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[Ecael]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Ecael, our of curiosity, did you ever think of sharing your worst-import save(s) on masseffectsaves.com?

Don't worry, I don't plan to use it, as I'm on 360. But like I said, just curious.

I would, but those saves become outdated very easily because some of the mission DLCs have plot flags in them (Kasumi's greybox, for example).

If I'm still around the forums during the pre-release hype campaign for Mass Effect 3, I'll post it up for everyone. That will take a while, of course. I hope I'm not the only one with a save like this, though.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ecael wrote...


Conclusion: Grunt is awesome.

Grunt can hold the line alone even un-loyal AFAIK. I'll think that list is broken.

Also would a team of unloyal Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara and Legion be able to hold the line without casuelties?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Stupid internet making me double-posting!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 29 mai 2010 - 07:49 .

[Ecael]

Lizardviking wrote...

Ecael wrote...


Conclusion: Grunt is awesome.

Grunt can hold the line alone even un-loyal AFAIK. I'll think that list is broken.

Also would a team of unloyal Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara and Legion be able to hold the line without casuelties?

I remember one of the developers saying that non-loyal Grunt can die if he's paired up with a weak loyal like Mordin. I've never tested it, however.

Also, I've had non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara hold the line by themselves, so that team should be fine (I was trying to get my Shepard killed but failed!)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ecael wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Ecael wrote...


Conclusion: Grunt is awesome.

Grunt can hold the line alone even un-loyal AFAIK. I'll think that list is broken.

Also would a team of unloyal Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara and Legion be able to hold the line without casuelties?

I remember one of the developers saying that non-loyal Grunt can die if he's paired up with a weak loyal like Mordin. I've never tested it, however.

Also, I've had non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara hold the line by themselves, so that team should be fine (I was trying to get my Shepard killed but failed!)

Aye good. Then it looks like my Shepard-survives-even-without-any-loyal-or-ship upgrades playthrough will work! 

[theriddlen]

I remember one of the developers saying that non-loyal Grunt can die if he's paired up with a weak loyal like Mordin. I've never tested it, however.

As i remember, when grunt is unloyal and mordin is loyal, its the mordin who dies.

[cachx]

Lizardviking wrote...

Ecael wrote...


Conclusion: Grunt is awesome.

Grunt can hold the line alone even un-loyal AFAIK. I'll think that list is broken.

Also would a team of unloyal Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara and Legion be able to hold the line without casuelties?

As far as I know, if you send a loyal escort, and go to the end boss with 2 unloyals, the game will make the HTL character survive. At least it happened to me Garrus (loyal) Morinth (loyal) and Miranda (unloyal) all survived HTL alone under those conditions.

[phatmarshi]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

phatmarshi wrote...

Finally got around to making a video of the Girl Power run.
...
Girl Power Suicide Part 01 (Deaths: Legion, Thane, Jacob)
Girl Power Suicide Part 02 (Deaths: Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed)
Girl Power Suicide Part 03 (Deaths: Mordin)

how you get them to be pink?

Using textmod, I like to mess around with the colors and some minor changes alot. Its the reason why I will never play ME on my xbox again. Will be purchasing it on PC only for ME3. I like my girls pink. 







Do we know all that there is about the suicide mission deaths now? Anything left to test?

Modifié par phatmarshi, 29 mai 2010 - 10:27 .

[Ecael]

cachx wrote...

As far as I know, if you send a loyal escort, and go to the end boss with 2 unloyals, the game will make the HTL character survive. At least it happened to me Garrus (loyal) Morinth (loyal) and Miranda (unloyal) all survived HTL alone under those conditions.

Yup. Even non-loyal Mordin can fend off 10,000 Collectors by himself in that situation.

[Alphyn]

Whenever I see a squad member in red, I cry.



I could not do this. At all.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Some 2 cents imput on "Hold the Line" toll:

Garrus + Samara + Miranda + Mordin (all loyal, but Samara) = all live
Jacob + Samara + Miranda + Mordin (all loyal, but Samara) = Samara dies
Garrus + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal, but Miranda) = all live
Garrus + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal) = Miranda dies

Non-loyals will definitely die first, it seems. Also, the number of survivors from the escort role and the two final boss squadmates (0, 1, 2, 3) can affect how many survive the hold the line segment.

I doubt it. Maybe if the final boss team dies, yes. But in the first two of my examples, the escorting person lived, and in the latter two the escort (Jacob) died. Both final boss squaddies lived in all cases, though.

Ecael wrote...
I'm not sure if that's entirely correct, though - I've never seen Grunt die holding the line.

I swear I saw a post by a dev, that Grunt can die there if he is unloyal and the only tough guy with a bunch of loyal squishies.

Ecael wrote...
Conclusion: Grunt is awesome.

