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[Ecael]

Talifan wrote...

Good point...Well I never cared too much for Thane sooooo

So that's five people who are gonan die now

lemme think...Jacob gets a rocket to the face, Jack gets Lazored, Thane I'll have lead the second fire team, damn I'm gonna have to leave it to chance on Morinth getting carried off by seeker swarms, anyway to ensure she'll be carried off?  I'm gonna be forced into using Miranda since she's the only other choice.

Need a minute, I can probably come up with a playthrough that won't have that problem.

[Ecael]

You can buy all 3 Normandy upgrades and still accomplish it. Choosing Jack over Miranda to lead the Fire Teams is much more fun to watch, anyway.

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Zaeed, Tali
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Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Samara, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Zaeed, Tali
Non-loyals: Miranda, Thane
Normandy Upgrades: Buy ALL 3 Upgrades
Chakwas & Crew: Chakwas survives

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Mess up Thane's loyalty by losing the target (Jorim Talid)
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Delay passing through the Omega-4 relay to get Cerberus crew killed
-Resolve the Tali/Legion argument, get both loyalties

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Jack (just to see Miranda's reaction!)
Biotic - Thane (bring Miranda and Samara, Samara dies)
Escort - Mordin
Second Fire Team Leader - Jack (she dies this time!)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Thane (both die)
Distraction Team - Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Legion, Kasumi, Tali

Deaths, before landing
Morinth - No Renegade choice, decapitated

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face; heavy risk
Samara - Died by seeker swarm
Jack - Died while closing second door
Miranda - Died at final boss
Thane - Died at final boss

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Final Squadmates: Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Tali, Zaeed
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I'll post a link to this on the original post too.

[Talifan]

Perfect, was kidna hopin to get his son so I could shoot the racist Turian **** myself, but this will do, appreciate the help!

Ahhh Andrea Shepard...psychotic, bioticly powered crazy b*tchupon who the fate of the Galaxy depends on! We're so screwed

Modifié par Talifan, 20 mai 2010 - 01:20 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

I thought the first fire team leader dies if it's not a loyal Miranda, Jacob or Garrus.

[Talifan]

First fire team leader gets your tech specialist killed even if they are loyal, the SECOND time around they die if not loyal.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Even if your tech specialist is a loyal legion/tali/kasumi?

[Ecael]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Even if your tech specialist is a loyal legion/tali/kasumi?

Yes. A bad First FT Leader causes the Tech Specialist to die, regardless of who it is.

Talifan wrote...

Perfect, was kidna hopin to get his son so I could shoot the racist Turian **** myself, but this will do, appreciate the help!

Ahhh Andrea Shepard...psychotic, bioticly powered crazy b*tchupon who the fate of the Galaxy depends on!  We're so screwed

Well, the racist Turian still dies, and now you've got a Drell criminal on the run.

:innocent:

Modifié par Ecael, 20 mai 2010 - 01:28 .

[Talifan]

yep, they get a rocket to the face, for whatever weird reason.

[Talifan]

I do scratch my head at alot of these deaths like when the second fire team leader dies due to being unloyal or a bad choice, or the tech specialist taking a rocket to the face, They've taken rockets to the face, pumped full of bullets and been lit on fire by flamethrowers and with a little medi-gel they're good as new.



Come suicide mission apparently Medi-gel doesn't cure what it did every other time I used it.



Though the seeker swarm death is kinda understandable

[smecky-kitteh]

can anyone tell me how the seeker swarm deaths work. I've noticed the stronger characters like garrus, jacob, and grunt alway's get taken away while characters like mordin, tali, and miranda never die. the only time i've seen tali die is when I bring miranda. a lot of people say its just done at random but I'm not sure thats the case.

[Ecael]

Talifan wrote...

I do scratch my head at alot of these deaths like when the second fire team leader dies due to being unloyal or a bad choice, or the tech specialist taking a rocket to the face, They've taken rockets to the face, pumped full of bullets and been lit on fire by flamethrowers and with a little medi-gel they're good as new.

Come suicide mission apparently Medi-gel doesn't cure what it did every other time I used it.

Though the seeker swarm death is kinda understandable

Watching Grunt or Legion die - after their shields and armor go down - from a single shot to the stomach/hole is just...

smecky-kitteh wrote...

can anyone tell me how the seeker swarm deaths work. I've noticed the stronger characters like garrus, jacob, and grunt alway's get taken away while characters like mordin, tali, and miranda never die. the only time i've seen tali die is when I bring miranda. a lot of people say its just done at random but I'm not sure thats the case.

All I know is that Miranda can't die.

