1201 réponses à ce sujet

[Peterrrrr]

Im playing as 100% Renegade and want to play ME2/ME3 also as 100% Renegade. 
 I want to know wich squad loyality missions I should do and shouldnt do in ME1 to get as Renegade as possible in ME2/ME3.
 For an example, if I dont give the data to Tali or dont do her Loyality mission in ME1 will that affect my chance in doing her loyality mission in ME2? I want to do her mission in ME2 and witness agains her. 

Also I wounder if I can do her loyality mission in Me2 and still get her killed in sucide mission?

Modifié par Peterrrrr, 14 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[LoganofET]

What does (If any thing) N7 Lost operative do in ME3?

....who the hell am I kidding?

[Peterrrrr]

In renegade views is there any renegade things I can do in helping Emily Wong?

[Harbinger1985HU]

Nice post from the OP, I'm almost luagh myself to the death. XD
A few months I'm tried something similar with a Lazy Shepard, Earthborn and Ruthless to make sure he gets the max Renegade points and zero Paragon points. Well, I killed everyone who can be killed. Even poor Chorban, Shiala, Parsini and Anoleias, etc. But I don't talk Conrad, just tell him go away. I know, this way he will die.

In 2 it was hard or almost impossible to make a 100% Renegade 0% Paragon character - and the opposite. Anyway, I make sure Tali get exiled, but it been caused by accident: I don't have enough Renegade points for intimate. So Tali incinerated in the engine room. Many others died, can't remember, because I didn't care. I want to be evil. Oh, and I doesn't have any romance with no one!

[Zgred2]

Hi everyone, here's my take at the worst possible import for ME3 It's a bit updated rendition of Ecael's one that's stickied in Pacifien's Suicide Mission Guide

-----------------
Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Thane, Morinth (Crew: Total Loss)
-----------------

Loyals: Kasumi, Jack, Thane, Jacob, Garrus, Mordin, Morinth
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali
Died/Not Activated: Zaeed, Grunt, Legion
Normandy Upgrades: Thanix Cannon

-Side with Jack in the Jack/Miranda fight
-Don't activate Grunt or Legion
-Recruit Zaeed and then kill him on his mission
-Upgrade Cannon to save Thane
-Traumatize/Betray Tali
-Kill Samara

Oculus Team: Thane/Morinth
Tech Specialist: Jacob
Fire Team Leader: Thane
Biotic Specilist: Thane
Fire Team 2 Leader: Mordin
Escort: None
Final boss squadmates: Morinth/Miranda

Deaths:
Samara - Killed by Shepard and Morinth
Zaeed - Killed by Shepard on Zorya
Grunt - never lived (sour)
Legion - sold to Cerberus, Heretics overwrite Good Geth
Jack - No Armor Upgrade
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade
Jacob - Wrong Tech Specialist
Garrus - Wrong Biotic Specilist
Mordin - Bad Fire Team Leader
Crew: No Escort
Miranda: Not Loyal at Final Boss
Tali: Died Holding the Line

If I remember correctly Thane and Morinth have it worst off in ME3 (from what I've read, haven't played yet). This doesn't let you do Grunt's or Legion's loyalty missions, but selling them/letting them rot seems more evil

Modifié par Zgred2, 20 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[Peterrrrr]

Soon Im going to begin to play ME2 with my ME1 Renegade Shepard.

So I wounder if it is possible to have only Shepard, Morith and Thane to Survive Suicide Mission?

[Peterrrrr]

Ecael wrote...

