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Random pictures on the Normandy

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Horizon

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More random Normandy pictures...













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Random Illium pictures...

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Thane's Recruitment

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A couple more random Illium pictures...









That's it for now

[Andaius20]

very nice, do you have the code for the freecam?

[Inverness Moon]

Festi wrote...

I think the geth could develop emotions. Given I don't think they would be experienced like or even reflect human emotions. Human emotions are the result of things like chemicals, neural impulses and enculturation. Given that, I don't think any of the other organic races even expirience emotion in the same way humans do though we may have similar expressions like rage or curiosity.

It seems like the geth could develop something beyond basic computing and understanding of a situation as the grow to have more knowledge about themselves and other races. Knowledge can cast different light on different situations leading towards a culturally influenced idea of what is going on. Though I suppose for this theory to be acceptable you would have to accept geth as having culture. I think they do, personally, but I won't get into that now.

So I figure why not? The geth operate on electricity, impulses which stimulate their bodies to react. If they have cultural knowledge and relationships with others a decision could be pulled in a different way. Logically computing a situation with the information, ties and background at hand.

I suppose my evidence for this would be their strong belief in self-determination or the heritic belief in the old machines. These are beliefs created and perpetuated by the beings who hold them. These created conflict strong enough for one faction to wish to "brain wash" another. The galaxy is a big place and the heretics sure don't seem against going beyond the veil. They also have access to materials to create more platforms elsewhere. It seems like engaging in a conflict is illogical. Then there is Legion's questioning of how they became so different. Without emotion what need is there to question?

I guess I could say something about Legion's apparent "conflict" over the destruction of the base but I think I've already said enough to get me yelled at anyway. So there ya have it...

Electricity is simply a medium for the geth. They exist as software programs. If you could construct a computer out of some other material and/or energy then you could make geth using that too.

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

If you really listen to Legion's dialouge, it heavily hints emotion.

On his loyalty he seems to show some kind of grief about the Heretics leaving. The tone of his voice as he says "What did we do wrong?" like he's crying inside.

At the Citadel, Legion appears to be arguing with the Customs officer and shows distinct disagreement and a sort of mild annoyance when he says "Geth do not Intentionally Infiltrate."

His lines in the later part of the "There was a hole" conversation definately indicate some sort of fear of Shepard.

And the Heretics gained spiritual belief, don't tell me that doesn't require emotions of some kind.

Geth understand a lot of emotions even though they do not experience them. It is not beyond them to alter their voice to express what they would be feeling at the moment if they had emotion. They did similarly with the head flaps, no? Those are devices in order to better communicate with organics.

Or perhaps you're looking too deeply in Legion's dialogue in order do discern emotions that do not exist or were mistakenly placed by the voice actor.

Either way I do not see how it is possible for the geth to have emotion considering how they exist. Don't try to make the geth into something they're not.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 29 juin 2010 - 07:19 .

[Wiggs Magee]

Legion is epic =D

[Festi]

I understand your argument Moon and I can see how as a assemblage of programs geth could lack and never develop anything like emotions. However, I prefer to think, for many of the reasons I explained, that the geth experience something beyond pure consensus building. Emotion isn't just some singular thing that exists it is a factor which is created and then used to influence the actions a subject takes. A perception of a situation can be brought about and influenced by emotion. For humans this involves a lot of chemicals, I don't think that would apply to a non-organic species but I also think that for a sentient non-organic species there is more than just the processing of programs especially since more programs leads to greater complexity the influence of experience and "culture" would lead to different conclusions by different programs creating conflict.



I don't believe I have ever said they would have emotions like humans but perhaps I should clarify. Something emotion like, by which I mean an additional factor in the decision making process based on something other than what that program itself is. Something that factors in the beliefs, history, and knowledge of the race.



This is my opinion though and I respect your right to your own. I think the writers left it open to interpretation in some respects so that we could use our imaginations and form those opinions... that or they were just lazy . Anyway, I enjoy a nice civilized discussion. *tips top hat, adjusts monocle and sashes from room* ^^

[Andaius20]

michaelrsa wrote...

