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[frozngecko]

I really don't know how you could stomach that....the rewards...will be interesting.

[Mad Godji]

I am starting to wonder if somehow the people you keep with you can have an influence on the HTL score. I'll try a simple Morinth/zaheed permutation and take Jacob and Miranda to the Larva (leaving loyal team of Mordin, Morinth, Kasumi and Tali holding the line, i.e. no one with leader skills)



If you want me to test some more permutations of an all loyal team, do tell.

[KenLyns]

Tried using the posthumusly loyalty glitch to achieve an even worse outcome. I got the factory on Zorya burned down, killing all workers and Vido Santiago.



End result:
Zaeed and Morinth survived and loyal
Everyone else died

Notable NPCs killed:
Vido Santiago
Ronald Taylor
Maelon
Joram Talid
Sidonis
Kal Reegar
Ish
Forvan

Notable ME1 NPCs killed:
Chorban
Inamorda
Finch
Conrad Verner
Kirahee
Every drugged researcher in the Sirta lab
Every killable Zhu's Hope colonist

NPC kept alive to hopefully stir up more crap in ME3:
Nyxeris/Observer

All loyalty missions completed except Legion's, with the following notes:
Miranda loyalty mission completed, but lost loyalty by siding with Jack.
Thane loyalty mission failed by losing track of Joram Talid, allowing Kolyat to kill him.
Tali loyalty mission failed by presenting evidence to the court.
Legion given to Cerberus for research, earning Shepard enough credits to buy the hamster.
Mordin and Garrus' loyalty missions completed posthumusly.

Jack: death by Oculus beam
Kasumi: death by engine overload
Thane: death by impalement near the elevator
Jacob through the ducts, Morinth as fire team leader -> loyal Jacob dies.
Send no one to escort crew back to Normandy -> crew die.
Miranda holds biotic dome, with Grunt and Tali as squadmates -> loyal Grunt dies.
Second fire team leader is non-loyal Garrus -> Garrus dies.
Take Miranda and Zaeed to fight Reaper. Miranda dies under metal slab. Mordin and Tali die holding the door.

And here's Grand Admiral Shepard that did it all, seen talking to Mordin about alien art.



Tried letting both missiles hit the Franklin colony, but the game gives a critcal mission failure afterwards.

Modifié par KenLyns, 23 octobre 2010 - 05:49 .

[Mad Godji]

Well, the permutation didn't change anything.

With Loyal Morinth, L. Mordin, L. Tali and L. Kasumi holding the line (Jacob and Miranda being with me to fight the Reaper larva) only Mordin died.

So yes, there probably are some incorrect values in the hold the line tiers, or some strange exception.

Modifié par Mad Godji, 23 octobre 2010 - 06:21 .

[freeeekshow]

is it possible to make any combination of two characters survive? I want Thane and Garrus to survive... they're my two favorites. Im not sure about all of the technical stuff,like whose loyalties to get, whose to not get, and everything in between. Some help would be greatly appreciated

[Cyberfrog81]

It's for a new playthrough (or at least one where you haven't done loyalty missions yet)? That's pretty easy then.

Here is output from my program, which I just call Suicide Misson Eff-up Generator (Smeg) for now:

====================================================================
TAKING A TRIP TO THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [mordin,tali,jack,miranda,jacob,samara,legion,grunt,lThane,lGarrus]...
        Taken to fight the Oculus: [legion,lThane]
Upgrades
        Armor           (no)
        Shielding      (no)
        Cannon        (yes)           ** Deaths: [tali,jack] **


CRASHING DOWN ON THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [legion,lThane,lGarrus,grunt,samara,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
        Chosen for Tech Expert: legion
        Chosen for Leader #1: lThane
        Choose any two to go with Shepard

REACHING THE FIRST DOOR
with [legion,lThane,lGarrus,grunt,samara,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
                                        ** Death: [legion] **
        Chosen for Bubble Biotic: jacob
        Chosen for Leader #2: grunt
        Chosen to escort crew: samara
        Going with Shepard: [mordin,miranda]