However, you may be on to something. The GameInformer article listed the entire hold the line strength list, which I haven't tested to be sure:

Hold the Line Strength List (Strongest to Weakest):
1. Grunt
2. Zaeed
3. Thane
4. Legion
5. Samara/Morinth
6. Garrus
7. Jacob
8. Miranda
9. Jack
10. Kasumi
11. Tali
12. Mordin

This *might* also be the list for who gets picked up first, excluding Miranda:

Possible Seeker Swarm Death List (Highest to Lowest):
1. Grunt
2. Zaeed
3. Thane
4. Legion
5. Samara/Morinth
6. Garrus
7. Jacob
8. Jack
9. Kasumi
10. Tali
11. Mordin

[Talifan]

Yeah that's what makes me scratch my head, Grunt takes ONE SHOT TO THE STOMACH and he dies...And seriously, you can't just give em some medi-gel so they hop up good as new? What the hell.

[smecky-kitteh]

That list makes sense. Grunt is almost alway's the one that gets picked off by the seeker swarms when i bring him. Mordin got eaten instead of Tali when I brought them with me. Maybe LI's are less likely to die or something.

[Ecael]

Talifan wrote...

Yeah that's what makes me scratch my head, Grunt takes ONE SHOT TO THE STOMACH and he dies...And seriously, you can't just give em some medi-gel so they hop up good as new? What the hell.

Final Fantasy Phoenix Down! Cutscene deaths in BioWare games make me cringe sometimes...

http://tvtropes.org/...n/PlotlineDeath

Corporal Jenkins: Nihlus! You're not coming with us?
Nihlus: I move faster on my own!
*Kaidan doesn't say anything*

*Jenkins dies*
Shepard: Leave him. He's dead. Nothing we can do about it.
*Kaidan nods*

*Nihlus dies*
Kaidan: Shepard. It's Nihlus.
*Shepard takes +1 Medi-Gel near his corpse and steps over him to talk with the dock worker*

Modifié par Ecael, 20 mai 2010 - 02:03 .

[Talifan]

Plot devices! Aint they wonderful?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

oooh here's something. what happens if you survive with just zaeed and kasumi, and then you remove all dlc from the game? Does the game freak out?

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

oooh here's something. what happens if you survive with just zaeed and kasumi, and then you remove all dlc from the game? Does the game freak out?

The game won't allow you to load those saves until you reinstall them.

[Talifan]

Yeah, unless you have at least two squad members still alive and usable, the game essentially crashes.



But if you wanna pretend to be all alone in the galaxy theres a neat little thread here about modding the game to play solo http://social.biowar...8/index/2312948 is the thread, check it and the videos the guy made.



It's stuff like that which makes me wish my PC could handle M2

[Hk47sPappy]

[quote]You can buy all 3 Normandy upgrades and still accomplish it. Choosing Jack over Miranda to lead the Fire Teams is much more fun to watch, anyway.



All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.



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Final Squadmates: Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Zaeed, Tali

-----------------



Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Samara, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Zaeed, Tali

Non-loyals: Miranda, Thane

Normandy Upgrades: Buy ALL 3 Upgrades

Chakwas & Crew: Chakwas survives



Before the Omega-4 Relay

-Mess up Thane's loyalty by losing the target (Jorim Talid)

-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight

-Delay passing through the Omega-4 relay to get Cerberus crew killed

-Resolve the Tali/Legion argument, get both loyalties



Assignments

Vents - Jacob (dies)

Fire Team Leader - Jack (just to see Miranda's reaction!)

Biotic - Thane (bring Miranda and Samara, Samara dies)

Escort - Mordin

Second Fire Team Leader - Jack (she dies this time!)

Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Thane (both die)

Distraction Team - Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Legion, Kasumi, Tali



Deaths, before landing

Morinth - No Renegade choice, decapitated



Deaths, after landing

Jacob - Died by rocket to face; heavy risk

Samara - Died by seeker swarm

Jack - Died while closing second door

Miranda - Died at final boss

Thane - Died at final boss



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Final Squadmates: Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Kasumi, Tali, Zaeed

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I'll post a link to this on the original post too.

[quote/]

How do I do the same but add Zaeed to the death list and without failing Thane's/Samara's missions?

[Ecael]

Hk47sPappy wrote...

How do I do the same but add Zaeed to the death list and without failing Thane's/Samara's missions?

That playthrough doesn't fail Samara's mission, it still completes her loyalty.

If you really want to kill Zaeed without any problems, just save his loyalty mission (and his actual recruitment, if you want) for after the final mission. You can then kill Zaeed after you fail to get Vido.

