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[Ecael]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Ecael wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

I just tried this thing out with having no one loyal except Tali(couldn't risk it with her), and I only lost five people. The remaining members were: Tali, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Jack, and Legion.

Which squadmates did you want to survive?

I got all the squadmates I needed. I would have switched Jack for Thane, but the game is random with how people died. Other than that, all my favorite characters lived. =)

Nice work.



How did Thane die? Do you remember?

[PseudoEthnic]

Ecael wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Ecael wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

I just tried this thing out with having no one loyal except Tali(couldn't risk it with her), and I only lost five people. The remaining members were: Tali, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Jack, and Legion.

Which squadmates did you want to survive?

I got all the squadmates I needed. I would have switched Jack for Thane, but the game is random with how people died. Other than that, all my favorite characters lived. =)

Nice work.



How did Thane die? Do you remember?

Thane got taken by the seeker swarms.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ecael, have you tried working out a Kasumi & Zaeed only survive but
with everyones loyalty mission done playthrough yet?



Only way I can figure it is possible is by doing the following and it is taking a bit
of a gamble I think.

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Kasumi and Zaeed
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Loyals: Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi, Thane, Jack, Legion, Miranda, Tali
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Tali (either by handing evidence over or by siding with Legion)
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: All, some or just Dr.Chakwas (player choice)
Before the Omega-4 Relay
- Side with Jack during the Jack/Miranda argument
- Either hand evidence over during Tali Loyalty mission or side with Legion during the Tali/Legion argument
- Do side missions after crew abduction if you want some or all of the crew to die (except Chakwas)
- Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Tali or Mordin and Garrus, make sure Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Samara (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Tali and Miranda
Distraction Team - Zaeed, Kasumi, Mordin (hopefully only Mordin dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, gets lasered
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapons Upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Samara - Died escorting the crew
Tali - Died after final battle
Miranda - Died after final battle
Mordin - Died holding the line

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Kasumi and Zaeed (DLC power!)
-----------------

Gamble is of course on Kasumi surviving the HtL section seeing as noticed couple of weeks ago you said you managed to get 3 people killed off whilst they HtL.

Am also going to try that 'women power' playthrough but with a slight difference in that Legion is going to be sent back to Cerberus so will need to make some alterations to take that into account.

Ok so due to some comments in some previous posts, decided to test the theory out about Zaeed and Kasumi being deemed not a full squadmate when it came to wanting a 'final two'.

Stuck fairly much to the above playthrough I created except I decided that only Kasumi and Zaeed would be loyal having done none of the others loyalty missions, I upgraded only the cannon and sent Legion to Cerberus (was sticking to a fairly neutral/renegade direction on the conversation front.

It took 2 attempts to do it, the first time I tried an alternate to the above by having Miranda, Tali and Mordin on door defence whilst took Zaeed and Kasumi with me to final battle. Miranda somehow survived despite being not loyal and having no heavy hitters to back her up. Tali and Mordin died.

So I restarted the mission again, this time when it came to the ground I pretty much stuck to the above plan except I swapped Garrus and Jacob around so Garrus got rocket to face and Jacob got swarmed.

Took non loyal Tali and Miranda to final battle leaving a loyal kasumi and zaeed with non loyal mordin.

This is the result below


When went for a lift ride, noticed something funny though...

Deck 3: Crew's Quarters
Team Members
None
Kasumi

Kasumi just a stowaway then?

Whereas on Engineering...

Deck 4: Engineering
Team Members
Zaeed

So basically other than the potential Mordin issue (if he were loyal), I probably could stick to the quoted playthrough and still get the same result seeing as it is possible to mess up the loyalty for those who would need to be unloyal where they die.

[Ecael]

Well, at least we know now it's possible to import a Zaeed/Kasumi game. I hope sending Legion to Cerberus didn't affect the DLC characters, though.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

Well, at least we know now it's possible to import a Zaeed/Kasumi game. I hope sending Legion to Cerberus didn't affect the DLC characters, though.

Considering I went in with cannon upgraded, I think I could easily have got same result. Legion instead of Thane getting incinerated, Thane getting impaled. Ground assault played out the same way as I did in this playthrough

Course, as previously mentioned, this basically also proves that you could do a quick playthrough with just Kasumi and Zaeed surviving where apart from the required main missions (collector ship, derelict reaper, suicide mission). You could go through the game post-horizon without doing any of the other main missions.

1st set of Dossiers + Zaeed and Kasumi's loyalty missions
Horizon
All 5 Project Firewalker missions + get Armor and Cannon upgrade from Jacob and Garrus
Collector Ship
IFF + get Legion
N7: MSV Estevanico (ground based mission with just shep and no fighting, real quick)
N7: Endangered Research Station (ground based mission with just shep and no fighting, real quick)
Abduction sequence
Ship run through the relay - take Kasumi to fight Oculus, Legion dies
Vents - Garrus
Swarm - Jack (Biotic Jacob, Miranda 2nd squadmate)

Diversion - Grunt

Final Battle - Miranda and Jacob

Door Defence - Zaeed, Kasumi and Mordin

Zaeed and Kasumi only survivors with Shep, Joker and EDI

[Dreykov]

Your Shepard needs a major hug

[Habelo]

Wouldnt it be much worse if you let balak go? I mean even on my very paragon runs i cant let him live. It is a very very ****ing idiotic thing to do

[Ecael]

Habelo wrote...

