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[f03cqc]

(Perfect Insanity by Disturbed) MWAHAHAHAHAHA! "I'm Commander Legion, and this is my favorite store on the Citadel." O_O

[CroGamer002]

Legion Tribute by MsJeStaR

[Inverness Moon]

f03cqc wrote...

(Perfect Insanity by Disturbed) MWAHAHAHAHAHA! "I'm Commander Legion, and this is my favorite store on the Citadel." O_O

That is not what he would say. 

"We are Legion, and this is our favorite store on the Citadel."

[f03cqc]

Inverness Moon wrote...

f03cqc wrote...

(Perfect Insanity by Disturbed) MWAHAHAHAHAHA! "I'm Commander Legion, and this is my favorite store on the Citadel." O_O

That is not what he would say. 

"We are Legion, and this is our favorite store on the Citadel."

Good catch...we are impressed...

[thesuperdarkone]

 Why Legion is better than Tali:

[Fedowyn]

neubourn wrote...

Im sure he will be in ME3, thats why he was acquired so late. In fact, i bet he will be a plot device used to help recruit the Geth against Reapers.

So, campaign for him all you wish, but i think he will be in the game irregardless.

He got killed off in my campaign. I doubt he's comming back in ME3 considering that he's in a coffin abord the normandy.

[Inverness Moon]

Fedowyn wrote...

neubourn wrote...

Im sure he will be in ME3, thats why he was acquired so late. In fact, i bet he will be a plot device used to help recruit the Geth against Reapers.

So, campaign for him all you wish, but i think he will be in the game irregardless.

He got killed off in my campaign. I doubt he's comming back in ME3 considering that he's in a coffin abord the normandy.

Legion is a geth, that fact alone makes your statement less certain. If Legion had the foresight to make a backup of himself before going on the mission, you'll most likely be seeing him again in ME3 even if he died in ME2.

Those coffins are probably empty, btw.

[Pacifien]

There's definitely a backup of Legion somewhere, but how much of his time with Shepard has been backed up is anyone's guess. Last time I discussed it on the forums, most people assumed he would have done one last data upload before heading through the Omega 4 Mass Relay.

Legion has the best means for returning to ME3 as well.

1) Default ME3 playthrough - you meet Legion for the first time

2) Sold Legion to Cerberus - you meet Legion in a different body for the first time

3) Legion died during the suicide mission - you meet Legion in a different body for the second time

4) Legion lives during the suicide mission - together, you danced

[thq95]

Too bad you got Legion so late in ME2, he probably would have been on my main team.

[Pacifien]

I actually saved quite a few sidequests for after the suicide mission on one of my playthroughs specifically so I could use Legion more. (Allows you to continue with Legion's conversation tree as well.)

Then there was that playthrough were I got the IFF as soon as possible, but that was my disaster run on purpose game -- rather fun when it came to the bloodbath portion of the suicide mission, but rather difficult to do up until that point knowing how many missions I wasn't going to do.

Modifié par Pacifien, 06 juillet 2010 - 09:13 .

[f03cqc]

Geth work as a single mind. Legion isn't that one Geth with the N7 armor. Legion is the entire "Pure" Geth faction. In theory you could have an army of Legions provided he linked up with his brethern which is very likely since he was sending data from Talis omnitool to the others. So whether or not the Legion wearing your old armor is on your team is probably the only thing your ME2 run will have an impact on in ME3.

[Pacifien]

Legion isn't all Geth, he is a specific 1,183 programs. They share their memories with the overall collective, but they are unique as Geth go because they maintain one consistent network maintaining a consistent perspective through their Legion platform. Usually, the Geth mind is malleable, depending on the proximity of various programs networking. Take a platform with one program in one area to create a gestalt consciousness with whatever platforms are in appropriate proximity, then move that platform to a new area where it will connect to a different set of platforms to create create a new gestalt consciousness.

The only thing that makes all Geth one entity in the end is the expectation that all programs return to the mainframe to share all their data with every other program. There is no keeping data to one individual.

Even if Legion maintains the same 1,183 programs in a new body, there's no guarantee that Legion remains the same when we meet him again. His memories only go up to the point of the last upload and everything from that point is a different experience from what the original Legion experienced. What makes individuals unique are their experiences. Clones starting from the exact same point will start to diverge in personalities from the moment they go their separate ways. The Legion we meet in ME2 has a sentimental attachment to Shepard's N7 armor. A new Legion might not.

Also, it's said that if you take the exact same AI programming and introduce it to a new quantum bluebox, the slight deviations in quantum blueboxes mean AIs that share the same programming will still diverge. The EDI AI on the Normandy will behave different than the same EDI AI installed on another ship. I'm not sure if this affects Legion, however, because it's never stated if his platform contains a quantum bluebox.

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 juillet 2010 - 02:50 .

[f03cqc]

Good point. However I'm fairly sure that the Legion platform would perform in a manner almost identical to any other Geth platform after uplinking to the Geth Collective. That being said, the whole sentimental attachement to the N7 armor may be shared by the entire pure Geth race because Legion's programs have reached a consensus on that, and continue to hold to it, even after uplinking to the Geth database. That means the entire pure Geth collective have reached a consensus on Shepard. As for Legion's individuality, not all programs in that platform have the same opinion. The reason why Legion didn't decide what to do on Heretic Station was because the programs couldn't reach a consensus. He also doesn't always maintain the original "Legion" opinion. After uplinking to the Geth collective with Tali's omnitool data, he takes on a more hostile opinion on the Quarian race as opposed to the more forgiving opinion he had when he was first reactivated. Do correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, Legion's individuality is a confusing topic lol.

[Kikaimegami]

Just think! It could be possible that Shepard has a whole race of fans!



