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[Sapienti]

Gemini1179 wrote...

All these arguments aside, could YOU, being on the council, REALLY take the chance that Shepard is wrong? You don't even have to announce to the species in Citadel space that the Reapers are real and are coming, you simply start putting forth procedures to build up defenses throughout the galaxy, under the guise of thwarting another Geth attack if need be.

In the end, I'm siding with "plot device".

Also, since just about everyone at BioWare says that this is their "Empire Strikes Back", the hero needed to be put in a bad place with few allies where no clear resolution would be the result.

Yea its clear its a plot device. But not a bad one. If I were in the council's shoes I'd be siding with Shepard and to hell with political blowback. But you can't know where a politician is coming from and why they tend to do the silly things they do.

Aside from that, theres the Shep working with Cerberus thing which is a justifiable reason for further reluctance.

[RhythmlessNinja]

MrVincent wrote...

The turian councilor needs a cap in his ass...that's all that matters.

^^^This. I turned down specter reinstatement every damn playthrough because of this ass. Most ungreatful bastard I've ever seen, next to Udina...

[Nozybidaj]

Sapienti wrote...
Shep working with Cerberus thing which is a justifiable reason for further reluctance.

Or as I said, an opportunity.  Having a Spectre working for your sworn enemy?  There is no way they should have been able to pass that up.  It would have certainly held water much better.

[marshalleck]

RhythmlessNinja wrote...

MrVincent wrote...

The turian councilor needs a cap in his ass...that's all that matters.

^^^This. I turned down specter reinstatement every damn playthrough because of this ass. Most ungreatful bastard I've ever seen, next to Udina...

Honestly I think even my hardest of hardcore Renegades would rather settle for ultimately embarassing and disgracing the Council in front of the entire galaxy. If you just kill them they don't have to deal with any consequences. It's an easy way out and frankly they're undeserving of such leniency.

[Nightwriter]

Yeah, it was a plot device. I just like my plot devices to not be so annoying and glaringly obvious.



And maybe there was justification for them to distrust Shepard because of Cerberus, but I still saved them. They shouldn’t be so condescending.



I still think there was more evidence than they made out, though. Or maybe I’m just biased. I don’t know. Maybe they did have good reasons. Or maybe I’m just fed up BECAUSE THIS GOD DAMN SITE KEEPS FORCING ME TO LOG IN EVERY 5 FREAKING SECONDS TO WRITE THE SIMPLEST POST AND IT’S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!

[Gemini1179]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah, it was a plot device. I just like my plot devices to not be so annoying and glaringly obvious.

And maybe there was justification for them to distrust Shepard because of Cerberus, but I still saved them. They shouldn’t be so condescending.

I still think there was more evidence than they made out, though. Or maybe I’m just biased. I don’t know. Maybe they did have good reasons. Or maybe I’m just fed up BECAUSE THIS GOD DAMN SITE KEEPS FORCING ME TO LOG IN EVERY 5 FREAKING SECONDS TO WRITE THE SIMPLEST POST AND IT’S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!

...my tv has been busted for a week and a half, how do you think I'm doing?

[BattleVisor]

Well Cerberus were evil bastards. They killed Admiral Kahoku.



It would have been a better plot, if the Council were undecided about the reapers, and were more concerned shepard was with cerberus.

[Nightwriter]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah, it was a plot device. I just like my plot devices to not be so annoying and glaringly obvious.

And maybe there was justification for them to distrust Shepard because of Cerberus, but I still saved them. They shouldn’t be so condescending.

I still think there was more evidence than they made out, though. Or maybe I’m just biased. I don’t know. Maybe they did have good reasons. Or maybe I’m just fed up BECAUSE THIS GOD DAMN SITE KEEPS FORCING ME TO LOG IN EVERY 5 FREAKING SECONDS TO WRITE THE SIMPLEST POST AND IT’S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!

...my tv has been busted for a week and a half, how do you think I'm doing?

You have my heartfelt sympathies.

I'm not sure I could stand my tv being busted on top of the irritation this site causes me with the constant log in problem.

[ReconClone]

I found the council completely incompetent in both games. They expect Sheperd to jump through hoops for them and do exactly as they say. Hell, the Turian councilor is obviously a racist. He gets pissed off at Sheperd for...well, being human and trying to help other humans. He's one of the Turians that hate humans because of the First Contact War. The council never gives you any backup, even after you bail them out. They won't listen to anything Sheperd says. They won't give you any equipment or resources. At least Cerberus gives you a paycheck after a mission. They supplied you with a ship,crew,weapons,and armor. In ME1 you had to pay for everything or use your Alliance equipment. Cerberus brought Sheperd back from the dead. The council couldn't care less. They basically tell Sheperd join the Specters again or they'll be enemies. They only like Sheperd as a symbol not as a person.