Wouldnt it be much worse if you let balak go? I mean even on my very paragon runs i cant let him live. It is a very very ****ing idiotic thing to do

It's likely that letting Balak go is worse for humanity (that is, if that DLC has any affect other than an e-mail or a news report), but my Renegade Shepard wants to go for a scorched earth approach -- killing every NPC that can be killed, and leaving the worst ones alive.

Unfortunately, a lot of those choices are the default for a New Game Shepard.

Dreykov wrote...

Your Shepard needs a major hug

This Shepard does not believe in Paragon Interrupts!

[Ecael]

Updated the main thread with:

-Shot the Sick Krogan in the Weyrloc base instead of saving him

It was self-defense! Honest!

[Kaerakh]

Out of curiosity, I've been wanting to build a save where Shepard is dead, but I want to ensure the survival of Tali and Garrus(Legion is a tertiary objective, but thats not absolutely necessary). Do you have any suggestions?

[Ecael]

Kaerakh wrote...

Out of curiosity, I've been wanting to build a save where Shepard is dead, but I want to ensure the survival of Tali and Garrus(Legion is a tertiary objective, but thats not absolutely necessary). Do you have any suggestions?

Shepard dies only when one or no squadmates survive.

[Kaerakh]

Thanks for the information!

[Ski Mask Wei]

Good ish. This thread inspired me to complete my pro-human playthrough where no alien crew member survives.



Legion-Pawned.

Garrus-Got revenge but then got vented.

Tali-Vaporized after I ran her father's name through the mud.

Thane-Son falls to the darkside while Dad gets spiked.

Samara-Morinth get the bleep outta dodge while dies protecting Chakwas.

Liara-Doesn't know her assistant is the mole. Killed wrong guy.



Well Grunt survived but he never left the tank. Maybe I should try to get him killed too? Just to be safe.

[Ecael]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Good ish. This thread inspired me to complete my pro-human playthrough where no alien crew member survives.

Legion-Pawned.
Garrus-Got revenge but then got vented.
Tali-Vaporized after I ran her father's name through the mud.
Thane-Son falls to the darkside while Dad gets spiked.
Samara-Morinth get the bleep outta dodge while dies protecting Chakwas.
Liara-Doesn't know her assistant is the mole. Killed wrong guy.

Well Grunt survived but he never left the tank. Maybe I should try to get him killed too? Just to be safe.

I was always afraid that Grunt would eventually break out of the tank if you left him there, so it's good to kill him to be on the safe side!

[Aradace]

I stand by my Kasumi and Zaeed being the only one's left alive run lol.

[Ecael]

Aradace wrote...

I stand by my Kasumi and Zaeed being the only one's left alive run lol.

Well, we won't know for sure until about a month before Mass Effect 3 (which is still a long time, sadly).

If only specific characters return, then it's Zaeed and Kasumi. If all of them return, I'd say it's much worse to have an Ardat-Yakshi around than Zaeed.

[cachx]

Question!



How hard is a loyal Miranda to kill? I'm working on a ME1 squad playtru (only Tali&Garrus survive), but I also want to renegade-romance Jack, and romance Miranda. (and then kill them both, that way Ashley never finds out).

If it comes down to it, I'll just save edit, but I want to try the "right way".

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

cachx wrote...

Question!

How hard is a loyal Miranda to kill? I'm working on a ME1 squad playtru (only Tali&Garrus survive), but I also want to renegade-romance Jack, and romance Miranda. (and then kill them both, that way Ashley never finds out).
If it comes down to it, I'll just save edit, but I want to try the "right way".

Even if the LI in ME2 dies, the picture is still faceplanted on the table. So I would imagine for some crazy reason Bioware is going to implement a way for the ME LI to find out (dunno how though).

That being said, hmm, loyal Miranda dead. Could be kind of tricky specially if you only want 2 to survive.

Due to loyalty enhancing chance of survival, you are basically going to need to not recruit the 2 DLC (could recruit Zaeed post-suicide and leave him trapped via paragon path if you wanted). Also best sending Legion to Cerberus (RP reason would be Tali doesn't want a Geth on the ship). Upgrade the Cannon only (to save Garrus) then follow the below path. When doing Samara's loyalty mission (if you want to do it) mention Justicar and Family to Morinth to get her to leave. You'll complete the mission but won't have Samara's loyalty

Ship journey
Armor death = Jack (always is)
Shield death = Thane (take Tali to fight the Oculus to save her

Ground journey
Vents/Missile to the head = Jacob
Biotic Swarmed = Grunt (use Miranda as biotic and take Tali with you, pick Tali first when choosing squadmates)
Diversion Leader dead = Mordin
Escort killed saving crew = Samara
Final Battle = Garrus and Tali
Door Defence death = Miranda (on her own, even loyal, no chance, that's what she got)
Final survivors = Garrus and Tali
If you really want to keep it as a ME1 squad/crew only thing, leave about 3-4 recruitment/loyalty missions till after abduction sequence so that only Dr Chakwas survives from the crew

If you would prefer swapping Kasumi for Thane, then that is no trouble because Kasumi is the first candidate for Shield incineration or if you want to do Legion's loyalty quest, again substitute Thane for him as Legion is 2nd on the list for Shield incineration. But basically you need to be going into the suicide mission with just 9 people. Zaeed as mentioned before can be killed afterwards by leaving his recruitment till after and leaving him trapped after doing the paragon path and selecting bottom right choice stating you going to leave him there.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 mai 2010 - 07:52 .