REACHING THE SECOND DOOR
with [lThane,lGarrus,grunt,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
        Choice of jacob caused death of mordin
        Leader #2 grunt dead (distracted/bad)
        Escort samara dead (not loyal)
                                        ** Deaths: [grunt,samara,mordin] **

HOLDING THE LINE
we find [lThane,miranda],
   having a hold-the-line score of 1.5
        (Shepard went to the boss with: [lGarrus,jacob])
                                        ** Deaths: [miranda] **

SO, SHEPARD'S FIGHTING THE HUMAN REAPER
with [lGarrus,jacob]
                                        ** Deaths: [jacob] **

*** FINAL TEAM: [lGarrus,lThane] ***

===========================================


One of many, many possible answers. This particular one isn't really appropriate though, for one because I don't see someone having only Thane and Garrus be loyal (doesn't sound like a fun playthrough either way). I or someone else can probably give a better answer if you have an idea how your final team might look like. The team can have some loyal people, just be careful especially with Miranda. She is nearly impossible to kill if loyal, so either don't do her mission or do both hers and Jack's and then side with Jack when it's time to "take pictures". Jack is then easy to kill, it can be as simple as not upgrading the ship's armor. Loyalty can't save her then.

[freeeekshow]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

It's for a new playthrough (or at least one where you haven't done loyalty missions yet)? That's pretty easy then.

Here is output from my program, which I just call Suicide Misson Eff-up Generator (Smeg) for now:

====================================================================
TAKING A TRIP TO THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [mordin,tali,jack,miranda,jacob,samara,legion,grunt,lThane,lGarrus]...
        Taken to fight the Oculus: [legion,lThane]
Upgrades
        Armor           (no)
        Shielding      (no)
        Cannon        (yes)           ** Deaths: [tali,jack] **


CRASHING DOWN ON THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [legion,lThane,lGarrus,grunt,samara,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
        Chosen for Tech Expert: legion
        Chosen for Leader #1: lThane
        Choose any two to go with Shepard

REACHING THE FIRST DOOR
with [legion,lThane,lGarrus,grunt,samara,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
                                        ** Death: [legion] **
        Chosen for Bubble Biotic: jacob
        Chosen for Leader #2: grunt
        Chosen to escort crew: samara
        Going with Shepard: [mordin,miranda]

REACHING THE SECOND DOOR
with [lThane,lGarrus,grunt,mordin,jacob,miranda]...
        Choice of jacob caused death of mordin
        Leader #2 grunt dead (distracted/bad)
        Escort samara dead (not loyal)
                                        ** Deaths: [grunt,samara,mordin] **

HOLDING THE LINE
we find [lThane,miranda],
   having a hold-the-line score of 1.5
        (Shepard went to the boss with: [lGarrus,jacob])
                                        ** Deaths: [miranda] **

SO, SHEPARD'S FIGHTING THE HUMAN REAPER
with [lGarrus,jacob]
                                        ** Deaths: [jacob] **

*** FINAL TEAM: [lGarrus,lThane] ***

===========================================


One of many, many possible answers. This particular one isn't really appropriate though, for one because I don't see someone having only Thane and Garrus be loyal (doesn't sound like a fun playthrough either way). I or someone else can probably give a better answer if you have an idea how your final team might look like. The team can have some loyal people, just be careful especially with Miranda. She is nearly impossible to kill if loyal, so either don't do her mission or do both hers and Jack's and then side with Jack when it's time to "take pictures". Jack is then easy to kill, it can be as simple as not upgrading the ship's armor. Loyalty can't save her then.

wow man, talk about a full answer. but yea, I intend on getting other peoples loyalties too so it wont just be than and garrus. Ill definitely use this as a guideline, thank you.

[SmokeyPSD]

I SO have to try this.

