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[Weskerr]

addiction21 wrote...

That there are no waffles in the future. I do not know if that is a plot hole but I do find it very disturbing.

That's a plot black hole. Good catch.

[Souai]

armass wrote...

I can think of a one plothole at least. How did Shepard get that reaper data at the end?

And I think the council or whoever examined/recovered Sovereign is really stupid. The very age of Sovereign would point out geth coudn't have constructed it, it is way older than 300 years. And this can be determined by simple tests.

EDI scanned the collector's base while you were storming the place to blow it up.

It's never clear why the council says they believe in the Reaper threat at the end of ME1 if I remember correctly.  I guess it's possible they were only giving her lip service considering all her actions afterwards were catered towards finishing off the Geth.  If there was no evidence of an incoming Reaper threat and the story was that Saren had to do something that he failed to do in the Citadel when he attacked the place, it's not that unreasonable to assume the problem could be fixed.  What could they do in response to some intangible potential future threat with no timeline?

The Citadel only has 4 million people on it and the Keepers handle all maitenence.  Does it make sense that they'd be able to properly salvage the destroyed and fragmented Reaper and come to a conclusion about its sentience and connection to other ships?

It's pretty compelling in a position of leadership with a bunch of other immediate and tangible problems to shift away from something much more inconclusive.  It gets really easy to believe that Saren was charismatically crazy and happened to come across a powerful ancient ship in remarkable condition and to think up and present a crazy story to gain the favor of the Geth and eventually believe his own delusions than to believe some super sentient synthetic/organic hybrids from outside the galaxy are coming to wipe out all life for some unknown reason.

The annoying logic failure is that Shepard never records his/her actions while investigating mysterious elements.  At least EDI's probably around in ME3 to make a better case from the Collector's data.

[adam_grif]

aaniadyen wrote...


Yeah, sorry about that. Been up for three days and I was confusing velocity with acceleration speed. I am an idiot -.- I need to stop doing **** like this.

Well I'm glad one of us is awake at least

Modifié par adam_grif, 13 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[Sidney]

t3f3r1 wrote...

There is no way they could have because the protection is needed for the prep to ARRIVE at Horizon, and the scene with the bug is shown in the briefing before reaching Horizon. The only place they could've gotten it is Freedom's Progress and even that is never directly addressed.

I assumed he sorta built it since they hd ther video and also Veetors omni-tool data because they never found "a" bug like that.

[GenericPlayer2]

I found one. In the Revenant description it goes on about how expensive and rare it is, and how there is no duplication. Well Warden Kirul (cant remember exact name) on Purgatory had one. Fine he is a big Kahuna in the Blue Suns so I will let that slide. But then on the Blue Suns "Disable False Signal" side mission you see one of the random guards outside the facility with a Rev!

[adam_grif]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I found one. In the Revenant description it goes on about how expensive and rare it is, and how there is no duplication. Well Warden Kirul (cant remember exact name) on Purgatory had one. Fine he is a big Kahuna in the Blue Suns so I will let that slide. But then on the Blue Suns "Disable False Signal" side mission you see one of the random guards outside the facility with a Rev!

They say it's expensive, not "its impossible to get". For all you know he just saved up a year's sallary and bought it.

[Weskerr]

I remember in ME1, if you have Liara T'soni in your party while speaking to Vigil on Illos, she asks Shepard if she could make a copy of Vigil's data concerning the Reaper threat from the Prothean's prospective. You have the option of saying yes, and Vigil allows it. There's no mention of that in ME2.

[Sidney]

Souai wrote...

It's never clear why the council says they believe in the Reaper threat at the end of ME1 if I remember correctly.  I guess it's possible they were only giving her lip service considering all her actions afterwards were catered towards finishing off the Geth.  If there was no evidence of an incoming Reaper threat and the story was that Saren had to do something that he failed to do in the Citadel when he attacked the place, it's not that unreasonable to assume the problem could be fixed.  What could they do in response to some intangible potential future threat with no timeline?