Actually, I'm pretty sure the Rachni are Shepard fans, too.



Two whole races of fans!

[Pacifien]

f03cqc wrote...
Good point. However I'm fairly sure that the Legion platform would perform in a manner almost identical to any other Geth platform after uplinking to the Geth Collective. That being said, the whole sentimental attachement to the N7 armor may be shared by the entire pure Geth race because Legion's programs have reached a consensus on that, and continue to hold to it, even after uplinking to the Geth database. That means the entire pure Geth collective have reached a consensus on Shepard. As for Legion's individuality, not all programs in that platform have the same opinion. The reason why Legion didn't decide what to do on Heretic Station was because the programs couldn't reach a consensus. He also doesn't always maintain the original "Legion" opinion. After uplinking to the Geth collective with Tali's omnitool data, he takes on a more hostile opinion on the Quarian race as opposed to the more forgiving opinion he had when he was first reactivated. Do correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, Legion's individuality is a confusing topic lol.

The Geth might know that Legion is using the N7 armor, but it's unlikely they share any sentimental attachment to it. Legion says the one unique element to each Geth is perspective. The Geth have his knowledge, but they don't have his perspective.

As for Legion's program not reaching consensus, Legion makes it quite clear that the Geth do not make decisions by majority rules. There will always be a consensus. Given time, Legion's programs will have gone through every scenario concerning rewrite versus destruction and come to one conclusion. The only problem is that Legion didn't have time, which is why he asks Shepard to speed up the process by making the decision for him.

Also, the Geth likely hold the Quarians in esteem, but they make no mistakes of the dangers their Creators still pose to them. The Geth have defended themselves without hesitation whenever the Quarians have attacked. The data in Tali's omnitool just demonstrates that Quarians still favor attack versus peace.

Legion's individuality is a confusing topic because he's an anomaly even among Geth. His network does not change. He maintains a single perspective for an extended period of time. He's in danger of losing his ability to function in the larger Collective, but this is dependent on Legion developing an attachment to his singular nature. At the moment, he still follows "we are Geth" mentality.

[Kikaimegami]

I don't think Legion even realizes that he's changing, or well, different than the rest of the geth. It'll be interesting to see if at the end of ME3 if he returns to the collective, or if he finds some way to remain as he is, possibly as a liaison between the organic races and the geth. It may be a subconscious decision, if that's even applicable, where he doesn't realize that he likes being how he is. Hell, given more time as a separate entity, it may simply become impossible for his programs to rejoin the rest of the geth without some kind of fallout.

[f03cqc]

I wish I had two races of fans...also Legion does say that after the old machines are dealt with, the Creators will "pay for their actions." If u side with Tali. (Only way to run a perfect suicide mission in the situation I was in lol) forgot about the whole individual perspective tho lol. And personally I think legions new mind frame will lead the collective into adopting a similar mindset.

[Pacifien]

Because I'm generally for the bittersweet endings, there's a part of me that would like to see Legion make the choice to return to the Collective without hesitation. Then it is the player, and by extension Shepard, who feels the loss of an individual. But I think that's the strength of the Geth characterization: they are not as we understand, and while they may develop emotion and soul in time, there's no reason that should lead toward a desire for an individual experience. Legion does mention researching known hive organic systems as well.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

There's definitely a backup of Legion somewhere, but how much of his time with Shepard has been backed up is anyone's guess. Last time I discussed it on the forums, most people assumed he would have done one last data upload before heading through the Omega 4 Mass Relay.
Legion has the best means for returning to ME3 as well.
1) Default ME3 playthrough - you meet Legion for the first time
2) Sold Legion to Cerberus - you meet Legion in a different body for the first time
3) Legion died during the suicide mission - you meet Legion in a different body for the second time
4) Legion lives during the suicide mission - together, you danced

Legion danced the dance of his people... Shepard just flopped around like a fish on the deck of a boat.

[Ecael]

Pacifien wrote...

There's definitely a backup of Legion somewhere, but how much of his time with Shepard has been backed up is anyone's guess. Last time I discussed it on the forums, most people assumed he would have done one last data upload before heading through the Omega 4 Mass Relay.
Legion has the best means for returning to ME3 as well.
1) Default ME3 playthrough - you meet Legion for the first time
2) Sold Legion to Cerberus - you meet Legion in a different body for the first time
3) Legion died during the suicide mission - you meet Legion in a different body for the second time
4) Legion lives during the suicide mission - together, you danced

Ecael wrote...

If Legion lives, he retains his regular model.
  - "There is a hole."

If Legion is sent to Cerberus, he escapes the facility after they fix him (like Shepard)
  - "There was a hole. "

If Legion dies, he comes back as a slightly retextured, undamaged geth.
  -"There is no hole."

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...
Legion danced the dance of his people... Shepard just flopped around like a fish on the deck of a boat.

Come to think of it, the Geth have been around as its own civilization for 300 years. For all we know, they introduced the dance of their people to some lucky humans in what we now call... the Robot.

[Pacifien]

Ecael wrote...
If Legion dies, he comes back as a slightly retextured, undamaged geth.
  -"There is no hole."[/color]

Followed by a sad sense of longing for his hole and the N7 armor that did not cover it.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

Ecael wrote...
If Legion dies, he comes back as a slightly retextured, undamaged geth.
  -"There is no hole."[/color]

Followed by a sad sense of longing for his hole and the N7 armor that did not cover it.

Legion's loyalty mission for ME3... return through the Omega 4 relay to get pieces of his old body back.

[Kikaimegami]

I would fix the hole, but leave the N7 armor pieces there.

[Pacifien]

Kikaimegami wrote...
I would fix the hole, but leave the N7 armor pieces there.

I'd install some spinners, some neon accent lights, and go-faster stripes.