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[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael, it occurs to me some time ago you posted a more detailed version of your "worst choices" than there is currently in this thread's OP. Even with some explanations for why you think they are bad.

In particular I'm interested in what you think of leaving Grunt in the tank, and taking Liara to fight Benezia.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 03:51 .

[Pacifien]

Can't speak for Ecael on taking Liara to fight Benezia, but I do know that the intent was to bring every possible character and do every loyalty mission. Otherwise, it would have been just as easy to leave Grunt in the tank, give Legion to Cerberus, and forget about loyalty missions altogether.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Can't speak for Ecael on taking Liara to fight Benezia, but I do know that the intent was to bring every possible character and do every loyalty mission. Otherwise, it would have been just as easy to leave Grunt in the tank, give Legion to Cerberus, and forget about loyalty missions altogether.

I mean technically Grunt is alive... What'll his ME3 fate be like?

I didn't recruit Wrex in ME1, so he presumably went to Tuchanka regardless, and tried to take control of the Clan Urdnot and was killed in the power struggle (or maybe fled again?). Only a minor incosistency was that there was an option to ask the Illusive Man about Wrex along with all the former squadmates, despite having no reason to do so.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 04:10 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm guessing leaving Grunt in the tube is equal to not recruiting him (or at least that's how ME3 may recognize it if you import such a save). The same could be said about Legion. But I'm only speculating here.

[Ecael]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm guessing leaving Grunt in the tube is equal to not recruiting him (or at least that's how ME3 may recognize it if you import such a save). The same could be said about Legion. But I'm only speculating here.

I'd say leaving Grunt in there is equal to actually recruiting him (since it's easier to write in when he's a required recruit).

As for Legion... best way to write around that is:

1. If Legion lives, he retains his regular model, with more of the N7 armor.
  - "There is a hole."

2. If Legion is sent to Cerberus, he escapes the facility after they fix him - like Shepard.
  - "There was a hole."

3. If Legion dies, he comes back as a slightly retextured, undamaged geth from the Perseus Veil.
  -"There is no hole."

[Ecael]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Hi everyone. I'm on my fifth or sixth playthrough of ME2 now, using a Paragon Vanguard. Tali and Garrus were my squad for just about all of the first game with this character, and I'd like to find a way to keep those two and Legion alive during the suicide mission.

http://social.biowar...5/index/2792519

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Legion, Tali and Garrus
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Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Tali, Thane, Kasumi, Legion
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: None

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Resolve the Tali/Legion fight for both loyalties
-Scare Morinth away when you meet her to mess up Samara's loyalty
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the factory workers but not using Paragon to gain his loyalty
-Bring Tali and Legion to fight the Oculus (so Kasumi dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Miranda and Mordin, Mordin dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Legion
Final boss squadmates - Zaeed and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Garrus, Tali, Miranda (Miranda dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Mordin - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Miranda - Died holding the line
Zaeed - Died at final boss
Samara - Died at final boss

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Final Squadmates: Legion, Tali and Garrus
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Modifié par Ecael, 03 juin 2010 - 01:01 .

[Ieldra]

Can anyone here answer this question:

I have the following setup:
Final boss: Miranda (loyal) and Legion (not loyal)
Hold the line: Jack (not loyal), Tali (not loyal), Mordin (loyal), Jacob (loyal)

Who of the hold-the-line group will die and who will live? And how will things change for the following setup:

Final boss: Miranda (loyal) and Jack (not loyal)
Hold the line: Kasumi (loyal), Tali (not loyal), Mordin (loyal), Jacob (loyal)

And finally, what will change if Jacob is not loyal?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juin 2010 - 05:59 .

[Ecael]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Can anyone here answer this question:

I have the following setup:
Final boss: Miranda (loyal) and Legion (not loyal)
Hold the line: Jack (not loyal), Tali (not loyal), Mordin (loyal), Jacob (loyal)

Weakest non-loyals die first on hold the line - Non-loyal Tali, then non-loyal Jack, and maybe loyal Mordin.

Legion will die automatically.

Final boss: Miranda (loyal) and Jack (not loyal)
Hold the line: Kasumi (loyal), Tali (not loyal), Mordin (loyal), Jacob (loyal)

Non-loyal Tali and maybe loyal Mordin.

Jack will die automatically.

And finally, what will change if Jacob is not loyal?

Nothing, actually - if one squadmate at the boss lives (and only one), it forces someone on the HTL to survive (although a loyal escort back at the ship may affect this). Jacob is good defensively, even though being non-loyal will make him weaker than loyal Kasumi.

Modifié par Ecael, 03 juin 2010 - 06:10 .

[Ieldra]

Actually, what I wanted to know is that if Jacob is not loyal, is there a higher chance of additional death at holding the line? I want Jacob to survive but the others dead, prefereably. Nobody else but these is alive at this point.

[Ecael]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, what I wanted to know is that if Jacob is not loyal, is there a higher chance of additional death at holding the line? I want Jacob to survive but the others dead, prefereably. Nobody else but these is alive at this point.

Getting three or four people killed on hold the line is quite difficult.

I've only managed four hold the line dead with (all non-loyal) Jack, Kasumi, Tali and Mordin. Anything slightly stronger (or one loyal) can drop it back to two or three dead.

[megatron999]

I completed ME2 on insanity and got all of my characters out alive and all of the normandy crew. Beat THAT! Nyah Nyah!!!