While they see the "ship" that doesn't mean much. I mean when we first see Sovereign in the game we assume it is a ship not a sentient being. The thing arrives with Saren and a ton of Geth so their conclusion is that the thing is a ship used by Saren and the Geth makes sense. I'm not sure how you prove, after the fact, that a machine was sentient and between the *boom* and the keepers who knows what sort of info they would have had left to make that judgement. There are eyewitnesses sure but the most important one (Shep) gets to be dead very quickly.

The fact that the human led council, if you killed the previous one, is so uninterested in vanishing human colonies - I'm not sure I buy the "f" the terminus system people attitude - makes not much sense.

[GenericPlayer2]

adam_grif wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I found one. In the Revenant description it goes on about how expensive and rare it is, and how there is no duplication. Well Warden Kirul (cant remember exact name) on Purgatory had one. Fine he is a big Kahuna in the Blue Suns so I will let that slide. But then on the Blue Suns "Disable False Signal" side mission you see one of the random guards outside the facility with a Rev!

They say it's expensive, not "its impossible to get". For all you know he just saved up a year's sallary and bought it.

I could accept that, except we are given very few examples of how credits are easy/hard to come by. For instance, the slave holder wont sell you the Quarian because she is worth several hundred thousand credits - But shep can make that much money! When you do the Ish sidequest and rat him out to Anto, Anto buys your silence with 2,250 credits, a paltry sum. I have no idea why my renegade shep would be satisfied with it, unless Anto makes squat to begin with. Without knowing exactly how expensive the Revenant is, I have to stand by my assessment that this is a plot hole.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 13 février 2010 - 02:46 .

[Garuda One]

Weskerr wrote...

I remember in ME1, if you have Liara T'soni in your party while speaking to Vigil on Illos, she asks Shepard if she could make a copy of Vigil's data concerning the Reaper threat from the Prothean's prospective. You have the option of saying yes, and Vigil allows it. There's no mention of that in ME2.

[Sidney]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I could accept that, except we are given very few examples of how credits are easy/hard to come by. For instance, the slave holder wont sell you the Quarian because she is worth several hundred thousand credits - But shep can make that much money! When you do the Ish sidequest and rat him out to Anto, Anto buys your silence with 2,250 credits, a paltry sum. I have no idea why my renegade shep would be satisfied with it, unless Anto makes squat to begin with. Without knowing exactly how expensive the Revenant is, I have to stand by my assessment that this is a plot hole.

Well maybe that guy got it a few years back during the ME1 timeframe -- there was plenty of money lying around and lots of nice things to find it crates just 2 years ago.

BTW, what did happen to my bank from the first game? I mean I surely didn't have it hiding under a mattress on the Normandy. Did I lock it all up in a 401k and don't want to take the tax hit to withdraw it now?

[Gill Kaiser]

Garuda One wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I remember in ME1, if you have Liara T'soni in your party while speaking to Vigil on Illos, she asks Shepard if she could make a copy of Vigil's data concerning the Reaper threat from the Prothean's prospective. You have the option of saying yes, and Vigil allows it. There's no mention of that in ME2.

I don't remember being given the option of saying yes to a copy...

[Vaenier]

Not sure if this counts as a plot hole: Why not put the Omega 4 relay into the sun so the collectors just couldn't come out and collector more people?

[Vaenier]

Sidney wrote...

BTW, what did happen to my bank from the first game? I mean I surely didn't have it hiding under a mattress on the Normandy. Did I lock it all up in a 401k and don't want to take the tax hit to withdraw it now?

They spent it bringing you back to life. That isnt cheap ya know

[Sidney]

Vaenier wrote...
They spent it bringing you back to life. That isnt cheap ya know

They billed me?!?! I knew Cerebus was evil but I had no idea they would steoop so low. That was a lot of omni-gelling I had to do to get that rich.

[GenericPlayer2]

Vaenier wrote...

Sidney wrote...

