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The everyone-survives ending isn't as good as the coffin endings


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#26
Tamahome560

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Everyone lives ending is good. Shepard yet again has proved that he can pull off the impossible but when someone dies it does feel more emotional. The ending where Shepard dies is very emotional ... especially when he talks to the Joker for the last time.

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i particularily enjoyed having everyone alive....

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Nah, it was exhilarating for me to have everyone on my team live. I didn't know what to expect since I avoided spoilers, but I didn't want to get bogged down by Miranda's pessimism when she said (after Normandy crash-landed through the relay), "We all knew this was likely an one-way trip." My Shepard didn't lie down and accept the oh-well-she's-right dialogue choice. Shepard's reply was, "I'll do whatever it takes to stop the Collectors, but I plan to live to tell about it." I thought it was great that line rang true after the whole fight ended. Yessss!



I did lose the crew though, including Dr. Chakwa. *hangs head in shame*

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KroganPants wrote...

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Not really. Knowing that you defied the odds and brought everyone home is a lot more satisfying than seeing a pile of dead bodies.


I donno, seeing piles of dead bodies is pretty uplifting ;D

thats kinda morbid

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they shoulda had the choices between jack and miranda and then legion an tali be permannat, meaning you couldent convince the other to be loyal again and basically signing his death warrant



and is it me or can only one person die during the hoold the line sequence because everytime i hav played it only one person is shown lying on the ground

#31
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I got everyone out on my first try, and it was great.  Very rewarding feeling.  I do think some Virmire choices at the end could have added to the drama, but they also could have felt a bit cheap.  Given that the whole story of the game is preparing for a dangerous mission so you can have the best chance at succeeding, saying "even though you took the time to do the upgrades and secure everyone's loyalty, you're still losing 3 characters no matter what" would be kinda disingenuous.  I think it's either got to be a few "she dies or he dies, pick" choices or what we have now to work; I don't think they'd really work together well.

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DuffyMJ

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lmao, you guys are ridiculous. you're acknowledging that the ending is more emotional when people die, yet you're simultaneously trying to rationalize your selfish desire to have all your buddies survive.



i mean it's like, "man the movie Glory would have been so much better if Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, and Matthew Broderick's characters all survived the final charge, but yeah having them die was more emotional I guess."

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Don't most of the Normandy crew except for the Doctor and Joker Die at the hands of the Collectors

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DuffyMJ

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Shadow Wolf783 wrote...

Don't most of the Normandy crew except for the Doctor and Joker Die at the hands of the Collectors


No if you launch the Omega 4 mission right after they get kidnapped you save everyone.

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The nice thing about a game like this is that everyone can choose which they like better--coffins, parades, or in between. Regardless of whether you win, though, there were already a lot of people like Lilith who died. It's never a truly happy shiny ending.

I'm going to play the bloodbath ending once just to see it and feel the sorrow up close and personal.

I hope Mass Effect 3 gives us the same choice this game did. Let the player's decisions drive whether the ending is happy or sad or in between.

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DuffyMJ wrote...

lmao, you guys are ridiculous. you're acknowledging that the ending is more emotional when people die, yet you're simultaneously trying to rationalize your selfish desire to have all your buddies survive.


Okay, this is going a bit too far.  It's one thing to disagree on what is the better ending, but now you're attacking other people because their opinions differ from yours.  Not cool.

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DuffyMJ

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Adon 9 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

lmao, you guys are ridiculous. you're acknowledging that the ending is more emotional when people die, yet you're simultaneously trying to rationalize your selfish desire to have all your buddies survive.


Okay, this is going a bit too far.  It's one thing to disagree on what is the better ending, but now you're attacking other people because their opinions differ from yours.  Not cool.


yes, i'm attacking them.  i'm swinging a hatchet and stealing their pensions for my own personal gain.

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yea in my canon playthrough i only lost one squadmate, but i guess it kinda of balanced out from losing 3or4 squadmates since i lost half of my crew

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I witnessed both the ending in which some teammates died and the ending in which I pull my entire team through hell and back, and I definitely prefer the latter. Seeing my entire crew and team alive after that ordeal made me feel like a badass; especially after I told the Illusive Man he could shove it.
I tried to go for the bloodbath ending in my Insanity playthrough, but I still made it out alive. Didn't recruit Tali, Legion got vaporized when the Normandy's engines fried, Mordin got shot in the face while he acted as my improvised tech expert, and Grunt died when he got crushed by a falling pillar after we offed the baby Reaper. Both were not loyal: I didn't feel like going to Tuchanka on Insanity: a single krogan was tough enough to kill, but an entire planet with them seemed like overkill.

Modifié par Blue Ninja, 13 février 2010 - 12:14 .


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Wynne wrote...

The nice thing about a game like this is that everyone can choose which they like better--coffins, parades, or in between. Regardless of whether you win, though, there were already a lot of people like Lilith who died. It's never a truly happy shiny ending.

I'm going to play the bloodbath ending once just to see it and feel the sorrow up close and personal.

I hope Mass Effect 3 gives us the same choice this game did. Let the player's decisions drive whether the ending is happy or sad or in between.


Indeed, we can only hope.

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DuffyMJ wrote...

yes, i'm attacking them.  i'm swinging a hatchet and stealing their pensions for my own personal gain.


Hyperbole.  You're calling people rediculous and selfish because they prefer having their team survive while you find it more emotionally poignant for some of them to die.  It's fine to disagree with people, but you moved on to insults, which are indeed verbal attacks.  There's no call for that.

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Good points, i guess. I think for my "canon" playthrough I'm going to get all but 4 killed (including my LI), that way the end scene (where even if everyone survives you only see 4 of the survivors gearing up) I can control who is down there getting ready for the fight to come.

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Adon 9 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

yes, i'm attacking them.  i'm swinging a hatchet and stealing their pensions for my own personal gain.


Hyperbole.  You're calling people rediculous and selfish because they prefer having their team survive while you find it more emotionally poignant for some of them to die.  It's fine to disagree with people, but you moved on to insults, which are indeed verbal attacks.  There's no call for that.


Parabola.

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I liked getting everyone back and then giving the Illusive Man the proverbial Finger.

On my first playthrough I thought that Zaeed may die, since he wasn't loyal, but somehow he didn't.

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Doesn't really bother me, I expect some Virmire choices coming in 3. They have built up a lot of characters now, and the more they grow on you, what better to bring it to end then the epic conclusion?

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Everyone out alive is a bit Hollywood, I actually felt better (sort of) with my first play-through where three squadmates (Garrus, Grunt and Jack) died. if I ever finish it with just Jack or Jacob dead I'll keep the save for ME3.

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SharpEdgeSoda wrote...

I know what you mean. From a story tellers standpoint, death drives an emotion that makes a scene far more memorable. Everybody living is nearly as interesting as having a few die.

I had everyone live on my first run, unspoiled, and I thought "Wow...that was almost anticlimactic" then I came on here and found a lot of people having trouble. Lol.


Precisely how it was for me. But I felt like the everyone-lives ending was pretty cool too... and my Shepard's face doesn't seem too angry at the datapad... lol.

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Bah.

I think it's better having the cutscene of a bustling Normandy, full of vital energy and busy crew, than that of a grim and morose Shepard kicking himself for not upgrading to the Thanix Cannon.

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For people whose jobs in the real world involve dealing with all sorts of human misery, a happy ending where everyone survives for once can be emotionally fulfilling.



Perspective.

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Character death, to me, is unacceptable. To somehow I think, that I messed up somewhere or I let my team down, that it was MY fault, that's crushing. No man or woman left behind is my motto.