Agreed. That's why my Shepard keeps him in the cargo hold for the personalization purposes. Instead of fishies, space hamsters and ship models.
BTW, what you think happens to him in this case in ME3, according to your Worst Playthrough doctrine?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mai 2010 - 03:43 .

[EricHVela]

I may have missed this:

Is it possible to end up with Shepard alive with "Final Squadmates: None" and Dr. Hacksaw, Joker and the remaining crew to survive (going to rescue them immediately)? (I realize that this will likely bork the ability to play any further missions.)

Or does killing all squadmates regardless of the remaining crew always kill Shepard, too?

[EricHVela]

I still don't have the Stolen Memories DLC.

[Zulu_DFA]

ReggarBlane wrote...
Is it possible to end up with Shepard alive with "Final Squadmates: None"?

No.

ReggarBlane wrote...
Dr. Hacksaw

ReggarBlane wrote...
I realize that this will likely bork the ability to play any further missions

To prevent that, you can't end up win only a single squadmate also. In this case Shepard dies too.

ReggarBlane wrote...
Or does killing all squadmates regardless of the remaining crew always kill Shepard, too?

Yes.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mai 2010 - 03:10 .

[mosor]

Wouldn't the worst possible playthough be one where not only most of your squadmates (especially grunt) die, but also make sure Wrex is dead, legion is sold to Cerberus, quarians are balkanized, the genophage cure is deleated, the rachni are dead, the old council is dead and the collector base is destroyed?



That way you have only a couple squadmates, a bleak outlook for allies in ME3 and little chance for some reaper tech to help you.

[Zulu_DFA]

mosor wrote...

Wouldn't the worst possible playthough be one where not only most of your squadmates (especially grunt) die, but also make sure Wrex is dead, legion is sold to Cerberus, quarians are balkanized, the genophage cure is deleated, the rachni are dead, the old council is dead and the collector base is destroyed?

That way you have only a couple squadmates, a bleak outlook for allies in ME3 and little chance for some reaper tech to help you.

Read the OP carefully. That's exactly what Ecael does. The "suicide mission" is just the most tricky part of it.

I would dispute that some choices listed are bad, but that's Ecael's take, and it's "evil" enough.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mai 2010 - 06:44 .

[mosor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

mosor wrote...

Wouldn't the worst possible playthough be one where not only most of your squadmates (especially grunt) die, but also make sure Wrex is dead, legion is sold to Cerberus, quarians are balkanized, the genophage cure is deleated, the rachni are dead, the old council is dead and the collector base is destroyed?

That way you have only a couple squadmates, a bleak outlook for allies in ME3 and little chance for some reaper tech to help you.

Read the OP carefully. That's exactly what Ecael does. The "suicide mission" is just the most tricky part of it.

My bad. Too much caffeine to concetrate.

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

mosor wrote...

Wouldn't the worst possible playthough be one where not only most of your squadmates (especially grunt) die, but also make sure Wrex is dead, legion is sold to Cerberus, quarians are balkanized, the genophage cure is deleated, the rachni are dead, the old council is dead and the collector base is destroyed?

That way you have only a couple squadmates, a bleak outlook for allies in ME3 and little chance for some reaper tech to help you.

Read the OP carefully. That's exactly what Ecael does. The "suicide mission" is just the most tricky part of it.

I would dispute that some choices listed are bad, but that's Ecael's take, and it's "evil" enough.

Feel free to discuss which choices, though. That's why I made the thread - I'm still not sure if some of the choices really are the worst ones, but none of us can be sure until Mass Effect 3 is released.

They don't seem to reward Renegade (or just stupid/neutral stupid) choices, after all.

Modifié par Ecael, 30 mai 2010 - 09:30 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...
Feel free to discuss which choices, though. That's why I made the thread - I'm still not sure if some of the choices really are the worst ones, but none of us can be sure until Mass Effect 3 is released.

They don't seem to reward Renegade (or just stupid/neutral stupid) choices, after all.

Well, my favorite "stupid paragon" is sparing the Rachni queen. After seeing on Youtube recently what the queen did to the Asari messenger, I'm even more sure, that debugging was the right choice.

And destroying the Kasumi's graybox seems more than anything justufied as a "better safe than sorry" decision. (even from the squadmates count / ME3 cameos perspective).

[mosor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Feel free to discuss which choices, though. That's why I made the thread - I'm still not sure if some of the choices really are the worst ones, but none of us can be sure until Mass Effect 3 is released.

They don't seem to reward Renegade (or just stupid/neutral stupid) choices, after all.

Well, my favorite "stupid paragon" is sparing the Rachni queen. After seeing on Youtube recently what the queen did to the Asari messenger, I'm even more sure, that debugging was the right choice.

