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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Doomhams wrote...

Government dealing with a problem in the typical way governments do... deny there even is a problem until it explodes **** on everyone.

Indeed, this and what Korraz said, anyone who reckons it is bad writing clearly is living in a bubble from the rest of the world.

[Intelwolves]

Nah its worst than indoctrinated, its politics. Best way to keep others from going all insane is to tell them that is was a little threat and not the real cold hard truth.

[Benndak]

Nice to see we still have some common interests.

[Wintermist]

In Mass Effect 3 we should really fight politics then, because it seems to be far more dangerous than the Reapers. Politics leaves us not aware and thus not able to defend yourself. Without politics, we'd be all over the Reapers by now. And with Politics, we're caught napping.

[Wintermist]

Benndak wrote...

Nice to see we still have some common interests.

You lost your beard!

[tsd16]

I highly doubt the devs forgot how the council reacted in ME1. The way I see it with shep saving them, they were like sure, thanks for stoppin those reapers, but still really didnt believe they existed, because even before the final battle they said they thought sovereign was just a geth ship, in effect the council had no more evidence then than before.



When Shep died that was their free pass to take a big dump on the reapers being a threat.

[Doug84]

camcon2100 wrote...

Ok so at the end of ME1 the council is thanking you for saving them from the reapers. Now all of the sudden they dont exist. Could anyone explain what the hell happend???

Two years of Shep being dead and the fact all the evidence he said he had they couldn't find.

[ckriley]

Lord_Metal666 wrote...

Can't trust the council anymore, probably been indoctrinated.

In all seriousness, I never even thought about that and it makes perfect and total sense.  What better way for the reapers to begin a mass extinction of all organic life than to indoctrinate its leaders?

I honestly don't know why I never thought about that.

[Wintermist]

tsd16 wrote...

I highly doubt the devs forgot how the council reacted in ME1. The way I see it with shep saving them, they were like sure, thanks for stoppin those reapers, but still really didnt believe they existed, because even before the final battle they said they thought sovereign was just a geth ship, in effect the council had no more evidence then than before.

When Shep died that was their free pass to take a big dump on the reapers being a threat.

Ah, it's just a weak story, is all. The game's still fun even though it has story flaws.

[Benndak]

Wintermist wrote...

Benndak wrote...

Nice to see we still have some common interests.

You lost your beard!

No, no, I'm just an activist for another cause. Garrus needs to come back - besides, I'm still chief of the cult and I'm using my beardly charisma to make sure Garrus doesn't get the Duncan treatment.

[Wintermist]

Benndak wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

You lost your beard!

No, no, I'm just an activist for another cause. Garrus needs to come back - besides, I'm still chief of the cult and I'm using my beardly charisma to make sure Garrus doesn't get the Duncan treatment.

Ah, yes that's worthy! We need to keep Garrus out of the history books and remain in the present.

[Doug84]

ckriley wrote...

Lord_Metal666 wrote...

Can't trust the council anymore, probably been indoctrinated.

In all seriousness, I never even thought about that and it makes perfect and total sense.  What better way for the reapers to begin a mass extinction of all organic life than to indoctrinate its leaders?

I honestly don't know why I never thought about that.

Thats wholy possible too - in fact, I think their's a strong chance large parts of the Citadel have been partly indocratined by the wreckage of Sovereign.

[Benndak]

Wintermist wrote...

Benndak wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

You lost your beard!

No, no, I'm just an activist for another cause. Garrus needs to come back - besides, I'm still chief of the cult and I'm using my beardly charisma to make sure Garrus doesn't get the Duncan treatment.

Ah, yes that's worthy! We need to keep Garrus out of the history books and remain in the present.

Tali's pretty cool too. DEM HIPS and also the personality I guess

[Sapienti]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Sapienti wrote...

Its politics. A government figurehead is not going to announce a threat to the public without knowing how to handle it because it would cause mass panic. The best way to go about handling an unknown threat is to pretend it does not exist, to politicians thats a great idea. Wipe out all evidence and worry about whatever it is when you know how to do something about it in the mean time you send private operatives to look into the problem so if they get busted there is no political blowback. Not understanding politics does not mean the devs "went brain dead".

Thing is Shepard isn't asking them to inform the public... He's asking for help. Which they don't give in any capacity.

Still the same basic political concept though. They just want to keep their hands clean. If you tell the lie enough you begin to believe it or behave as if it is the only truth. It'd be similar to a CIA operative not getting support because he'd be a political liability.

