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[Ecael]

CodyMelch wrote...

you can start the suicide mission with only 6 or 7 members of your squad. Just after the Horizon mission don't recruit anymore members. Just do N7 missions.

That being said. Would it be possible to only get one member to survive?

Are you sure? I don't think it's possible to trigger the Disabled Collector Vessel without recruiting an 8th squad member.

Also, there are people who have managed to get only one squadmate to survive, but that squadmate disappears on the Normandy and causes Shepard to die anyway.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

CodyMelch wrote...

you can start the suicide mission with only 6 or 7 members of your squad. Just after the Horizon mission don't recruit anymore members. Just do N7 missions.

That being said. Would it be possible to only get one member to survive?

For example. I do Miranda's loyalty mission without doing any others. I also don't get any ship upgrades.
I would then have Miranda,Jacob,Jack,Garrus,Zaeed,Mordin (I tried to get by Zaeed on Omega but Wouldn't work :/ once downloaded he is basically forced on ya).

It should go down like this:
Non-upgraded Normandy goes through the omega relay. 3 members die leaving only 4 left. Choose someone who is not fit for hacking the door. That person dies and you have 3 members left. Then I would send someone who is alive with the crew while i choose miranda as the specialist which should result in another members death. So I should have one member alive. (or 2 if I didn't choose an escort) Then it would only be Miranda who would either stay behind or go with shepard. Then in the end the escort should die while trying to help the crew get to the normandy. Or die later after the boss fight.

So I should only have Miranda left alive right? If not then if i take off Zaeed then it should still end that way.

Or will it find a new way to have another member alive?

I think you are confusing yourself here. You need 8 squadmates, Zaeed and Kasumi count as a squadmate each so technically you are correct in stating you don't need to recruit anyone post-horizon. BUT you would need both of those and Grunt released from his pod. It is definitly 8 squadmates required as part of the unlock for the collector ship mission, this has been confirmed by Dusty Everman the Lead Level Designer

Also Zaeed isn't forced upon you. To actually get him recruited you have to speak to him. Speaking to him is not forced upon you, you can walk as close to him as you want, as long as you don't click on him to talk to him you don't have to recruit him at all.

Lastly, as Ecael has stated, 1 squad member alive = dead shepard.

Due to the aforementioned 8 squadmates, your playthrough wouldn't work. Even with 8 you will possibly get stuck. But I'll write down a possible outcome with just 1 loyal squad member (miranda) alive with 8 squadmates (DLC plus 1st set of dossiers).

No armor upgrades
No Armor - Jack dead
No Shield - Kasumi dead (we'll go on the assumption you don't take her to the occulus fight)
No Cannon - Garrus dead
Hit the base with just Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Grunt and Zaeed
Vents - Jacob dead (he did volunteer after all and it will make 2nd stage all the more hilarious)
Hit the bit with the crew with just Miranda, Mordin, Grunt and Zaeed alive
I am going ot guess that the low numbers you won't get option to send someone back with the crew (because there won't be enough people to do so)
Biotic swarm - Grunt swarmed (only biotic = Miranda, we'll assume Grunt got swarmed between him and Mordin)
Diversion Leader - Zaeed will miraculously survive due to needing 3 squadmates alive for the 3rd stage
Final Battle - Miranda and Zaeed
Door Defence - Mordin
End result - SHOULD be that Zaeed is dead due to not being loyal in final battle, Mordin on his own... on door defence dead as a dodo unless miracles happen, Miranda alive but will dive into the ship and not return and Shep will die in due process

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 24 avril 2010 - 11:03 .

[Cody]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

you can start the suicide mission with only 6 or 7 members of your squad. Just after the Horizon mission don't recruit anymore members. Just do N7 missions.

That being said. Would it be possible to only get one member to survive?

For example. I do Miranda's loyalty mission without doing any others. I also don't get any ship upgrades.
I would then have Miranda,Jacob,Jack,Garrus,Zaeed,Mordin (I tried to get by Zaeed on Omega but Wouldn't work :/ once downloaded he is basically forced on ya).