Hey guys, I just wrote this quick fanfic about Legion and Shep. It's got a little Tali/Shep at the end but mostly just a daw converstion between Legion and Shep. I'll probably also post it again when Kiki gets on.

Legion stood in the AI Core, running simulations and exchanging data
with EDI at pace that would require an organic to speak at a rate
several thousand magnitudes greater than their hardware could perform.
As fellow AI, EDI and Legion were the only ones who truly understood
each other. Among the organic crew the only individual who attempted to
have the same understanding was Commander Shepard, who would frequently
converse with the mobile platform.

Interrupting this moment
was the sudden arrival of the Commander, shifting the priority of
several hundred run-times to detection and analysis of organic audio and
physical communication. "Greetings, Shepard-Commander," said Legion.
"We assume that the recovery efforts of the SR-1 were satisfactory."
Several run-times took note that the Commander's hands were behind his
back, along with his shift in posture, it suggested he was hiding
something behind him.

"Yes, they were, I managed to recover
several dog tags as well as my old N7 helmet and parts of the suit." He
stated while looking over the relic soldered onto Legion's torso. The
mention of said helmet and fragments returned an unexpected and
incomprehensible stream of data from one of the platform's programs.


Ignoring this data, Legion began focusing on the next and entirely
unexpected part of Shepard's dialogue. "Have you ever heard of the
Wizard of Oz, Legion?" This question generated a tremendous amount of
activity between the platform's most advanced programs designed for
organic communication. Realizing they had no record of such a thing the
query was passed onto EDI who provided the relevant data.

"No," replied Legion. "We pasted the query onto EDI, but we have no
prior knowledge of it." Shifting his weight slightly John began to delve
into the story. "The Wizard of Oz is the story of a young girl who is
transported to the land of Oz when her house is carried away by a
tornado." The platform ignored the logical fallacies of the story
knowing that they were common throughout all organic tales.

"Along the way this girl, Dorothy, meets a cowardly Lion, a brainless
scarecrow and a tin man looking for a heart." Legion took note of the
emphasize on the man of tin and archived the data as Shepard continued.
"Anyway, these three characters all accompany Dorothy on her journey to
the wizard of Oz to ask for the quality they lack."

"After
defeating a wicked witch and returning to the wizard it is revealed that
he is not a wizard at all, but simply a very clever inventor." This
story was beginning to tax the geth's hardware, they were having a very
difficult time understanding why the Commander was telling them this.
"The wizard then revealed that each of the three had the qualities they
were searching for all along. They had all used the trait they thought
they lacked in helping Dorothy to get back home."

"To remind
them of this the wizard gave the lion a medal of courage, the scarecrow
a brain made of bran, pins and needles and the tin man was given a
heart." At which point the object behind Shepard's back was revealed to
be a small, red, heart shaped object cut from a hard suit. "I cut this
from a section of my shoulder plate I recovered. I want you to have it
Legion. You might not have been searching for a heart like the tin man
was but you proved beyond a doubt that you care about us." he said. "You
could have left us all to die in the collector base when you were in
the tubes, but you came through for us."

Legion stood quiet,
all run-times trying to come to a consensus on what to do when from
within the very depth of their code an order was given that overrode all
others. "Thank you, Shepard-Commander." they said, all in perfect
unison. Just then, Tali came in over Shepard's personal radio requesting
him to come to bed. Realizing how tired he really was, the commander
finished by thanking Legion again and giving him a quick goodbye.

As the door to the AI room closed behind him, John could swear he heard
the sound of a blowtorch.

for Kiaki from the Tali thread, so you don't miss it.

Modifié par Andaius20, 29 juin 2010 - 10:42 .

[Kikaimegami]

Andaius20 wrote...

for Kiaki from the Tali thread, so you don't miss it.

Awh! That's cute

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Drinking Legion =D ftw!

[Kikaimegami]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Drinking Legion =D ftw!

Hell yeah!

He's totally going to take up Jacob's offer of spilling some drinks on the Citadel!