And destroying the Kasumi's graybox seems more than anything justufied as a "better safe than sorry" decision. (even from the squadmates count / ME3 cameos perspective).

I guess worst possible playthrough has more to do with what your vision is for humanity at the end of the game. A strong humanity where they dominate the galaxy, you'll probably want to knock out the competition while you get a chance. That would include debugging the rachni, and making sure the krogan suffer a slow death by eliminating wrex, grunt, and destroying the cure.

Allowing cerberus to study legion might give humanity the means to control the whole geth, or absolutely destroy them. So that may be another competitor off the picture. Who knows how it will work out, but I somehow doubt if you keep clicking the renegade option blindly  without resorting to charm that it will result in you losing the game

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Feel free to discuss which choices, though. That's why I made the thread - I'm still not sure if some of the choices really are the worst ones, but none of us can be sure until Mass Effect 3 is released.

They don't seem to reward Renegade (or just stupid/neutral stupid) choices, after all.

Well, my favorite "stupid paragon" is sparing the Rachni queen. After seeing on Youtube recently what the queen did to the Asari messenger, I'm even more sure, that debugging was the right choice.

And destroying the Kasumi's graybox seems more than anything justufied as a "better safe than sorry" decision. (even from the squadmates count / ME3 cameos perspective).

I think the Rachni are going to be a double-edged sword - if you keep them, they help you with the Reapers but make the galaxy worse off after. If you kill them, you get less help with the Reapers but the galaxy is better off if you succeed.

[Zulu_DFA]

mosor wrote...
I guess worst possible playthrough has more to do with what your vision is for humanity at the end of the game. A strong humanity where they dominate the galaxy, you'll probably want to knock out the competition while you get a chance. That would include debugging the rachni, and making sure the krogan suffer a slow death by eliminating wrex, grunt, and destroying the cure.
Allowing cerberus to study legion might give humanity the means to control the whole geth, or absolutely destroy them. So that may be another competitor off the picture. Who knows how it will work out, but I somehow doubt if you keep clicking the renegade option blindly  without resorting to charm that it will result in you losing the game

Even assuming the BIG CHICES don't affect actuall winnability, I think the best and worst results for both alien-loving and pro-human parties will be a mix of red and blue. All-blue and all-red paths will come out at 50% of the desired result. To encourage replayability, at least.

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Feel free to discuss which choices, though. That's why I made the thread - I'm still not sure if some of the choices really are the worst ones, but none of us can be sure until Mass Effect 3 is released.

They don't seem to reward Renegade (or just stupid/neutral stupid) choices, after all.

Well, my favorite "stupid paragon" is sparing the Rachni queen. After seeing on Youtube recently what the queen did to the Asari messenger, I'm even more sure, that debugging was the right choice.

And destroying the Kasumi's graybox seems more than anything justufied as a "better safe than sorry" decision. (even from the squadmates count / ME3 cameos perspective).

I think the Rachni are going to be a double-edged sword - if you keep them, they help you with the Reapers but make the galaxy worse off after. If you kill them, you get less help with the Reapers but the galaxy is better off if you succeed.

Double-edged swords would be great, but i doubt Bioware can execute the two-level impact of the BIG CHOICES. More likely some choices will affect only the Reaper battle, and some others only the post-Reaper Galaxy.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 mai 2010 - 05:23 .

[Appolo90]

Oh my gosh.. when I saw my entire squad dying left and right, I actually felt sick to the stomach. The game impacted me so much my first playthrough that I was so depressed and had to stop XD



You guys importing these bare bones squads are truly heartless Or you are normal people who don't take games seriously.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Appolo90 wrote...

Oh my gosh.. when I saw my entire squad dying left and right, I actually felt sick to the stomach. The game impacted me so much my first playthrough that I was so depressed and had to stop XD

You guys importing these bare bones squads are truly heartless Or you are normal people who don't take games seriously.

Why so serious?

Variety is the spice of life

Whilst I know some people prefer to have every one of their sheps have a complete squad at the end, to me that is boring and doesn't give as much 'difference' in playthroughs than having some members killed off. It isn't a case of being heartless or not taking the game seriously, to some extent I think we take the game far more seriously because we setup more different variations and could be potentially setting up things to impact on ME3 more so than those that have every squad member in every playthrough surviving.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Appolo90 wrote...

Oh my gosh.. when I saw my entire squad dying left and right, I actually felt sick to the stomach. The game impacted me so much my first playthrough that I was so depressed and had to stop XD

You guys importing these bare bones squads are truly heartless Or you are normal people who don't take games seriously.

LOL! I know exactly what you mean. I'm actually still debating whether I should join these guys and do my own "black" playthrough. I really don't think I can do it; it would destroy me. lol