Just finished a playthrough with ALL 11 loyalty missions completed and only 2 squadmates (Thane and Morinth) and no crew remaining:

-----------------
Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Thane, Morinth (Entire crew DEAD)
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Morinth, Legion
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Leave these quests for after the final mission:
   -Thane Recruitment
   -Thane Loyalty
   -Zaeed Loyalty
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for Tali's loyalty mission
-After the final mission, recruit Thane, kill off Zaeed in his loyalty mission, then do Thane's loyalty mission

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Morinth
Biotic - Miranda (had Grunt and Tali, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Tali (both die)
Distraction Team - Morinth and Zaeed

Deaths:
Samara - Slain by Morinth
Jack - No Shield Upgrade, died by laser beam
Legion - No Armor Upgrade, incinerated
Garrus - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Grunt - Taken by seeker swarm
Mordin - Shot while closing second door
Tali - Died at final boss
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Left him to die in the fire he started

Assuming Thane dies and Morinth gets killed/leaves because she continuously wants unsafe sex, the only remaining people on board the Normandy SR-2 for Mass Effect 3 will be Shepard and Joker.

Im going to play like you did, I want that outcome BUT Im going to play with Kasumi and she isnt on your gameplay, how should I do to make her to dont survive the Suicide mission? I want only Mortith and Thane still alive.

[Abraham_uk]

Peterrrrr wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Just finished a playthrough with ALL 11 loyalty missions completed and only 2 squadmates (Thane and Morinth) and no crew remaining:

-----------------
Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Thane, Morinth (Entire crew DEAD)
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Morinth, Legion
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Leave these quests for after the final mission:
   -Thane Recruitment
   -Thane Loyalty
   -Zaeed Loyalty
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for Tali's loyalty mission
-After the final mission, recruit Thane, kill off Zaeed in his loyalty mission, then do Thane's loyalty mission

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Morinth
Biotic - Miranda (had Grunt and Tali, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Tali (both die)
Distraction Team - Morinth and Zaeed

Deaths:
Samara - Slain by Morinth
Jack - No Shield Upgrade, died by laser beam
Legion - No Armor Upgrade, incinerated
Garrus - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Grunt - Taken by seeker swarm
Mordin - Shot while closing second door
Tali - Died at final boss
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Left him to die in the fire he started

Assuming Thane dies and Morinth gets killed/leaves because she continuously wants unsafe sex, the only remaining people on board the Normandy SR-2 for Mass Effect 3 will be Shepard and Joker.

Im going to play like you did, I want that outcome BUT Im going to play with Kasumi and she isnt on your gameplay, how should I do to make her to dont survive the Suicide mission? I want only Mortith and Thane still alive.

Worst possible outcome was similiar to best possible outcome before extended cut.

After extended cut, there were some notable differences. But not enough to make butchering your suicide squad and part of your ME 3 squad.

You're left with

EDI
Liara T'Soni
Javik
James Vega
Kaidan/Ashley (but if you continue to play in that dubious fashion, virmire surivior dies too)


So that's 4. Oh and to be as horrible as possible, only 3 left by the time the game ends, because Javik, James Vega and Liara T'Soni can't die.

[pmac_tk421]

But if you had Kasumi alive then you would automatically get both the hanar and the spectres.

Modifié par pmac_tk421, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:17 .

[KBABZ]

I know this hasn't been updated in a LONG time, but I'm trying to get Morinth and Miranda as the only survivors of the Suicide Mission.

I deem this the worst possible playthrough because of the repercussions it'll have in ME3; Morinth flees and becomes a Banshee, while Miranda is able to be killed on Sanctuary and otherwise has very little impact on the story outside of this (as a comparison, if Kasumi lives, she helps out in the Hanar mission on the Citadel, and can stay as a War Asset).

The idea of my current playthrough of the Trilogy is to be the most Renegade-est playthrough, killing or injuring everybody even when better options are available. In the case of the Suicide Mission the idea is to have the only two survivors be the two characters with the least impact on ME3. Morinth is obvious, but the other character to have survive is trickier. I picked Miranda because she doesn't have a replacement character and has the possibility of being killed on Sanctuary even if you have done everything right.

Anyone able to help me out?

[Harbinger1985HU]

I just subscribed to this thread and saw your post KBABZ.

I didn't make the worst play through, yet. But played many style. What I know about Miranda faiths in ME3 so far:
- Help her give her the data she needs, be loyal in ME2 and she survive Sanctuary
- Don't give her the date what she needs and she will die in the fight with Kai Leng/her father
- Help her all the way, but in Sanctuary don't use Paragon/Renegade choices nor interruption, she will die

Doesn't matter what you do she will push her father through the window all the time, very dramatic. I still doesn't have a game where Miranda dies in ME2.