I'd imagine if either Tali/Legion gets killed then this will have dire repercussions in ME3 both in regards to the Qaurrians fleet and whether or not the Geth will join you in fighting the Reapers.



If you actually managed to recruit Morinth on your squad she will probably kill you later anyway just to be on the safe side.



Grunt/Thane/Mordin/Zaeed/Garrus/Jacob are more or less irrelevant whether or not they survive or not. They would have no likely impact on the game.

[Blue Palmetto]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

That's just crazy, guys. I can't believe what I'm reading here. lol

Same here. I had no idea people were doing this. I was just interested in getting Shepard to die and I found this. I love the internet.

[Ieldra]

Blue Palmetto wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
That's just crazy, guys. I can't believe what I'm reading here. lol

Same here. I had no idea people were doing this. I was just interested in getting Shepard to die and I found this. I love the internet.

I'll never do what Ecael has done in the OP, but this thread is very useful anyway. Story-wise, I find a less-than-perfect playthrough much more interesting, and this thread helps me to get them. Anything between 2 and 6 deaths can be justified by suboptimal, but still somewhat plausible choices. Apart from that, some Shepards might want to send one or two squadmates to their death on purpose - after all, Grunt did say he was looking forward to fighting against him one day. That day had better not arrive from my more Renegade Shepards' point of view.
.

[Ecael]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Blue Palmetto wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
That's just crazy, guys. I can't believe what I'm reading here. lol

Same here. I had no idea people were doing this. I was just interested in getting Shepard to die and I found this. I love the internet.

I'll never do what Ecael has done in the OP, but this thread is very useful anyway. Story-wise, I find a less-than-perfect playthrough much more interesting, and this thread helps me to get them. Anything between 2 and 6 deaths can be justified by suboptimal, but still somewhat plausible choices. Apart from that, some Shepards might want to send one or two squadmates to their death on purpose - after all, Grunt did say he was looking forward to fighting against him one day. That day had better not arrive from my more Renegade Shepards' point of view.

My main Shepard is a full Paragon everyone-survives (even the ExoGeni scientists) playthrough.

It's the best way to see what differences each plot flag or plot death will have on Mass Effect 3.

[megatron999]

My current sheperd i'm making a bit unstable and irratic to better simulate his death/rebirth. He is very angry and wrathful.



Has killed Batarian bartender Batarians holding Mordins apprentice hostage.

Also got patriarch killed.



My goal is to make Zaeed loyal to me as well as get as much achievements for the game as possible and the LI with Miranda.

[Ecael]

PureMethodActor wrote...

I forgot to mention in my earlier post, with my method for guaranteed Shepard death, that the reason Tali dies in the reactor burst is because I took Legion with me during the Oculus fights.

No Kasumi DLC?

She dies first if you don't take her to the Oculus.

[joecool280]

Hello, having just followed your "Everyone dies except Kasumi and Morinth" playthrough with my Renegade character, I would now like to do a playthrough with my Paragon character where only Garrus, Grunt, Legion and Tali survive, my favorite characters. What would I have to change from the "Everyone dies except Garrus, Legion and Tali" playthrough to make sure Grunt survives as well?

Modifié par joecool280, 06 juin 2010 - 05:44 .

[Ecael]

joecool280 wrote...

Hello, having just followed your "Everyone dies except Kasumi and Morinth" playthrough with my Renegade character, I would now like to do a playthrough with my Paragon character where only Garrus, Grunt, Legion and Tali survive, my favorite characters. What would I have to change from the "Everyone dies except Garrus, Legion and Tali" playthrough to make sure Grunt survives as well?

Switch Grunt and Zaeed. Put Zaeed as Second Fire Team Leader (this means you can make him loyal if you want).

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Miranda and Mordin, Mordin dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Zaeed (dies)
Escort - Legion
Final boss squadmates - Grunt and Samara (Samara dies)
Distraction Team - Garrus, Tali, Miranda (Miranda dies)

[megatron999]

What if Tali and Legion were the only ones to survive?

[Ecael]

megatron999 wrote...

What if Tali and Legion were the only ones to survive?

In the playthrough Joecool was asking about, or in a separate playthrough?

Modifié par Ecael, 06 juin 2010 - 10:05 .

[Ecael]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Yep, I didn't have Kasumi, and thats pretty much the key point in my particular method, besides making sure Jacob is the one that dies in the Long Walk. I played this particular Shepard before the Kasumi DLC was released, so my method for Shepard suicide still worked. Ideally with only 2 tech people, 1 is disloyal which you can save for later, and the loyal 1 will die in the reactor core explosion provided the Normandy isn't upgraded, and therefore someone is gonna die in the first part in the tunnel. However with the Kasumi DLC theres more options with the tunnel, and it also means more people to hold the line, so one of them might make it.

Fortunately I was only killing off ONE of my Shepards (the reason is kinda complicated and controversial so message me if you really want to know), so I have no plans to kill any more Shepards off. I downloaded Kasumi-Stolen Memory a couple nights ago so when I finish my current playthrough in ME1 I can't wait to finally play out the missions and use the character I've heard so much about

Kasumi with Rapid Shadow Strike is about as cheap as Zaeed with an Incisor Rifle.

:innocent:

The Shepard dies playthrough linked in the original post (with all missions completed and all 12 squadmates) should work. I only tested the Hold the Line part to make sure all three of them would die.