[EricHVela]

Ecael wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Bump for pure awesomeness and moar squad ineptness!

This one should work for Miranda and Jacob. Let me know if you run into any problems.

All 11 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Loyals: Miranda, Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane
Non-loyals: Tali, Zaeed, Samara
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Only Chakwas survives

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Complete about 4-6 missions after the abduction to ensure the crew is liquified
-Either side with Miranda or resolve the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Mess up Samara's loyalty quest by scaring Morinth away when you meet her
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the workers but not Charming him
-Bring Tali - but not Legion - to the Oculus fight

Assignments
Vents - Garrus (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Grunt and Tali, make sure Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Zaeed (dies)
Escort - Samara (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Jacob
Distraction Team - Mordin, Tali (both die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Garrus - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Zaeed - Died while closing second door
Samara - Died escorting Dr. Chakwas
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died holding the line

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Aw. Mordin survived.

Assuming I just want the Cerberus crew to survive (ship crew and the two squadmate officers) with Zaeed add-in and without Kasumi add-in, how do I need to modify this?

I went through the relay immediately after the abduction and got the crew back with Samara still dying (as I had hoped). That was the only change I made to the instructions. (It was pretty funny with Shep giving a big speech to just two people,
though.)

(If there is a all-loyal version, that would be awesome.)

Given MShep's options to berate Turians, Hanar and even aliens in general, be grossed by Asari, destroy the Krogan base and romance an alien-bigot in ME1 and make fun of Quarians and Drell in ME2, I figure he can have a Human-first stance option, too.

(BTW, is there a means to romance Kelly? Do I have to put off Ashley in ME1 for it? Kelly feeds my fish, but Shep went moping around his room staring at a picture of Ash on the way to the relay.)

[Ecael]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Aw. Mordin survived.

Assuming I just want the Cerberus crew to survive (ship crew and the two squadmate officers) with Zaeed add-in and without Kasumi add-in, how do I need to modify this?

(BTW, is there a means to romance Kelly? Do I have to put off Ashley in ME1 for it? Kelly feeds my fish, but Shep went moping around his room staring at a picture of Ash on the way to the relay.)

http://masseffect.wi.../Kelly_Chambers

Also, it's possible to do that with all 11 loyalty or even all 12 loyalty missions completed. This is the one with 11:

All 11 loyalty missions completed (Zaeed DLC only).

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Loyals: Miranda, Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane
Non-loyals: Tali, Zaeed, Samara
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Cerberus Crew survives

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Go through the Omega-4 Relay immediately after abduction to save the crew
-Either side with Miranda or resolve the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Mess up Samara's loyalty quest by scaring Morinth away when you meet her
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the workers but not Charming him
-Bring Tali - but not Legion - to the Oculus fight

Assignments
Vents - Garrus (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Grunt and Miranda, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Zaeed (dies)
Escort - Jacob
Final boss squadmates - Tali and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Miranda, Mordin (Mordin dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Garrus - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Zaeed - Died while closing second door
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died at final boss
Samara - Died at final boss

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Modifié par Ecael, 25 mai 2010 - 07:34 .

[Ecael]

And here's the one with 12 (Kasumi and Zaeed DLCs):

*Pro-Cerberus*

All 12 loyalty missions completed.

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Loyals: Miranda, Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Kasumi
Non-loyals: Tali, Samara (Do not recruit Zaeed yet!)
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: Cerberus Crew survives

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Do NOT recruit Zaeed until after the final mission
-Go through the Omega-4 Relay immediately after abduction to save the crew
-Either side with Miranda or resolve the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Mess up Samara's loyalty quest by scaring Morinth away when you meet her
-Bring Tali and Kasumi to the Oculus fight
-Recruit Zaeed after and do his loyalty quest and go Paragon (leave him in the fire)

Assignments
Vents - Garrus (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Grunt and Miranda, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Kasumi (dies)
Escort - Jacob
Final boss squadmates - Tali and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Miranda, Mordin (Mordin dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Garrus - Died by rocket to face
Grunt - Died by seeker swarm
Kasumi - Died while closing second door
Mordin - Died holding the line, preferred to get job done and go home
Tali - Died at final boss
Samara - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Died in a fire

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Linking to this on the main thread.

[EricHVela]

Ecael wrote...

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Woohoo! I won't have to go all the way back to the beginning!
\\ /

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 25 mai 2010 - 07:46 .

[Ecael]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Ecael wrote...

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Final Squadmates: Miranda and Jacob
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Woohoo! I won't have to go all the way back to the beginning!
\\\\ /

Yup.

Unless you get the Kasumi DLC, that is.