[KBABZ]

Reporting back with my results. As it turns out, my above method DID NOT work; I forgot that with just two  characters left you need to have their average score be a flat 0 for them to both die; with Mordin giving a 1 and disloyal Tali a 0 that made for 0.5, and Mordin lived. To solve the issue you need to avoid awakening Grunt after Dossier: The Warlord. That way you can send Mordin in to be the second Fireteam leader and have Tali be the only one left to hold the line (which makes for quite an awkward final speech).

So, here's the guide for the Worst Possible ME2 Import:



===Worst ME3 Import Suicide Mission Guide ===
== Things done before Suicide Mission ==

• Grunt not awakened after Dossier: The Warlord
• Legion sold (his Loyalty Mission gives less cash than selling him and the Research Data there only benefits Legion)
• Tali traumatized through flagrant court abuse (no Loyalty)
• Armour, Shield and Cannon upgraded for the Normandy are NOT purchased.

== Suicide Mission sequence of events ==

• Jack is killed through Armour failure
• Kasumi killed through Shield failure
• Thane killed through Cannon failure
• Jacob is Vent Specialist, gets killed
• Miranda is Shield-lady for Long Walk, Garrus killed
• Mordin is leader of the fire team, gets killed
• No escort for remaining crew, crew gets killed
• Loyal Morinth and Loyal Miranda are Squad Mates for Human Reaper Larvae. Allow Shepard to live afterwards
• Disloyal Tali is left behind. With an average of 0, she dies
• Zaeed later met on Omega and becomes a Rare to Medium Rare species
  
• In ME3, Morinth will leave and join the Banshee Bingo Club. Miranda will investigate Oriana and, through a series of unfortunate events, wind up getting killed either by Kai Leng or get shot by her father.

Modifié par KBABZ, 14 avril 2013 - 03:41 .

[Darkside Dracula]

I thought that if you had Vega and Liara on the ground with you as you assaulted the teleporter they would be killed by Harbinger if you had a low enough Effective Military Strength. Then you choose "Destroy" and that kills EDI.

And if you tell Javik to use the Echo Shard, he kills himself when the whole thing's over.

My Renegade Run is going to have no survivors from Shepard's crew.

[Jasonite75]

Can I just say? I love this thread! I'm not sure if we've arrived at the perfect formula yet, but I'm confident we can get there.

[VampireSoap]

Funny that it turns out none of this will matter in the end  :happy:

[Argentoid]

VampireSoap wrote...

Funny that it turns out none of this will matter in the end  :happy:

*facedesk*

Go play The Walking Dead where your choices REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY matter.

Modifié par Argentoid, 03 mai 2013 - 02:36 .

[VampireSoap]

Argentoid wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Funny that it turns out none of this will matter in the end  :happy:

*facedesk*

Go play The Walking Dead where your choices REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY matter.

Yeah, game after game, they lied to us about the freedom of choice...I got so disappointed when I found out Carley or Dough dies at the exact same point in the story, I was like, "not again!!" But the story telling itself in the walking dead the game is really good, so they kinda make up for it. Still, lying to customers isn't exactly the best way to exploit them again, ahem, I mean to have them returen for your product. If you think about it, Witcher II is actually the only game that's kept its promises. It's simple, you get DIFFERENT ENDINGS in Witcher II, not just some half-assed blue, green, red multi-color endings or the exact same walking dead scene with slightly different dialogues...

[KBABZ]

To be honest, the Mass Effect saga as a whole didn't really give you a lot of opportunities to truly affect the game world, outside of the Tuchanka and Rannoch missions in 3 My favourite example is the character pre-history you pick in the first game; outside of dialogue and an a unique mission it's completely unimportant to the gameplay.

At the end of the day you're still doing the same things at the same locations for the same reasons no matter what decisions you make. That being said, I think Bioware were banking on the fandom coming up with their own epilogue adventures for after the story's finished when they wrote the ending, given the fans high initiative and imagination about the characters beforehand through 1 and 2.

