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[CroGamer002]

smudboy wrote...

Several months old? Time to lock a thread.

[Hk47sPappy]

Ecael wrote...

phatmarshi wrote...

Actually I did this exactly and what I found was Mordin and Tali ended up dying so I upped the strength of the distraction team slightly by swapping Miranda into distraction and taking Loyal Jack with me to the boss.

This will result in only Mordin dying holding the line.

Ah, good to know. Wasn't expecting two people to die in that part.

I'll correct my post:

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

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Final Squadmates: Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Tali, Samara (Girl power!)
-----------------

Loyals: Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi, Thane, Jack, Legion, Miranda, Tali, Samara
Non-loyals: Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: Silaris Heavy Ship Armor (Jack survives)
Chakwas & Crew: Dr. Chakwas survives?

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Do Zaeed's loyalty, save the workers but don't Charm Zaeed's loyalty back
-You MUST resolve the Jack/Miranda argument successfully
-Side with Tali during the Tali/Legion argument
-Do side missions and others if you want the crew to die (except Chakwas)
-Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Tali and Garrus, make sure Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Samara and Jack
Distraction Team - Miranda, Kasumi, Tali, Mordin (only Mordin should die)

Deaths, before landing
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapons Upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Zaeed - Died escorting the crew
Mordin - Died holding the line

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Tali, Samara (Girl power!)
-----------------

Could you help me add Legion to the survivors? I can't figure it out in the "Hold the Line" section.

[Pacifien]

If you get the shield upgrade from Tali, then you can do the exact same playthrough but have Legion holding the line.

[Hk47sPappy]

No I can't, with Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Jack; the averaged HTL score is 1.25 which will result in the deaths of Mordin and Jack.

[Pacifien]

Wait, who do you want to live again? The post you quoted has Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Tali, and Samara as survivors. If you want a completely different group, you have to say who that is.

[Hk47sPappy]

Sorry, I want Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kasumi, Tali, and Legion. The reason I didn't post Tali and Kasumi is that I would probably take them to the final boss.

[Ecael]

Hk47sPappy wrote...

No I can't, with Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Jack; the averaged HTL score is 1.25 which will result in the deaths of Mordin and Jack.

If they're all loyal, it will be:

Legion: 2 points
Miranda: 2 points
Samara: 2 points
Jack: 1 point
Mordin: 1 point

Averages to 1.6, which means only Mordin will die.

[Pacifien]

So the only change you need to make from the playthrough listed earlier is to make sure you maintain both Tali's and Legion's loyalty.

ETA: Wait, also Tali's shield upgrade.

Modifié par Pacifien, 27 juin 2010 - 04:04 .

[Hk47sPappy]

Thanks, I just realized my mathematical error.

[Hellhawx]

Hellhawx wrote...

I posted long ago, but that was before Kasumi. I've imported an ME1 playthrough where I've taken every option to kill off the maximum amount of people. Now, my goal is to kill off as many people in ME2 as possible. I want to pretty much 100% the game (all side missions and all loyalty missions) but my goal is to kill 10 of the 12 squadmates off. How would I go about keeping Garrus and Grunt as the only survivors?

I think everyone skipped over this since it was the last post on the previous page.

[Ecael]

Hellhawx wrote...

Hellhawx wrote...

I posted long ago, but that was before Kasumi. I've imported an ME1 playthrough where I've taken every option to kill off the maximum amount of people. Now, my goal is to kill off as many people in ME2 as possible. I want to pretty much 100% the game (all side missions and all loyalty missions) but my goal is to kill 10 of the 12 squadmates off. How would I go about keeping Garrus and Grunt as the only survivors?

I think everyone skipped over this since it was the last post on the previous page.

Hmm... I was only able to get Garrus and Grunt by saving three missions for after the Omega-4, as shown below:

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Grunt and Garrus
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Kasumi
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Samara, *Grunt and Zaeed* (avoid until later)
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: DEAD

Before the Omega-4 Relay
----Leave these quests for after the final mission:
----Zaeed Recruitment (*avoid him like the plague*)
----Zaeed Loyalty
----Grunt Loyalty
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by chasing Morinth away
-Bring Tali and Legion to fight the Oculus (so Kasumi dies)
-After the final mission, recruit Zaeed and kill him during his loyalty mission

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Legion and Tali, Legion dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Garrus (Miranda dies)
Distraction Team - Grunt, Samara, Tali (Samara and Tali die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Legion - Died by seeker swarm
Mordin - Died while closing second door
Samara - Died holding the line
Tali - Died holding the line
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Died in a fire

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Grunt and Garrus
-----------------

Hope that works!