[GnusmasTHX]

marshalleck wrote...

RhythmlessNinja wrote...

MrVincent wrote...

The turian councilor needs a cap in his ass...that's all that matters.

^^^This. I turned down specter reinstatement every damn playthrough because of this ass. Most ungreatful bastard I've ever seen, next to Udina...

Honestly I think even my hardest of hardcore Renegades would rather settle for ultimately embarassing and disgracing the Council in front of the entire galaxy. If you just kill them they don't have to deal with any consequences. It's an easy way out and frankly they're undeserving of such leniency.

I'd just kill the turian, humiliate the salarian, and have my way with...err... punish the asari.

[Gunzwei]

 In Mass Effect you are investigating, challenging, and preventing a galactic threat.

Within the last 15 minutes the best kept secret for 50,000 years is revealed, the citadel is in flames, and Sovereign's fallen prophet Saren has undone what the Protheans sacrificed their entire race to prevent.  The only thing that can stop the impending apocalypse is Commander Shepard, first human Spectre, and the Alliance Navy.

In Mass Effect 2 you are making love, solving parent-issues, and preventing Kelly from dying.

Within the last 15 minutes the best kept secret of why a "human" reaper is never revealed, the un-mask tali fans are in flames, and two years "dead" has undone everything that made ME1's story epic. The only thing that can stop ME3's story from being just as uneventful is demanding the writers live up to the "trilogy" hype.

ME2 is a great game but I do not consider it much a sequel.

[Sapienti]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Sapienti wrote...
Shep working with Cerberus thing which is a justifiable reason for further reluctance.

Or as I said, an opportunity.  Having a Spectre working for your sworn enemy?  There is no way they should have been able to pass that up.  It would have certainly held water much better.

Then yo'd get the skeptics questioning how the council could so easily trust Shepard about being their man and not Cerberus but still not believing him about the Reapers. Seriously though, they don't know what Shepards deal is, their time with him was more than short, they just lost a Spectre they thought they trusted, and here they are with this new upstart Spectre with a sketchy past who died and then came back and is flying a ship given to him by Cerberus with who knows how much Cerberus interference going on.

Sure we trust Shepard and know it would be a good opportunity, but one of the things you learn about life is trust freely given is retruned with betrayal.

[Urazz]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

The council didn't believe you in the beginning of ME, doesn't believe you in ME2, and isn't going to believe us in ME3, hopefully I get to shot that freaking turian because he's a reaper agent.

For what's it worth they made him a Spectre again (if you saved them).

Which Anderson explains is to get you to stfu and go back into the Terminus where people won't see you.

If you let the old council die and pick Anderson as councilor, he'll still give you your spectre status back if you want without the new council's approval and tells you to try to keep your activities in the Terminus systems so as to avoid trouble.

[jasonontko]

Funny thing about the Turian council memeber in ME1. If you kill the Rachni queen, the Turian ask if you enjoy genocide. There was a response option that said 'Sometimes' but that not the really funny part. If you go and save the queen, same Turian council member attacks you for letting a dangerous species free that will be killing our children's children. Either way it seems the Turian has it in for Shep..

[Sapienti]

jasonontko wrote...

Funny thing about the Turian council memeber in ME1. If you kill the Rachni queen, the Turian ask if you enjoy genocide. There was a response option that said 'Sometimes' but that not the really funny part. If you go and save the queen, same Turian council member attacks you for letting a dangerous species free that will be killing our children's children. Either way it seems the Turian has it in for Shep..

Yea lol. It seems like the build of the council is the guy whos always busting Shepard's balls with his disbelief and hate. The Salarian who seems like he just wants to stay neutral. And the Asari who seems like she wants to believe but can't because her hands are tied.

I hate that damn Turian.

[KPnuts123]

This has been an entertaining read really.



Anyway it seems to just be a plot device for the council to stick their head in the sand and say well it's was obviously just the Geth. Reapers don't exist, Shepard really needs his/her head looking at.



I knew there was a reason my Paragon Shepard let the council die. It was that damn Turian Councillor.

[DemonSlayer_1]

I have to agree, I hate that turian.



At the same time I am glad to be cerberus, the alliance and council declared me dead. The council won't listen and I get no support from the alliance. Cerberus allows me carry out any mission I see fit, while the council would interfere.



Council is politics | Cerberus is action



I am on my second playthru, but I won't approach the council until I have legion's loyalty. I am sure if I take legion with me it will help the conversation. Maybe open up new dialogue or comments? Never know!

[joejoe099]

turain coucler= ass hole. asari counceler= mph salarian counceler=maybe belives you?

