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[Palpatine77]

On my current playthrough, I took both Tali and Garrus with to Omega, because I'm going to visit Liara and I wanted for a moment to feel like I'm with the old crew again. So, Liara greets me..... and never says one word regarding Tali or Garrus. I thought I'd at least get a brief cinematic of Liara saying to them something like "Tali! It's been far too long!", or "Garrus, it's great to see you again!". Something brief like that, but..... nothing. It just plays odd meeting with Liara, and she won't even acknowledge two of her former teammates are standing in the same room behind Sheppard's shoulder. Not even a simple Hi.

Now, I'm not a game developer, and while the writers did a great job in many aspects oft the game, I have to wonder how such a simple thing like this would be overlooked while writing the game, because if I were one of the writers this would be one of the things I'd insist on including early on. It's not hard to include a 5 second "great to see you again"  line of dialogue towards the former teammates, is it?

[77boy84]

Garrus has half his face blown off, and Tali wears a bucket.



I'm not surprised she didn't recognize them.



Wrex didn't either.

[Blameless77]

In fairness, it goes both ways. Tali and Garrus don't say anything to Liara either (that I'm aware of-correct me if I'm wrong). It just has to be attributed to a lack of time/oversight on the part of the devs. It's pretty minor, but a little extra dialogue would have been nice.

[Torhagen]

You got a point there i was not surprised that Wrex only cared for me.

[Gill Kaiser]

Yeah, this kind of thing is the only niggle I have with ME2. There needed to be more squad dialogue all 'round, especially in specific situations like this. I guess it's the price we pay for having so many potential squadmates.

[DarkNova50]

Yet more proof that Liara has been transformed into a bitter husk of her former self, devoid of the tender feelings we came to love in her.



As for Wrex? ...he was always like that.

[BattleVisor]

Ashely/Kaidan acknowledges Garrus on Horizon

[Palpatine77]

Blameless77 wrote...

In fairness, it goes both ways. Tali and Garrus don't say anything to Liara either (that I'm aware of-correct me if I'm wrong). It just has to be attributed to a lack of time/oversight on the part of the devs. It's pretty minor, but a little extra dialogue would have been nice.

No, you're right, Tali and Garrus don't acknowledge Liara either, but the point is the same. The Developers didn't even bother to add in a 5 second "great to see you again" comment from anyone, even though you have teammates that literally saved the galaxy together and share a strong bond from that. Yet, not even a simple cinematic of them greeting each other? I mean, we get countless EMails from meaningless side NPC's we ran into in ME1 telling us how grateful they are we saved them, we just keep getting those notices all through the game to infer the depth of this galaxy, yet the writers don't bother to include a simple interaction if you bring your old teammates with? 

Seems the Devs spent countless hours writing up those 100 or so EMails from past NPC encounters, yet didn't bother to write a 5 second teammate greeting. Don't know how that could be overlooked, considering the lenghty development time.

Modifié par Palpatine77, 13 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[Computron2000]

Like joker said. they were your team and fell apart without you.



Its not like they were buddy friendly with each other. Liara even told Tali that she hoped the quarians were sufficiently contrite for making the geth in ME1. And ME1, i got the feeling nobody other than Shepard liked Wrex very much.



It would hvae been a nice touch if Tali or garrus threw a quip or 2, maybe something about Liara not contacting them to get Shepard's body back, which was done in the comic

[Kilo Trip]

I was let down by this, too. I purposely went with Garrus and Tali to see the reactions... but nada. Kinda weak if you ask me. Same for Wrex. We got screwed on those interactions. I was really looking forward to Wrex saying something like: "Still traveling with the Quarian, eh Shepard?" etc etc

[ToshiStation38]

I kind of expected her to say something about Miranda. I would have liked some interaction with Wrex, too.

[jlb524]

Yes, this is another shortcoming of ME2. New squad mates don't interact with each other, old squad mates don't interact with each other. It sucks.

[Lucazius]

I was also expecting some interation among my old squadies... It was so fun to see the line between Tali and Garrus in the Citadel (although Tali was a **** with him), but I expected more... Bit of a disapointment for me.

[HomicidialFrog]

I think Wrex's ignoring Garrus and Tali was on purpose just to be rude, from the looks of the Elevator dialogues in Mass Effect 1, I think it's safe to say Wrex hates them both. Along with Ashley and Kaidan, his relationship with Liara seems to be a love/hate but slightly on the hate side because she's an Asari. "What are the Asari looking for another friend?" -Wrex when Liara objects to killing the Rachni Queen.