Modifié par Ecael, 27 juin 2010 - 11:09 .

[Hellhawx]

Is there any way to do this by siding with Morinth (killing Samara) and still getting Morinth killed (this way they are both garunteed to be dead). Also, what do you mean by avoid Grunt? How do you kill Zaeed? Can you still kill him if you go the renegade path to get Vido? Lastly, what about the escort?

[D4rkFire]

Is there a possibility to keep Garrus, Miranda, Legion and Tali alive?

[Pacifien]

EDIT: CORRECTED SAMARA AND MIRANDA

I'm stealing Ecael's format here. It's a modified version of this playthrough.

[quote]D4rkFire wrote...
Is there a possibility to keep Garrus, Miranda, Legion, and Tali alive?
[/quote]
All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Garrus, Legion, Miranda, and Tali
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Tali, Thane, Kasumi, Legion
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: None

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-Side with Miranda during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Resolve the Tali/Legion fight for both loyalties
-Scare Morinth away when you meet her to mess up Samara's loyalty
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by saving the factory workers but not using Paragon to gain his loyalty
-Bring Tali and Legion to fight the Oculus (so Kasumi dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Samara (bring Miranda and Mordin, Mordin dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Legion
Final boss squadmates - Zaeed and Samara (Samara dies)
Distraction Team - Garrus, Tali, Miranda (they'll all live)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Mordin - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Zaeed - Died at final boss
Samara - Died holding the line

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Final Squadmates: Garrus, Legion, Miranda, and Tali
-----------------[/quote]

Modifié par Pacifien, 27 juin 2010 - 03:09 .

[D4rkFire]

Thank You Pacifien

[Ecael]

Switch Samara and Miranda in that playthrough Pacifien posted, then it should be fine. If Garrus and Tali are loyal, then Samara is going to survive that.

Hellhawx wrote...

Is there any way to do this by siding with Morinth (killing Samara) and still getting Morinth killed (this way they are both garunteed to be dead). Also, what do you mean by avoid Grunt? How do you kill Zaeed? Can you still kill him if you go the renegade path to get Vido? Lastly, what about the escort?

Actually, I tried Morinth, but there's just too many loyals. Garrus and Grunt as loyal are going to save everyone at holding the line, so you basically run out of options. You have another chance to kill someone with the escort, but you'll save the crew at the same time (or just Dr. Chakwas).

As for Grunt, don't do his loyalty mission until after and leave him holding the line with the other non-loyals. That will cause the other two non-loyals to die.

As for Zaeed, you can only kill him if you complete his loyalty quest as Paragon after the Omega-4 mission.

[Pacifien]

Hellhawx wrote...
Is there any way to do this by siding with Morinth (killing Samara) and still getting Morinth killed (this way they are both garunteed to be dead). Also, what do you mean by avoid Grunt? How do you kill Zaeed? Can you still kill him if you go the renegade path to get Vido? Lastly, what about the escort?

Since you asked about killing the maximum number of people, Ecael didn't list an escort because any escort will ensure the crew lives. If you want the crew to live, send an unloyal Tali back with them and she'll die while they'll live. Also, simply avoid Grunt's loyalty mission: you need him to be unloyal because of how the "Hold the Line" score works. Don't worry, he'll still live. To kill Zaeed, you need to do the paragon path during his recruitment mission and you need to tell him you're going to live him there to burn.

I'll have to work on how to do a playthrough with Morinth, assuming Ecael doesn't get to it first.

EDIT: Wait. Crap, it won't work if you send Tali back with the crew.

Modifié par Pacifien, 27 juin 2010 - 03:10 .

[Pacifien]

All 12 loyalty missions completed. Normal recruitment mission order.

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Grunt and Garrus
-----------------

Loyals: Grunt, Garrus, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin, Morinth, Thane
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, *Grunt and Zaeed* (avoid until later)
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: DEAD

Before the Omega-4 Relay
----Leave these quests for after the final mission:
----Zaeed Recruitment (*avoid him like the plague*)
----Zaeed Loyalty
----Grunt Loyalty
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for her loyalty mission
-Side with Morinth during the Samara/Morinth confrontation
-After the final mission, recruit Zaeed and kill him during his loyalty mission

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Legion and Tali, Legion dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Morinth (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Garrus (Miranda dies)
Distraction Team - Grunt, Mordin, Tali (HtL score 1.33 - Mordin and Tali should die)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Legion - Died by seeker swarm
Mordin - Died holding the line
Morinth - Died as 2nd Fireteam Leader
Tali - Died holding the line
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Died in a fire

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Grunt and Garrus
-----------------

[Hellhawx]

Thank you for all the help. I might just allow Zaeed to live. Since I've encouraged Garrus to act on impulse without the bogging down of restrictions, and Grunt is just a vicious killer, I may just keep Zaeed alive. Or go through your guys' guides and go with a different combo based on your findings. I don't want to save both Vido and the Workers just to kill Zaeed, I'd rather have his badassery and kill both the Workers and Vido.