Like I said, they have to stay clear and keep public interests in mind. They can't interfere in human abductions because it would seem like favoritism to some or meddling to others. Can't fund Shepard because he is outside of council space and them having a hand in anything there could be taken as hostile. It isn't to hard to grasp. And its stupid when people see this and say "wow the council is so stupid, the story is stupid because of that".

I don't agree with the council at all, but the motivations behind their actions are clear if you have even a little understanding of politics.

[Wintermist]

The whole idea of a council of 3 ruling is ridiculous anyhoo. And if, as you say, the council want to keep face outwards, doesn't mean they would stop their covert work. That's what you did as a Spectre, that's what they should have done now too. Send Blasto ffs.

[Ghostano]

I would say they would need a brain first for it to be dead. The council I mean just figure I should make that clear for some reason.

Modifié par Ghostano, 12 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[Valmy]

Wintermist wrote...

That's what you did as a Spectre, that's what they should have done now too..

Well they made me a Spectre again so I guess they did.  Just leave it up to me guys.

[Benndak]

I mean, I actually enjoyed ME2's story - sure, there were plot holes, but I found them to be overshadowed by the rest of the game's brilliance. Besides, the council may have their foots in their asses, but I chose Anderson and got reinstated as a Spectre. They did that, and it's really just politics - besides, Shepard is the only one with the vaguest idea of what a Reaper would be, and it did look almost Geth, not to mention the huge geth fleet backing it up.

[Wintermist]

We can do a comparison now, I like those.

You know the scene where you release Grunt from his tank and Grunt charge Shepard and slams him into the wall.

Now, Shepard's face is the council, Shepard's hand are all the covert actions the council has to use.

Grunt was looking at Shepard's face, and didn't see Shepard's hand doing all the work.

[Terraneaux]

Yeah, it's a bad story, but it's what we got. It just frustrates me that the Illusive Man is written the way he is, and that you don't get to call out Cerberus to the degree they deserve. *sigh* maybe in ME3. Hopefully Drew gets put back on lead writer and Mac gets pulled off...

[Doug84]

Terraneaux wrote...

Yeah, it's a bad story, but it's what we got. It just frustrates me that the Illusive Man is written the way he is, and that you don't get to call out Cerberus to the degree they deserve. *sigh* maybe in ME3. Hopefully Drew gets put back on lead writer and Mac gets pulled off...

Yes, its a bad story that a group incharge of the Galaxy would want evidence of a threat like that before acting on it on behalf of the word of a man who for all they know is being mind controlled by Cerberus.

WE know he's right, but the council have looked and found all the evidence Shepard pointed out either was inconclusive at best, gone altogether at worse (Vigil was offline by the time the council's team got to him).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There were several responses I would have liked, and since I've already seen some obvious rip offs from various movies in the game....

Councilor Pallin: The Reapers are just some myth. We have no proof of their existence.
Shepard: Have IQs suddenly dropped in the past two years?

And Udina turned into a real power hungry a**. I mean would have killed the Council to acknowledge the existance of the Reapers just in that private meeting? Instead it resembled the presentation by a Lt. Ellen Ripley concerning the destruction of the Nostromo due to an "Alien" lifeform. But this time we're going back to destroy them, right?

I'm on my second playthrough -- first one done with the colonist/ruthless Shepard: dead council; second earthborn/sole survivor: saved the council.

It was a bit fun punching out that reporter this time. And we got the CSM, but Martin Sheen instead of William B. Davis. And next time get that smoking animation right. Dang, I was jonzing for a smoke the entire game.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 12 février 2010 - 10:54 .

[Wintermist]

It's a bad story at all where 3 people are the rulers of the entire galaxy.

Modifié par Wintermist, 12 février 2010 - 10:54 .

[Kr0gan]

I hope that in ME3 we can make a press conference and expose all the Reaper crysis before they show up in the galaxy (political death to the Council seems more appropiate than a physical one)... that and clarify our relation with Cerberus.

[AtreiyaN7]

You forget that the Council was always like this throughout 90% of ME1. They ignored Shepard, nay-sayed him/her and refused to listen at all. They're politicians, so don't you think it's possible that what you saw at the end of ME1 was lip-service? I think it was meant to placate Shepard and humanity in general. If you recall, at the beginning of ME2 the Alliance has basically sent the Normandy out to the boonies to eliminate geth stragglers. They're ignoring the Reapers, and they want to hide Shepard away too. The behavior of the Council seems comparable to that of the average slimy politician as far as I'm concerned. It seems realistic to me and is not bad story wrting.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 février 2010 - 11:03 .