[Forsakerr]

i also expected Liara and Wrex to react to Tali and Garrus like Ashley did on horizon with Garrus but it was a big MEH ,at least Garrus talks about elevator rides with Tali ...

[jlb524]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

I think Wrex's ignoring Garrus and Tali was on purpose just to be rude, from the looks of the Elevator dialogues in Mass Effect 1, I think it's safe to say Wrex hates them both. Along with Ashley and Kaidan, his relationship with Liara seems to be a love/hate but slightly on the hate side because she's an Asari. "What are the Asari looking for another friend?" -Wrex when Liara objects to killing the Rachni Queen.

I don't think it has anything to do with the characters (Wrex or Liara).  Bioware just didn't include much squad-interaction, period.   This goes for the new crew as well.

[Palpatine77]

jlb524 wrote...

Yes, this is another shortcoming of ME2. New squad mates don't interact with each other, old squad mates don't interact with each other. It sucks.

For me it becomes a tad bit infuriating because ME2 really is a great game on so many levels. It is a lot closer to perfection than most developers come close to, yet there's these (mostly) small things that irritate me beacuse they would've improved the game so much more. Maybe if a BioWare Developer were to read this they might say "it's a small thing, who cares", but as they say God is in the details. Not looking for a half hour conversation between the former team mates, a simple 5 second response ("great to see you again!")  would've worked great and made me happy. That lack of personal interaction or acknowledgement between my former teammates makes the game feel weird to me. 

Modifié par Palpatine77, 13 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[Knoll Argonar]

Liara has become an obsessed ****, in my opinion. Last 2 years destroyed her as a person. Not that I care that much.



Anyway, yeah, it was a little weird not to see them speaking or even reacting at all. Wrex... didn't care that much, cause he was always like that. Liara, on the other hand... But, anyway, in my opinion in ME1 every squadmate was there because you wanted them to be there. They never spoke to much each other. Just remember Ash's jokes about Liara, Liara's comments about Tali and Wrex comments about everyone else.



Oh, and Kaidan. That poor thing no one cared about in my team (not really, my shepard was the freak that kept kaidan away from the rest of the team. He's just that bad).



Glad to see that Garrus really seem to know who the hell Ashley was. Same between Tali and Garrus.

[jlb524]

Palpatine77 wrote...

Not looking for a half hour conversation between the former team mates, a simple 5 second response ("great to see you again!")  would've worked great and made me happy.  

I agree.  They didn't need to bro-hug each other or anything, just one line of acknowledgement a piece would do.

Liara should have acknowledged and been acknowledged by Tali, Garrus, and Miranda.  Wrex just Tali and Garrus.

[fortunesque]

It's really not Liara's fault.



No dialogue was written for it. I find this absolutely frustrating, along with the fact that Shepard cannot reply to Ash/Kaidan's emails and along with the fact that Liara barely acknowledges her relationship with Shepard.



I feel like there was minimal thought put into the cameos of Ashley/Kaidan/Liara. They didn't feel special at all.



Now Wrex's cameo is different. What's different from him and Ash/Kaidan/Liara? It's simple. He wasn't an LI.



Part of me wonders if Bioware wants us to forget our original LIs just so they can tell this 'awesome' bit of story when you find someone else. It isn't going to happen with me, that's for sure

[Knoll Argonar]

Bleh, but you have to understand Bioware position with this.



11-12 damn characters. To make all them talk each other... I think its not woth the time, if you ask me. I would like to have it, but I understand what happened

[fortunesque]

I understand it, but I don't have to like it.



I want to know why it was such a hassle to add maybe 2 sentences of dialogue.

[alickar]

i hope they put new/old squad interactions in ME3 then

[Palpatine77]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Liara has become an obsessed ****, in my opinion. Last 2 years destroyed her as a person.

See, I don't even feel like the lack of acknowledgement/interaction between Liara and Garrus/Tali is intentional, or character driven. It really feels like it was a lack of the writers including it. Even if Liara were somehow pissed off at or hated Garrus/Tali, she could still just coldly look at each of them and say "Garrus. Tali".  Or, we see her look at each of them, there's an uncomfortable brief silence, then she just addresses Sheppard. But there's none of that. No acknowledgement whatsoever, and it feels like the writer's fault, not the characters'.

[Satanic Hamster]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Bleh, but you have to understand Bioware position with this.

11-12 damn characters. To make all them talk each other... I think its not woth the time, if you ask me. I would like to have it, but I understand what happened

Heh.  Never played Dragon Age, eh?

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