't lead a team (obviously), pull off a tech assignment (fair enough), hold the line (...?).  Not so sure about the escort, but I was planning on sending Mordin.

So I'm literally asking where you can send her and still have everyone else survive.

[Ecael]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Ecael wrote...

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Wait, so... you can't do anything with Kasumi beside sending her on a team with a capable leader?

What do you mean?

Haven't had time to go through the whole thing and haven't done the suicide mission with Kasumi.  From what I did read, she can't lead a team (obviously), pull off a tech assignment (fair enough), hold the line (...?).  Not so sure about the escort, but I was planning on sending Mordin.

So I'm literally asking where you can send her and still have everyone else survive.

Any selectable loyal can escort, and Kasumi can be tech.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What about holding the line?



If I recall, the game adds up a defensive rating based on each character. I figure assigning the job to heavy-hitters like Grunt and Zaeed would keep the others safe.

[themastakillah]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

What about holding the line?

If I recall, the game adds up a defensive rating based on each character. I figure assigning the job to heavy-hitters like Grunt and Zaeed would keep the others safe.

its true but also very random.
on my first playthrough i had everybody loyal( - Kasumi because the dlc wasnt out yet). i had Garrus and Zaeed with me on the final boss and let everybody to HTL(Tali/Thane/Grunt/Miranda/Samara/Legion/Jacob/Jack/Mordin -all loyals). and still Mordin died on me...lol...
yesterday i was trying to kill him and i didnt succeed...i left Mordin(loyal) and Tali(not loyal) to HTL and tali died and Mordin survived... it doesnt make any sense to me... i know how it works - the diffensive rating and all that but realistically speaking it doesnt make any sense.

[Ecael]

themastakillah wrote...

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

What about holding the line?

If I recall, the game adds up a defensive rating based on each character. I figure assigning the job to heavy-hitters like Grunt and Zaeed would keep the others safe.

its true but also very random.
on my first playthrough i had everybody loyal( - Kasumi because the dlc wasnt out yet). i had Garrus and Zaeed with me on the final boss and let everybody to HTL(Tali/Thane/Grunt/Miranda/Samara/Legion/Jacob/Jack/Mordin -all loyals). and still Mordin died on me...lol...
yesterday i was trying to kill him and i didnt succeed...i left Mordin(loyal) and Tali(not loyal) to HTL and tali died and Mordin survived... it doesnt make any sense to me... i know how it works - the diffensive rating and all that but realistically speaking it doesnt make any sense.

Apart from defensive rating, the game requires you to survive with 2 squadmates. If you sent an escort back or you have one person survive on the final boss, someone else will automatically survive. If that doesn't happen, then Shepard will die if there's only 1 squadmate available.

Kasumi and Zaeed are the exception here, and together they seem to be treated as 1 squadmate rather than two.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Well I just used 'Jack Shep' to run a quick test run (as will take me longer to get my 'non-loyal' playthrough there as I stupidly upgraded the ship early on). Entered the final battle with just loyal Kasumi, Zaeed and Miranda with an unloyal Tali, left the latter 2 on HtL duty and only Tali died. It ain't as if Miri is protected by her being loyal as I have seen her die whilst loyal before, am still hesistant to believe Zaeed and Kasumi glitch it until I've had the HtL team lined up as non loyal squishies. Should be able to get my everyone non-loyal apart from zaeed and kasumi run done tomorrow (well today as it's now gone 1am where I live lol)

[Cody]

you can start the suicide mission with only 6 or 7 members of your squad. Just after the Horizon mission don't recruit anymore members. Just do N7 missions.



That being said. Would it be possible to only get one member to survive?



For example. I do Miranda's loyalty mission without doing any others. I also don't get any ship upgrades.

I would then have Miranda,Jacob,Jack,Garrus,Zaeed,Mordin (I tried to get by Zaeed on Omega but Wouldn't work :/ once downloaded he is basically forced on ya).



It should go down like this:

Non-upgraded Normandy goes through the omega relay. 3 members die leaving only 4 left. Choose someone who is not fit for hacking the door. That person dies and you have 3 members left. Then I would send someone who is alive with the crew while i choose miranda as the specialist which should result in another members death. So I should have one member alive. (or 2 if I didn't choose an escort) Then it would only be Miranda who would either stay behind or go with shepard. Then in the end the escort should die while trying to help the crew get to the normandy. Or die later after the boss fight.



So I should only have Miranda left alive right? If not then if i take off Zaeed then it should still end that way.



Or will it find a new way to have another member alive?