[RhythmlessNinja]

joejoe099 wrote...

turain coucler= ass hole. asari counceler= mph salarian counceler=maybe belives you?

Salarian told me something along the lines of "you better watch your back ****" after I turned down specter reinstatement so idk they were prettty quick to become my enemy.

[Abirn]

korraz wrote...

I said it, and I'll say it again...

Has anyone aside of Shepard, Saren and Liara ever seen the visions? No.
Have we ever brought a real proof to them? No.

What have they got?
Audio and Video recordings? Are worth nothing. Everybody and his mom will be able to shop some reapers in the video of the turian councilor (whos a jackass, btw.)
A mad half-machine spectre, dead, with an army of...geth.
A giant, extremely advanced ship, that resembles strikingly the Geth dropships. At least I thought in the beginning, that the dropships are parts of the big ships tentacles.
The advanced technology? Well, we know that the Geth made huge leaps on that and that they are pretty much ahead of us. And it's not even THAT advanced. In only two years we were able to analyse the main-weaponary, scale it down and put it on our own ships. So no proof there.

Their decisions affect the entire galaxy. They try to support you secretly. They reinstate you as spectre, so you can do what you want. I'm pretty sure they have their own investigators and they are setting up their forces. But they simply can't be sure. And, they are politicians! Everyone watches them. What good would it do to say "Yeah, theres a advanced machine race on the way and we can't do anything about it, so we are most likely all doomed." Panic. Chaos. Super-Awesome for the reapers. At the moment the people aren't ready for this. So they have to keep this up and work on something that solves that problem.
Mark my words, in ME3 the council will come to you and say "Hey, Shep, old lad. Glad to see you. Hey, we have that ship, over here. Super-Awesome ME-Drive. Impenetrable shields. Star-Destroying weapons. That sorts of thingy. Problem is, we only have one. How about flying around and bashing the **** out of people? Jolly, there you are. How about naming it Normandy SR-3?"

They accepted an audio recording that was potentially damaged as evidence of saren's treason.

And theres no reason governments cannot act on sketchy information  (See:  WMD's,  IRAQ)

[DemonSlayer_1]

What true purpose does spectre status serve in ME2? I mean on my very playthru I loaded an old ME1 save I had made where I let the council die. Bailey at C-Sec reinstated me.

I never got anything for being a spectre (No special dialogue or nothing)



For my current playthru I loaded a savegame where I saved the council



Then there is this "squad members will help you in suprising ways if you gain their loyalty"

My last playthru I has every single loyalty and I never saw nothing special.



"squad members will help you in suprising ways if you gain their loyalty"

So if I hold off until legion is loyal, then I goto meet the council legion will speak????

[AtreiyaN7]

Sapienti wrote...

jasonontko wrote...

Funny thing about the Turian council memeber in ME1. If you kill the Rachni queen, the Turian ask if you enjoy genocide. There was a response option that said 'Sometimes' but that not the really funny part. If you go and save the queen, same Turian council member attacks you for letting a dangerous species free that will be killing our children's children. Either way it seems the Turian has it in for Shep..

Yea lol. It seems like the build of the council is the guy whos always busting Shepard's balls with his disbelief and hate. The Salarian who seems like he just wants to stay neutral. And the Asari who seems like she wants to believe but can't because her hands are tied.

I hate that damn Turian.

Injecting a little humor here: it's the air quotes, the damned air quotes!!!! 

[Mox Ruuga]

Gunzwei wrote...

 In Mass Effect you are investigating, challenging, and preventing a galactic threat.

Within the last 15 minutes the best kept secret for 50,000 years is revealed, the citadel is in flames, and Sovereign's fallen prophet Saren has undone what the Protheans sacrificed their entire race to prevent.  The only thing that can stop the impending apocalypse is Commander Shepard, first human Spectre, and the Alliance Navy.

In Mass Effect 2 you are making love, solving parent-issues, and preventing Kelly from dying.

Within the last 15 minutes the best kept secret of why a "human" reaper is never revealed, the un-mask tali fans are in flames, and two years "dead" has undone everything that made ME1's story epic. The only thing that can stop ME3's story from being just as uneventful is demanding the writers live up to the "trilogy" hype.

ME2 is a great game but I do not consider it much a sequel.

The story just isn't very good in ME2. It's essentially a holding pattern do-nothing middle episode, during which the main epic plot doesn't advance one bit, and much development from ME1 is actually thrown under the bus. The council being one good example. The great moment at the end of ME1 is pretty much ruined.

[asaiasai]

The council is representative of the typical politician, it is a rule that once you are elected to an office you must report to have your brain removed from your skull and repacked in your ass. Politicians and executives pretty much have the same rules they must follow that explains alot imho.



Asai