It should go down like this:
Non-upgraded Normandy goes through the omega relay. 3 members die leaving only 4 left. Choose someone who is not fit for hacking the door. That person dies and you have 3 members left. Then I would send someone who is alive with the crew while i choose miranda as the specialist which should result in another members death. So I should have one member alive. (or 2 if I didn't choose an escort) Then it would only be Miranda who would either stay behind or go with shepard. Then in the end the escort should die while trying to help the crew get to the normandy. Or die later after the boss fight.

So I should only have Miranda left alive right? If not then if i take off Zaeed then it should still end that way.

Or will it find a new way to have another member alive?

I think you are confusing yourself here. You need 8 squadmates, Zaeed and Kasumi count as a squadmate each so technically you are correct in stating you don't need to recruit anyone post-horizon. BUT you would need both of those and Grunt released from his pod. It is definitly 8 squadmates required as part of the unlock for the collector ship mission, this has been confirmed by Dusty Everman the Lead Level Designer

Also Zaeed isn't forced upon you. To actually get him recruited you have to speak to him. Speaking to him is not forced upon you, you can walk as close to him as you want, as long as you don't click on him to talk to him you don't have to recruit him at all.

Lastly, as Ecael has stated, 1 squad member alive = dead shepard.

Due to the aforementioned 8 squadmates, your playthrough wouldn't work. Even with 8 you will possibly get stuck. But I'll write down a possible outcome with just 1 loyal squad member (miranda) alive with 8 squadmates (DLC plus 1st set of dossiers).

No armor upgrades
No Armor - Jack dead
No Shield - Kasumi dead (we'll go on the assumption you don't take her to the occulus fight)
No Cannon - Garrus dead
Hit the base with just Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Grunt and Zaeed
Vents - Jacob dead (he did volunteer after all and it will make 2nd stage all the more hilarious)
Hit the bit with the crew with just Miranda, Mordin, Grunt and Zaeed alive
I am going ot guess that the low numbers you won't get option to send someone back with the crew (because there won't be enough people to do so)
Biotic swarm - Grunt swarmed (only biotic = Miranda, we'll assume Grunt got swarmed between him and Mordin)
Diversion Leader - Zaeed will miraculously survive due to needing 3 squadmates alive for the 3rd stage
Final Battle - Miranda and Zaeed
Door Defence - Mordin
End result - SHOULD be that Zaeed is dead due to not being loyal in final battle, Mordin on his own... on door defence dead as a dodo unless miracles happen, Miranda alive but will dive into the ship and not return and Shep will die in due process

Ah okay then. Thanks for the quick reply mate

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Course, I have yet to do said playthrough, although I have had an everyone dies (with just joker, edi and the crew left alive at the end) so am guessing that the rumour of the 'one' abandoning Shep is true.

Still not got round to trying my "Kasumi and Zaeed only survive" playthrough, but looking to do that tomorrow.

Also as I have shown on a previous page in this topic, it is possible to get Shep out alive with no one loyal (did this with all ship upgrades, but considering who is left alive, take 3 from that number and Shep still has a high chance of survival)

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 24 avril 2010 - 11:12 .

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Course, I have yet to do said playthrough, although I have had an everyone dies (with just joker, edi and the crew left alive at the end) so am guessing that the rumour of the 'one' abandoning Shep is true.

Still not got round to trying my "Kasumi and Zaeed only survive" playthrough, but looking to do that tomorrow.

Is that with a non-loyal Mordin, non-loyal Miranda, loyal Kasumi and loyal Zaeed?

I'm still trying to think of a way to get those two to survive with all missions completed.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Course, I have yet to do said playthrough, although I have had an everyone dies (with just joker, edi and the crew left alive at the end) so am guessing that the rumour of the 'one' abandoning Shep is true.

Still not got round to trying my "Kasumi and Zaeed only survive" playthrough, but looking to do that tomorrow.

Is that with a non-loyal Mordin, non-loyal Miranda, loyal Kasumi and loyal Zaeed?

I'm still trying to think of a way to get those two to survive with all missions completed.

Well, I was going to be lazy and just do that yeah, just to confirm whether it really was possible to end it with just them two alive. I would need to use my 'non loyal' playthrough seeing as all the others I've ever got 2 or more of the ship upgrades and all the other squishies loyal at the best possible save points.

With my non-loyal playthrough I've got one literally a mission away from the collector ship mission, with everyone recruited (so can go do Kasumi's mission to get her loyal and get aforementioned mission) go do Zaeed's loyalty mission and then go get IFF and then do 2 missions, abduction and then make the jump.