I'm not exactly knowlegdable on this but what if I just brough Garrus and Grunt with me to the final boss (both loyal). Wouldn't that leave Mordin, Tali, and Miranda? Would all of them die HTL die?

[Ecael]

Pacifien wrote...

Distraction Team - Grunt, Mordin, Tali (HtL score 1.33 - Mordin and Tali should die)

Since Grunt is non-loyal, Grunt and Tali will die, rather than Mordin and Tali. If you made Grunt loyal, only Tali would die.

It's a good thing we did all that hold the line testing.

[Pacifien]

Well crap.

[Pacifien]

Hellhawx wrote...
I'm not exactly knowlegdable on this but what if I just brough Garrus and Grunt with me to the final boss (both loyal). Wouldn't that leave Mordin, Tali, and Miranda? Would all of them die HTL die?

The HtL score is .66 which means Mordin will still live.

[Hellhawx]

I've been going through your guides hardcore. It would be so much easier with 10 squadmates. Ugh. Anyway, I have a hard time trying to get myself to go the paragon route on Zaeed's loyalty mission, and letting Morinth go. So, it'll either be that or I'll just end up with 4 squadmates in the end. Now that I think of it, BioWare has their hands full just plotting out the story/gameplay with just the whole squadmate bit. I do not envy them.

[Pacifien]

The only way I could make it work with Morinth was if you didn't do Jacob's or Legion's loyalty. Then I figured it would be better not to do Jacob's because it would mean possibly that no one ever gets rescued from the Hugo Gernsback, everyone on the planet gets progressively crazier, and then they all kill each other. And I figured even though Thane dies before you reach the suicide mission, it might be good to still screw up his loyalty mission because then Joram Talid dies and Kolyat starts a life of crime that could potentially kill several more.

Anyway, this is with Jacob unloyal.
Vents: Mordin (dies)
Biotic: Jacob with Miranda and Morinth (Morinth dies)
Leader: Legion (dies)
HtL: Grunt, Jacob, Tali (HtL score 1.33 - Jacob and Tali die)
Final Boss: Garrus and Miranda (Miranda dies)

You still have the option to kill off Zaeed, but if not, he's at least a merc who only does the job he's paid for and you've already done that job for him. Dude makes out like a bandit yet again.

Modifié par Pacifien, 28 juin 2010 - 03:06 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Trying to figure out a run where everyone dies, there's a scene for Samara/Morinth getting lasered by the oculus but there is no way to trigger it without cheating. I've determined that had Samara had priority over Jack that it would have been MUCH easier to get a run where you are able to witness all 12 squadmembers dieing without skipping loyalty missions. here's a theoretical example: (+ and - dictate loyalty)

Preperation:
All 12 missions completed
Side with Legion or turn in the evidence at Tali's trial, Side with Jack, rescue the workers but don't secure Zaeed's loyalty

Ship:
+Morinth (It's fully in the game, but doesn't trigger unless you remove jack from your squad)
+Legion
+Thane

Tech: +Jacob
FireTeam: +Grunt
Swarms: +Garrus
Escort: -Zaeed

Hold the Line:
+Kasumi
+Mordin
+Jack

Final Boss:
-Miranda
-Tali


That would have ended up with a bad ending, with 2 of the 3 hold the line being dead onscreen. (Mordin, Kasumi) and a bad ending for the game. The interesting thing about this setup is how natural a path it could be for a player and how none of those decisions are really an "intentionally stupid" one. I wonder if originally you could have skipped Purgatory but they made it mandatory later on...



Another wish: It would have probably made more sense if you didn't automatically get Morinth's loyalty from beating Samara's mission renegade, since her sex scene proves that she was planning to kill you all along, meaning she wasn't loyal to begin with.  Maybe a dialogue option to secure her loyalty, although a totally un-loyal character would have been a decent twist for the character.  it would have also meant a fully completed game where shepard dies at the end more possible.  It would have also been more interesting if leaving Zaeed to die in the fire was something you could do before finishing the game.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 29 juin 2010 - 06:43 .