BTW, what did happen to my bank from the first game? I mean I surely didn't have it hiding under a mattress on the Normandy. Did I lock it all up in a 401k and don't want to take the tax hit to withdraw it now?

They spent it bringing you back to life. That isnt cheap ya know

Haha I can just see that conversation:

Miranda: Wilson is whining about his pay again. Are you sure we can't afford a raise?
TIM: I have put everything into this project Miranda. I'll check Shepard's finances and see if we can drain it into Wilson's account.

[Weskerr]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I remember in ME1, if you have Liara T'soni in your party while speaking to Vigil on Illos, she asks Shepard if she could make a copy of Vigil's data concerning the Reaper threat from the Prothean's prospective. You have the option of saying yes, and Vigil allows it. There's no mention of that in ME2.

I don't remember being given the option of saying yes to a copy...

You do, but Liara has to be in your party.

[Montana]

Not really a plot hole, but i think it's funny that the secret organization who's outlawed and wanted for terrorism puts their logo on EVERYTING!

Miranda and Jacob has Cerberus logos on their uniforms, The Normandy has a big fat Cerberus logo on the front etc.

Hilarious imo.

They're about as secret as James Bond, who always gets recognized within the first few scenes.

[The_Shootist]

Frotality wrote...

wilson betrays cerberus in the beginning and it is never said why

the whole squad piling into the shuttle for no reason just for the collectors to abduct your crew

and id consider your squad barely considering breather masks for dangerous enviroments a plot hole.

A case of unrequited love of Miranda.

[TudorWolf]

t3f3r1 wrote...


3. Going FTL to get away from the
collector base while at the center of the galaxy instead of ACTUALLY
USING THE RELAY. Again not so much a real plot hole as it is a major
oversight of logic.

I dunno about anyone else, but I've not seen a connecting Relay once you use the Omega-4. It just seems to dump them in the middle of space. Logically there'd have to be a relay there somewhere, but I don't think they know where it is, since you can't detect relays if you don't know where they are (Mu Relay).

t3f3r1 wrote...

5. Where and how Does Mordin Obtain even one of the Seeker swarm bugs? Somehow between Freedom's Progress and Horizon he just "ends up" with a seeker inside a glass container on the Normandy for testing? Samples and Data do not equate to "hey I have a whole live seeker to test on." The only place they could've gotten it is Freedom's Progress and even that is never directly addressed.

Seeing as the seekers are actually machines that just look like bugs, I usually assume he just built it for study purposes.

Modifié par TudorWolf, 13 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[spin156]

Coughee Brotha wrote...

 How did ashley (or Alenko) get out of the stasis.  they just creep from around the corner

Yup, this is the one that bothers me the most.    WTFO???     And, where the f does Mordin get his test subject Collector bug from?    Can you get those at the Illium gift kiosk?

[lltoon]

Why are the med packs on the Geth heretic space station???



You'd think that once the heretics moved into the station they'd clean everything out like how every other room. THEY HAVE NO USE FOR MEDPACKS!!!



and why is it that Legion can be revived using medigel????

[SovereignT]

Lol



medi-gel = medi-fail, they should had kept the old unity..

[newcomplex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

The fact that TIM went so far just to revive one guy, sure Commander Shepard is good, but just put Wrex on board. He's a good leader, probally a better fighter than Shepard and has centuries of extra experience and knows about the Reapers so why not?

Another reason could be that shepherd is the only person in the entire game with the Prothean cipher in him/her.    That information could be worth 4 bil.

[Ooga600]

Abirn wrote...

Actually the biggest plot hole came in ME1.

Your telling me a specter (and one of the councils favorites) couldn't just walk up to the control panel and activate said relay? The whole conduit had no point to it. Yes Saren used it as a back door for something he literally could have walked up to and nobody would have even said a word about it.

But would Saren by himself be able to just walk up to the council and take control? Security wouldn't allow that. The point is  that the Citadel is abandoned, and no one is in Saren's way. If Saren just started shooting up Citadel Tower by himself someone would kill him. He needed the geth for a diversion.