As for the Worst Possible Playthrough, as far as I can tell the worst import you could have is to survive with just Morinth and an unloyal Zaeed so you can kill him in his Loyalty Mission, leaving Morinth to leave at the start of 3. Following my guide above (with the exception of picking up Zaeed from Omega), you would leave Zaeed with the "Hold the Line" group while you take Morinth and Tali with you to fight the Proto-Reaper. Since Zaeed would be the only one in the Hold the Line group and has a rating of 3 when unloyal, he lives. When you take Tali with you, she dies after the platform crash because she'll be unloyal (you presented the evidence against her father if you followed the guide). Since Zaeed lived, he will be there with Morinth to help Shepard survive onto the ship!

DING DING! I found it!

As far as the worst playthrough for Mass Effect 3, my thinking is that you need to play normally and do all the side missions you can in your first playthrough so you can pick up all the weapons and mods and credits and XP, saving the proper worst playthrough for a New Game +. In that playthrough, you would skip ALL the side missions to keep your EMS down. This would also result in the Tuchanka bomb going off. On top of that you could make sure Wrex survives Mass Effect 1 and then betray him in 3, because that will reduce your EMS even lower than if you sabotaged it under Wreav's rule.

Modifié par KBABZ, 06 mai 2013 - 09:16 .

[paul299]

 Hi I need a little bit of help.

I'm going through the game for a 2nd time doing a renegade playthrough and want to get an outcome like the opening post (only Kasumi and Morinth surviving). 
The problem is I have completed all recruitment missions except Zaeed, done every N7 mission and done everyone's loyalty mission except for Legion's because I can't seem to start that and therefore can't activate the Reaper IFF and continue the story.
I have found that if I go to Omega and recruit Zaeed the next time I go to the galaxy map it triggers the Reaper IFF activation but I was wondering how having Zaeed with me on the suicide mission will affect the outcome of who survives?

In summary can I get an outcome of only Morinth and Kasumi surviving going into the suicide mission with the following choices:
Everyone recruited and everyone loyal except for Miranda, Tali and Zaeed. Because of where my save point is I could make Zaeed and/or Legion loyal before I go through the Omega 4 relay.

Any help would be greatly appreciated?

i should also mention I haven't upgraded any of the ships armour or gcanons.

Modifié par paul299, 11 mai 2013 - 03:36 .

[paul299]

And I also forgot that if possible I'd like all the crew, especially Dr Chakwas to die as well if that's possible with the choices I've made so far.

[WNxPowder]

The Suicide mission Survival Guide is very helpful, in doing everything right or wrong.

I would save Wrex in ME1 so you can betray him in ME3
Kill Rachni Queen,save Rachni Drone
Save either Tali,Thane,Miranda,Samara,Legion,Mordin,Non-loyal Grunt or NL Zaeed,because they all can die in ME3.
kill the VS
also skip all DLCs
Take Liara and James on the final beam run, just so they die,and destroy EDI in the ending.
Everyone but Joker and Tray-tray survives

[Harbinger1985HU]

I always wondered how to make a worst possible playthrough. Skip all the none story related missions and just rush, don't buy any upgrades, new stuff, upgrade the ship, etc. Or simply be a Renegade or just choose the bottom line at right - that's always products the worst solution.
Anyway, I have a perfect ME1 save for a totally Renegade pro-human Shepard. I'll try to recall what I did and how:
- hit the reporter (sorry, after 3 years I still can't write down her name:D)
- be a jerk against the Council every time, disconnects the com
- killed Chorban
- killed the Rachni Queen and everyone else on Noveria
- Parsini and Anoleias are killed each other
- blackmail who can be on Noveria or kill
- killed all the colonist on Feros, killed Shiala
- be a jerk the surviving colonists on Feros
- let Conrad do what he wants, don't talk with him
- killed Chorban, blackmailed the Volus
- killed Fist, don't give the data to the report and be renegade against her
- don't give Tali the geth data, be renegade towards her all the time
- I don't pick-up Wrex, just left him in Chora's Den
- killed the Warlord
- don't survey any resource
- be a jerk against Hackett all the time he want you to do some Alliance mission
- be rude against all your team member
- Jenna's mission help her, but kill the mercs and be a jerk against the Turian (and all Turian, even Garus)
- don't even try to help Kirahee team on Virmire
- killed everyone on Virmire, left Ash behind - she doesn't your or Normandy crew anyway
- let the Council die than say you do that because the human dominance