I did write up a kasumi/zaeed playthrough that I think I quoted on the previous page where I had done all the missions, way I see it the only chance you have of doing that is to ensure no ship upgrades are done because considering Kasumi is one of the 'squishys' it means getting an ending with just 2 out of 12 alive odds get higher because realistically you want to be hitting the 3rd stage with just your squishies on door defence.

The playthrough I created for all missions done heavily gambles on the fact Mordin should still die due to no heavy hitters being on the side and yet Kasumi surviving despite her being high on the list for deaths.

Basically put, the way I see it, to have a playthrough where one of the squishies survives and only one other having done all missions would require some serious work, probably more so than a getting shep killed playthrough. That being said, it is impossible to get Shep killed if you have recruited everyone and done all missions, even if you do no ship upgrades.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 25 avril 2010 - 12:03 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's amazing, OP. You really know how to make a girl cries. lol

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That being said, it is impossible to get Shep killed if you have recruited everyone and done all missions, even if you do no ship upgrades.

Actually, I think this might work -- I haven't tested it officially yet:

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: None, Shepard DEAD
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Kasumi
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Zaeed, Samara
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Chakwas alive (not for long, anyway)

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up the loyalties of Tali, Zaeed and Samara
-Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Garrus and Miranda, Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Zaeed - Died escorting the crew
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line
Kasumi - Died holding the line
Miranda - Died at final boss
Samara - Died at final boss

-----------------
Final Squadmates: None, Shepard DEAD
-----------------

[Tlazolteotl]

Ecael wrote...

Distraction Team - Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all die)

Oh wow. I have to try this just to see how the game describes that.

[Ecael]

EDIT: Wait a second, I think I messed something up in that last playthrough...

Modifié par Ecael, 25 avril 2010 - 01:55 .

[Tlazolteotl]

No big deal ... if I just want to see what happens there, I'm willing to skip a bunch of missions ... possibly having all 3 unloyal.

[Ecael]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

No big deal ... if I just want to see what happens there, I'm willing to skip a bunch of missions ... possibly having all 3 unloyal.

I'm making sure that loyal Mordin, loyal Kasumi and non-loyal Tali actually die in that case, though.

It's fun to screw up as much as possible.

:innocent:

EDIT: Ok, they died.

Modifié par Ecael, 25 avril 2010 - 02:04 .

[Tlazolteotl]

There's that ... but if I just want to see 1 thing at the suicide mission, I'm not about to waste a bunch of hours playing those loyalty missions ...

Although, I might just do Kasumi's and Mordin's. Want to do Kasumi's 'cos I'm still unfamiliar with the mission, so the practice will be nice .. so might as well do Mordin's to see if L-Mordin + L-Kasumi + UL-Tali = 3 deaths.

Edit:
Well, since you already confirmed that it's 3 deaths, I'll just go with 3 unloyals.

Modifié par Tlazolteotl, 25 avril 2010 - 02:05 .

[Ecael]

You can actually kill 4 at the hold the line - Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all unloyal):



Only 3 are visible though.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Would a hold the line team of Mordin (Loyal), Tali (Un-Loyal), and Morinth (Loyal) result in Tali and Mordin's deaths?  Also would they both be in the death shot?

I think i remember someone saying that Mordin, Kasumi, and Morinth all loyal would only result in mordin's death..

What about Mordin, Kasumi, Disloyal Tali, and Morinth?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Ecael wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That being said, it is impossible to get Shep killed if you have recruited everyone and done all missions, even if you do no ship upgrades.

Actually, I think this might work -- I haven't tested it officially yet:

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: None, Shepard DEAD
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Kasumi
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Zaeed, Samara
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Chakwas alive (not for long, anyway)

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up the loyalties of Tali, Zaeed and Samara
-Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Garrus and Miranda, Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all die)
-----------------[/color]

I think if you make miranda your biotic you can still finish samara's loyalty mission (getting morinth) and still end up with a dead shepard (11 deaths = shepard dies, just make sure you take morinth or garrus with you to the boss with miranda, throw miranda on bubble earlier with morinth and garrus and one of the two will die (probably garrus)

[themastakillah]

so... has anyone succeed in keeping only Kasumi and Zaeed alive.?. im gonna try this one more time without Mordin's loyalty mission(but not very soon). hoping that an unloyal Tali + unloyal Mordin = death of both.