[f03cqc]

A drunken geth sniper is a dangerous thing indeed. Btw I lik how a thread dedicated to supporting a video game character in the sequal is turning into an indepth discussion on the meaning and nature of emotion. Deep stuff.

[Kikaimegami]

Andaius20 wrote...

very nice, do you have the code for the freecam?

Damn, I missed this.

Bindings=( Name="NumPadNine", Command=" toggleflycam" )

[Kikaimegami]

f03cqc wrote...

A drunken geth sniper is a dangerous thing indeed. Btw I lik how a thread dedicated to supporting a video game character in the sequal is turning into an indepth discussion on the meaning and nature of emotion. Deep stuff.

We have a wide variety of topics here in the Legion thread. Everything from complex moral questions, to the nature of life, to wondering if Legion has a nice ass (he does).

[Kikaimegami]

[f03cqc]

Idk...I've always liked Legions headflaps more than his ass...it mite be cuz imma guy ;P

[Privateerkev]

Kikaimegami wrote...

f03cqc wrote...

A drunken geth sniper is a dangerous thing indeed. Btw I lik how a thread dedicated to supporting a video game character in the sequal is turning into an indepth discussion on the meaning and nature of emotion. Deep stuff.

We have a wide variety of topics here in the Legion thread. Everything from complex moral questions, to the nature of life, to wondering if Legion has a nice ass (he does).

Sounds like the Tali thread. Just with 1309% less spam... (yes I pulled that number from an orifice...)

[Kikaimegami]

f03cqc wrote...

Idk...I've always liked Legions headflaps
more than his ass...it mite be cuz imma guy ;P

Fair enough They are quite awesome, so it's okay to like them! You should join the head-flaps group

I've noticed recently that I have a thing for his hands I love seeing him do the different hand-gestures animations and have been taking an awful lot of screenshots of them.

Privateerkev wrote...

Sounds like the Tali thread. Just with 1309% less spam... (yes I pulled that number from an orifice...)

But the Legion thead contains 5000% more screenshot spam!

Case in point!

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Samara's Recruitment

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Miranda's Loyalty Mission

[Privateerkev]

Kikaimegami wrote...

f03cqc wrote...

Idk...I've always liked Legions headflaps
more than his ass...it mite be cuz imma guy ;P

Fair enough They are quite awesome, so it's okay to like them! You should join the head-flaps group

I've noticed recently that I have a thing for his hands I love seeing him do the different hand-gestures animations and have been taking an awful lot of screenshots of them.

Privateerkev wrote...

Sounds like the Tali thread. Just with 1309% less spam... (yes I pulled that number from an orifice...)

But the Legion thead contains 5000% more screenshot spam!

Case in point!

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Samara's Recruitment
*awesomenessnip*

Is it really spam if it is on-topic? Woo has ruled before that T-bombs on the Tali thread are ok. I guess that makes this an L-bomb. Would that make Legion the L-word? If we were on the Garrus thread we could have the G-spot...

[f03cqc]

THERE'S A HEADFLAP GROUP?! Well I guess the cerberus sig has to go and I need to go find my vanguard sig and the headflap sig...btw we wud need to finish up using the L-word before we can go hit the G-spot

[Kikaimegami]

Privateerkev wrote...

Is it really spam if it is on-topic? Woo has ruled before that T-bombs on the Tali thread are ok. I guess that makes this an L-bomb. Would that make Legion the L-word? If we were on the Garrus thread we could have the G-spot...

These are called L-strikes

I'm not sure what to think about "G-spot"

f03cqc wrote...

THERE'S A HEADFLAP GROUP?! Well I guess
the cerberus sig has to go and I need to go find my vanguard sig and the
headflap sig...btw we wud need to finish up using the L-word before we
can go hit the G-spot

Yup! Behold!
http://social.bioware.com/group/2174/

Modifié par Kikaimegami, 30 juin 2010 - 09:48 .

[f03cqc]

I am in awe of these fine geth headflaps. Is there a sig?