Well, this the major plots which affects a few things in ME2 then toward to ME3. I made that playthrough 100% Renegade and I don't get a single Paragon point.
In ME2, which isn't complete, since I don't own that time all the DLC are this:

- be a jerk against everyone, again
- let take Veetor to interrogation
- killed the Batarians who capture Mordin assistant, be a jerk toward Mordin
- killed everyone on Omega, let the Patriarch die, the young merc boy and the Salarian dealers
- on Horizon be a jerk against everyone, especially Kaiden
- tell Miranda it's your ship and you're the boss, tell them to turn off EDI
- tell Kelly she's naive and stay away from you, you don't need a shrink
- just be renegade against every team member in every conversation, partially support Mordin work on the Genophage modification
- let Grunt stay his pod
- let Zaeed make his revenge and let die everyone in the facility
- choose Morinth on Samara loyality mission, blackmail the Volus on Samara recruit mission
- killed Jacob father
- let Garus be merciless on his mission, left him alone when you recruit him
- killed Koliat hostage on Thane's mission
- don't upgrade anything on your ship!
- make Jack kill Amish on Pragia
- don't say Miranda to talk her sister, kiss her later on Normandy
- Let Mordin kill Maelon, kill everyone on that mission, the sick Krogan too
- sold Legion to Cerberus
- tell the truth about Tali's father to the Quarian council
- killed everyone on side missions, use Renegade interruption to be more merciless
- hit the reporter, again
A little comment for the end: I was tried to kill Shepard, but I doesn't success. So many of my team member also survived
- Jack, Thane, dies at the attack
- Jacob dies, the Seeker Swarms get him
- the crew dies, sent them alone
- Mordin dies
- give the Collector station to the Illusive Man, call that the "right" decision

Maybe I missed something, that playthrough almost one and a half year old. Plus missing all the DLC expect Arrival, which doesn't effects much.

[Jasonite75]

Well, I tried a run only saving Thane and Morinth, but I underestimated the high amount of paragon/renegade you needed to have to overcome Morinth's influence during Samara's loyalty mission. Argh, it pissed me off to no end, because without overcoming her control you automatically choose Samara. This will be a problem with any ME2 plan that involves Morinth. I picked up Zaeed because I thought you'd be able to let him burn on his loyalty mission, but I didn't realize the only way you could let him die was if you did his mission AFTER the suicide mission. Luckily I was able to plan things out so everyone died except Thane and Samara. That's still acceptable, since Thane did and so will Samara.

My goal for ME3 is to have as few war assets as possible.

Modifié par Jasonite75, 27 mai 2013 - 04:09 .

[themikefest]

Jasonite75 wrote...

Well, I tried a run only saving Thane and Morinth, but I underestimated the high amount of paragon/renegade you needed to have to overcome Morinth's influence during Samara's loyalty mission. Argh, it pissed me off to no end, because without overcoming her control you automatically choose Samara. This will be a problem with any ME2 plan that involves Morinth. I picked up Zaeed because I thought you'd be able to let him burn on his loyalty mission, but I didn't realize the only way you could let him die was if you did his mission AFTER the suicide mission. Luckily I was able to plan things out so everyone died except Thane and Samara. That's still acceptable, since Thane did and so will Samara.

My goal for ME3 is to have as few war assets as possible.

Here's a thread for getting the fewest assets

I did a low ems run and was able to get 54 names, 4 will not show up on the wall, it only holds 50 if you count Anderson and femshep.

I also did the same run and got 51 names while still getting the breath scene