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

cachx wrote...

Question!

How hard is a loyal Miranda to kill? I'm working on a ME1 squad playtru (only Tali&Garrus survive), but I also want to renegade-romance Jack, and romance Miranda. (and then kill them both, that way Ashley never finds out).
If it comes down to it, I'll just save edit, but I want to try the "right way".

Even if the LI in ME2 dies, the picture is still faceplanted on the table. So I would imagine for some crazy reason Bioware is going to implement a way for the ME LI to find out (dunno how though).

Joker's going to have to put more grease on the Normandy's cameras, I guess.



I agree with Ulrich. The only way to kill a loyal Miranda is to make her hold the line all by herself.

[superimposed]

I challenge your set-up, Ecael.



Clearly having Jacob and Morinth would be the worst set up. It's the only time you could lose after winning the priiiiiiize.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

hehe....that is funny.

[Ecael]

superimposed wrote...

I challenge your set-up, Ecael.

Clearly having Jacob and Morinth would be the worst set up. It's the only time you could lose after winning the priiiiiiize.

Heavy risks involved.

[cachx]

So here is my "first try".

+Loyals

• Garrus.
• Tali.
• Morinth (this is my first true renegade play, so I got her, just for the lulz).
• Miranda (to trigger romance).
• Jack (for renegade love-making).
• -- (if you want to know, I also had the fling with Kelly and dropped a hint to Tali ).

+Other Stuff

• Goofed off doing Hammerhead missions after the abduction to ensure only Dr. Hacksaw survives.
• Left Grunt on the tank.
• Never activated Legion (didn't send him to Cerberus, just left him on the table).

(dunno if this is going to come back to bite me in ME3, hopefully the import will ignore them).

+Launch Suicide Mission

• Jack got lasered.
• Took Garrus and Tali to fight the Oculus.
• Kasumi exploded.
• Thane impaled.

+First Part

• Granted Jacob's wish and sent him to the vents. The prize? death.
• Garrus complains about Miranda if Jack is dead, made me lol. Chose Garrus as Fire team leader, it's not like Jacob is going to get any deader.
• Jacob got rocketed as expected.

+Second Part

• Kelly got melted, only Chackwas survived (actually the first time I tried only half the crew died, had to reload and waste more time).
• Chose Miranda for bubble duty.
• But here is the funny part, I ended up running this section several times because (L)Tali + (L)Morinth and (L)Tali + (U)Zaeed ended with Tali getting swarmed every single damn time no matter what order I picked. Then tried with Garrus, and the same thing happened! Eventually I chose Tali + Mordin and Mordin got swarmed.
• Sent Zaeed for escort duty, he died.
• Set Morinth as Fire-Team leader, SHE SURVIVED
• At the end Morinth + Miranda Held the Line, but both lived.

FISSION MAILED
Soooo... I might need to rethink this from the beggining. Any tips are welcome.

[Ecael]

cachx wrote...

[*]Set Morinth as Fire-Team leader, SHE SURVIVED [*]At the end Morinth + Miranda Held the Line, but both lived.
[/list]

Sometimes when there are only 4-5 people left and one of them gets seeker swarmed, the game will force the Second Fire Team leader to survive automatically.

Also, loyal Miranda is nearly invincible. She can only die if she holds the line by herself (which is prevented by the Second Fire Team auto-surviving sometimes).

[cachx]

Ecael wrote...

cachx wrote...
[*]Set Morinth as Fire-Team leader, SHE SURVIVED [*]At the end Morinth + Miranda Held the Line, but both lived.
[/list]

Sometimes when there are only 4-5 people left and one of them gets seeker swarmed, the game will force the Second Fire Team leader to survive automatically.

Also, loyal Miranda is nearly invincible. She can only die if she holds the line by herself (which is prevented by the Second Fire Team auto-surviving sometimes).

So, there is no way of figuring out this 'sometime'? I'll try killing Zaeed beforehand, to start the mission with 9 characters, and/or switching characters around, see if that makes a difference. (I think the culprit here is loyal Morinth tho, if everything else fails, I'll save edit to unloyal everyone but Tali&Garrus ).

Also, in case you didn't know, according to this the HtL priority list is (from weak to strong): Mordin - Tali - Kasumi - Jack - Miranda - Jacob - Garrus - Samara/Morinth - Legion - Thane - Zaeed - Grunt.