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[Kikaimegami]

I joined your shindig forum. POST IN MY INTRODUCTION THREAD.

[Jake71887]

CamoBadger wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

I joined your shindig forum. POST IN MY INTRODUCTION THREAD.

AAAAAAHHHHHH.

Alright alright.


EDIT: Ummm...where is it?

Stop being a nub

[Pacifien]

So how do you think the experience of an entire heretic nation combined with the belief not to destroy all organics will affect Legion?

[Kikaimegami]

Pacifien wrote...

So how do you think the experience of an entire heretic nation combined with the belief not to destroy all organics will affect Legion?

I don't think it'll change him much at all, really. The geth might end up with a bit more knowledge about the Reapers out of the deal, though.

[Pacifien]

Yes, but the Heretics made it their mission to destroy all organics and their memories consist of the various means they went about this. And their memories inevitably contain the many ways in which the Heretics had been killed by organics themselves. What would it be like to see such anger from organics through the eyes of their enemies?

Legion says the Geth will not engage the organics unless the organics make it a point to engage them. He says whenever the Quarians felt like they had an edge against the Geth, they have always attacked. When you integrate the Heretic memories into the Geth, they will see organics actively engaging to attack the Heretics, who they view as being just like any other Geth.

Shepard says being bombarded with such memories could traumatize any other species, but Legion says he honestly doesn't know what it'll do to the Geth. He says they do not have emotions, and yet they have a very personal amount of respect for the land of their Creators. And Legion specifically seems to have a very personal attachment to Shepard....'s armor. So I think trauma is a very real possibility for them.

[Kikaimegami]

I don't think they'd experience trauma as an organic creature would, though. They'd be able to analyze the memories logically and understand why things happened the way they did.



Though, you do have a point about one thing. I think Legion's behavior shows the emergence of very primitive emotions. As a whole, they are quite infantile in their emotional capacity and that could be a factor in their response to certain things. Plus, I honestly don't think they realize they're starting to have these emotional-esque responses to things. They're evolving and don't really know that they are, at least in that way. It could be interesting to see what happens as a result of this growth.

[Pacifien]

I do have to wonder how far they take their own analysis of a situation. If there is a geth and an organic and a particularly difficult situation, the geth reaches consensus that it should be done one way, but the organic chooses another: does the geth relent? Relent and then have what it deems the wrong choice to be made. But if it acts counter to the organic, it risks retaliation from the organic. It's these situations that I think are the building blocks to certain emotions.



Of course, my scenario doesn't work between Legion and Shepard. The geth seem to have decided Shepard's words and actions are gold. Or at least, their interest in organics and Shepard in particular is enough to supercede any desire to act contrary to an organic at the moment.



As you go over various dialogue options with Legion about the Heretics, he mentions that it's not just the memories of the Heretics that are preserved, their time with Nazara that is preserved, but also all the advancement they had made outside of their quest to destroy the organics. But any advancements they have made are tied to the advancement Nazara may have given them. The Geth would need to analyze all that data, decide what isn't of use to them in their quest to build their own future. Not only that, but maintain an objective stance on the memories the Heretics are now give them: to understand why the Heretics went on their path of destruction, to understand why the Heretics were spying on the Geth. They have to understand all this, but come to the conclusion that their way of thinking is still better.



I think it's far more likely that even though the Heretics are integrated into the Geth with the new objective to build a future separate from organics, all of the details the Heretics have collected over the years is going to alter the Geth in some way.

[Kikaimegami]

Actually, I hadn't considered that. Now I'm wondering if rewriting them really was the thing to do. They keep saying how important it is to them to build their own future, but would they simply delete the things they learned from the Heretic's data if it was there in the first place because of Nazara? I know this would be really difficult for organics, but would synthetics have any easier time of it? Would they really simply be able to "forget" anything that the Reapers gave to the Heretics, or would some form of it end up in their total knowledge?

[Pacifien]

I think the Geth are trying to research technology outside of the technology derived from the Mass Relays and the Reapers, but it's inevitable that they end up using some of it. Legion has to use the Mass Relays to maneuver in known space. The Quarians, like every other spacefaring species, likely based all their technology on what they gathered from Prothean artifacts and the Mass Relays, and that includes the creation of the Geth.

However, where I think the Geth crucially diverge from all the other spacefaring civilizations is that they are not closing off all avenues of technology research. For instance, the humans created Jump Zero specifically to research methods of FTL travel before the discovery of the Prothean artifacts on Mars. As soon as they made the discovery, all research on Jump Zero stopped. For all the other civilizations, why bother finding new methods of technology when the Protheans (and thus, Reapers) have provided them with a very good baseline to start? The Geth have looked at this analytically and decided that's stupid (in a nonemotional display of the term) and they're going to do it their own way.

Anyway, I never rewrite the Heretics because 1) forcing your will upon others doesn't seem the way, even if the others were going to do the same to you and 2) just when you're getting to know the true Geth as they are, you throw a big ol' unknown into their mainframe.

[Kikaimegami]

Makes me wonder if Matriarch Aethyta would get along with the geth. She seemed to have the right idea concerning Mass Relay tech.

[Inverness Moon]

Kikaimegami wrote...

You bastards just gave me a mental image of Legion in a dress.

I'll give you the physical image:

I wish I knew who made it.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 03 juin 2010 - 11:08 .

[Kikaimegami]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

You bastards just gave me a mental image of Legion in a dress.

I'll give you the physical image:

I wish I knew who made it.

HEY... MY POKEMONS! LET ME SHOW YOU THEM!

[Inverness Moon]

CamoBadger wrote...


Oh my god Kikai...you made this picture better. I thought it was a cell phone.

Now I can't stop thinking about this idea that all geth just play pokemon in their free time.

Now I imagine the geth building a giant poke'ball instead of a death geth star.

[Ecael]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

You bastards just gave me a mental image of Legion in a dress.

I'll give you the physical image:

I wish I knew who made it.

HEY... MY POKEMONS! LET ME SHOW YOU THEM!

[Festi]

^ That is great. Ash would have a Pikachu. I bet Legion would have an Electrode... in fact maybe he already does and I just haven't noticed the grinning face on his little battle droid. That sure would be a cool picture... *wink wink nod nod*

Modifié par Festi, 04 juin 2010 - 06:19 .

[Zanramon]

Me to ha

[Kikaimegami]

*facepalm*



You guys...

[kraidy1117]

I wantz Legion dress!

[Kikaimegami]

Pink is soooooo not his colour.



He seems more like a Little Black Dress type, to me.