[PseudoEthnic]

Ecael wrote...

You can actually kill 4 at the hold the line - Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all unloyal):



Only 3 are visible though.

Picture is not showing up.

I'm going to try the mission with all the ship upgrades, but no one loyal. I'll feel terrible about it, but then I'll just switch to my canon playthrough and cuddle with Tali to make me forget about it. =)

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Would a hold the line team of Mordin (Loyal), Tali (Un-Loyal), and Morinth (Loyal) result in Tali and Mordin's deaths?  Also would they both be in the death shot?

I think i remember someone saying that Mordin, Kasumi, and Morinth all loyal would only result in mordin's death..

What about Mordin, Kasumi, Disloyal Tali, and Morinth?

In bottom scenario, Tali is definitly a gonna, Mordin might be as well.

Regarding the middle option, add Jack into the mix and yeah Mordin will be the only death. I've got an upcoming playthrough where I intend for the distraction team to compromise of Morinth, Kasumi, Jack and Mordin and Mordin only death as part of playthrough being that only the women survive (Miranda and Tali being the final battle squadmates). I have actually tested the door defence team in another playthrough as didn't want to get to the 'women power' playthrough and find it wasn't possible and I can confirm that if you have Morinth, Kasumi, Jack and Mordin all loyal, only Mordin will die.

Course as I've almost proven already, it is possible to go into the suicide mission with no one loyal, no upgrades done and still have Shep come out alive.

Below is my assumption of what the ME3 'Default Shep' playthrough would entail.

No Ship upgrades because 'Default Shep' doesn't do side stuff
'Default Shep' does right side neutral/bottom right choices in conversations so following would occur on loyalty missions
Loyal Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Mordin, Grunt Thane
Non-Loyal Jack (due to siding with Miranda), Tali (due to handing evidence in), Samara (due to bodging up loyalty mission)
Legion sent to Cerberus
Crew All dead as mission comes first (even though virtually all dead but chakwas before getting to base)
Armor Jack lasered
Shields Tali incinerated
Cannon Thane impaled
Vents Jacob shot to the head
Biotic Samara
Biotic swarmed Grunt (picking squadmates from right to left, it would mean Grunt and Miranda are picked)
Diversion leader Garrus (survives)
Final Battle Miranda and Garrus (both live)
Door Defence Mordin and Samara (can't see either surviving due to Mordin being top squishy and Samara being non-loyal)

Survivors Shepard, Miranda, Garrus, Joker and EDI

Leaving 'ME3 Default Shep' 3 potential LIs for ME3, collector base saved, original council dead, wrex dead, rachni queen killed, udina as main councillor, heretic geth still on the loose, morinth still out there killing people, 'The Observer' still alive.

This is just an assumption using the ME2 default shep as basis.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's just crazy, guys. I can't believe what I'm reading here. lol

[Ecael]

Updated the main post with the link to the Shepard dies playthrough (and also removed the tidbit about a cure Thane DLC).

[insochris]

Ecael wrote...

You can actually kill 4 at the hold the line - Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, Tali (all unloyal):



Only 3 are visible though.

i think it's because DLC characters don't show up. my first all out suicide playthrough ended with Zaeed being the only one at the rear door, his corpse wasn't shown, but it still did the camera pan, with Joker's "no one made it" line.

i haven't read the whole thread (i think), so apologies if that has been brought up already.

[PseudoEthnic]

I just tried this thing out with having no one loyal except Tali(couldn't risk it with her), and I only lost five people. The remaining members were: Tali, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Jack, and Legion.

[Ecael]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

I just tried this thing out with having no one loyal except Tali(couldn't risk it with her), and I only lost five people. The remaining members were: Tali, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Jack, and Legion.

Which squadmates did you want to survive?

[PseudoEthnic]

Ecael wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

I just tried this thing out with having no one loyal except Tali(couldn't risk it with her), and I only lost five people. The remaining members were: Tali, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Jack, and Legion.

Which squadmates did you want to survive?

I got all the squadmates I needed. I would have switched Jack for Thane, but the game is random with how people died. Other than that, all my favorite characters lived. =)

Modifié par PseudoEthnic, 26 avril 2010 - 02:27 .