[NitrAce]

 

You've set yourself up for epic fail pretty nicely haha. I want to see what happens in ME 3 to your Shepard lol

[Pacifien]

freeeekshow wrote...
is it possible to make any combination of two characters survive? I want Thane and Garrus to survive... they're my two favorites. Im not sure about all of the technical stuff,like whose loyalties to get, whose to not get, and everything in between. Some help would be greatly appreciated

Thane and Garrus is a difficult one. Most of the worst playthroughs try to accomplish all twelve loyalty missions, losing the loyalties either through squadmate conflicts or by screwing up the mission in process. I don't think you can do this if you want Thane and Garrus to be your final survivors. You will either need to sell Legion, leave Grunt in the tank, or purposely skip a loyalty mission. Then it goes like this:

--------------------
Final Squadmates: Garrus and Thane
--------------------

Loyal: Garrus, Grunt*, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion*, Thane
Unloyal: Miranda, Mordin*, Samara, Tali, Zaeed

Before the Relay
Avoid Zaeed like the plague.
Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack confrontation.
Either screw up Tali's loyalty mission or side with Legion during the Tali/Legion confrontation.
Screw up Samara's loyalty mission by scaring Morinth away.
Do not do Mordin's loyalty mission. (*Alternate: Do Mordin's loyalty mission, but sell Legion or leave Grunt in tank.)
Upgrade the weapon systems only.

On Approach
No armor upgrade --> Jack dies
No shield upgrade --> Kasumi dies

On the Base
Tech, Jacob --> Jacob dies
Escort, Samara --> Samara dies
Seeker Swarms, Bring Legion w/ anyone but Garrus or Thane --> Legion dies
2nd Leader, Grunt --> Grunt dies
     Now, if you chose to do Mordin's loyalty mission and sell Legion/tank Grunt instead, simply kill off Mordin in their place.
Hold the Line: Thane, Mordin, Tali --> Mordin and Tali die
Final Boss: Garrus, Miranda --> Miranda dies

After the Mission
Recruit Zaeed, take the paragon path on his loyalty mission, leave him to burn.

Death Roundup
Jack -- death by exploding console
Kasumi -- death by exploding engine
Jacob -- death by rocket to face
Samara -- died escorting the crew
Legion -- carried away by seeker swarms
Grunt -- died at the second door
Mordin -- tell them he held the line
Tali -- died holding the line
Miranda -- death by fallen debris
Zaeed -- left to burn, the son of a ****

Final Squadmates: Garrus and Thane

Modifié par Pacifien, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Icinix]

Everytime I view this thread it amazes me the quad you brave few have.



I can't get more than two lines into renegade without choking and quitting.

I salute you good sirs / madams / others.

[KenLyns]

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Modifié par KenLyns, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Darkon_X]

Ecael wrote...

an Asari succubus.

LOL I Never looked at her that way, that's awesome

Also good luck with being the loneliest Shepard when ME3 comes out .  I'm gonna have to try and kill everyone in the future.

Can't Dr Chakwas die as well?

Modifié par Darkon_X, 27 octobre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Cyberfrog81]

Only with no crew escort.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Is it possible to complete all the loyalty missions and have a "Everyone dies" run where Jack is killed as the second team fire squad leader? I am in the mood to be particularly cruel to her by pursuing a romance and than having her die, although I wish for Shepard to die as well.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Is it possible to complete all the loyalty missions and have a "Everyone dies" run where Jack is killed as the second team fire squad leader? I am in the mood to be particularly cruel to her by pursuing a romance and than having her die, although I wish for Shepard to die as well.

IIRC the only real way you would be able to have a 'all loyalty missions done but Shep still dies' playthrough is by not upgrading the Armor, which would mean Jack dies at that point. So to answer your question as a whole, no. But you could still do the romance, she'd just die at an earlier point. It's actually kind of poignant for her to die at that point too because Shepard whether in romance or not with her makes a big song and dance about not believing she is dead. If Shep is in a romance with her, it does make a lot more sense him doing that.

You would be looking at potentially the following scenario

All missions done but messing up Zaeed's (paragon route with no paragon option taken at end) and Samara's (you just miss out on the upgrades at Morinth's apartment AND Samara remains unloyal, you get everything else by messing it up), siding with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight and siding with Legion during the Tali/Legion fight (OR handing the evidence in during Tali's mission for uber cruelty). No ship upgrades done.

Armor - Jack
Shields - Legion (make sure to take Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus)
Cannon - Thane
Vents - Garrus
Escort - Samara
2nd Fire Team Leader - Grunt
Swarmed during Bubble - Jacob (use Miranda as Biotic and take Zaeed as other squadmate)
Final Battle Squadmates - Miranda and Zaeed
HtL team - Mordin, Kasumi and Tali

Someone in the HtL team will survive but you won't see them in the cut-scene and they won't help Shep up at the end, it will play out as though no one was able to save him (because you need 2 squadmates alive to get the Shep lives ending).

[CroGamer002]

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Modifié par Pacifien, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Pacifien]

Could leave Grunt in the tank, though. Then just kill Jack where you killed Grunt.

[JG The Gamer]

Did a Pro-Human run. Basically, promote all available human interests, and disregard all alien concerns.

ME1: 
-Sometimes I killed humans, if they were associated with aliens because I'm going for the aliens.
-Used only Ashley or Kaidan
-Killed Wrex
-Refused to give geth data to Tali
-Had Anoleis arrested
-Killed Ledra on Feros
-Didn't help the salarians on Virmire
-Killed the Council, installed Udina as Councillor

ME2:
-Shipped Veetor to Cerberus
-Did all human loyalty missions
-Used only human teammates.
-Screwed up Thane's loyalty mission, because that would mean a dead turian and I could care less about Thane
-Got Tali exonerated, just not the way she'd like to be exonerated.
-Killed Samara
-Upgraded Armor to protect Jack
-Shipped off Legion

During the suicide mission, the armor holds up.
Tali- Gets incinerated
Thane- Gets impaled

Chose Garrus for the vents, Jack to lead the fire team. For the lulz, and you get Miranda's opinion on that choice.
Garrus- Gets a missile in the face
Mordin- Escorts the crew back, doesn't make it himself

Biotic Walk, chose Miranda for the bubble, Morinth to lead the second fire team
Grunt- Gets carried off
Morinth - Gets shot

Final Battle, Took Miranda and Jack with me to keep the score high. Kept the Collector Base

Result: All humans survive, all aliens die.

[Mad Godji]

Just to come back to my experiments, starting IFF with an everyone recruited, everyone loyal team, I could never get more than one person (Mordin usually) dying while holding the line.

So I went back to an earlier save, didn't solve cleanly the Tali/Legion conflict (lost Tali loyalty) and this time managed to come out with my human only team.

Summing up :

All recruited (including Kasumi and Zaheed)
All loyal BUT Tali, losing loyalty after Legion's loyalty mission

No upgrades to the ship so that Jack, Legion (as Kasumi is fighting Occulus with me) and Thane die.

Garrus dies as a tech specialist with Jacob as leader.
Miranda as a Biotic lets Grunt die to the swarm.
Morinth as second team leader dies.
Chakwas, only crew survivor, dies by not having anyone take her back
I take Zaheed and Miranda to fight the Reaper, leaving loyal Jacob, loyal Kasumi, loyal Mordin and unloyal Tali holding the line
Tali and Mordin die holding the line.

All said and done, survivors are : Shepard, Miranda, jacob, Kasumi, Zaheed.

Modifié par Mad Godji, 28 octobre 2010 - 10:44 .

[KenLyns]

Pacifien wrote...
Could leave Grunt in the tank, though. Then just kill Jack where you killed Grunt.

If you don't do Grunt's loyalty mission, does the game consider Gatatog Uvenk to have lived? 

[Punjabi_Hitman]

Hey guys

I'm doing a playthrough with my renegade Shepard from ME 1 who is a racist pig.  I killed wrex, left Garrus behind, and didn't want to recruit Tali but was forced to.  I was real mean to her and Liara tho.  Is there a way to end the mission with just all the aliens ending up dead?

Modifié par Punjabi_Hitman, 04 novembre 2010 - 01:19 .

[Pacifien]

No, you'll have to be satisfied with being mean to them. Wrex, Kaidan/Ashley are the only deaths for ME1.

[SmokeyPSD]

rofl. Too funny Pacifien

[Punjabi_Hitman]

Pacifien wrote...

No, you'll have to be satisfied with being mean to them. Wrex, Kaidan/Ashley are the only deaths for ME1.

I meant for ME 2

Modifié par Punjabi_Hitman, 04 novembre 2010 - 03:26 .