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[Mordin Solus]

I think the reason he keeps it, is so he can remodify it just incase the Krogan evolve pass the current stage of genophage again.



It would save him alot more time, since it is 1000x more difficult and he already has something to base the 3rd generation version genophage off.

[JedTed]

I recently had a revelation regaurding the choice to keep or destroy the cure. On my first playthrough i kept the cure because i figured it could be usefull in the future(whether bolsting the krogan numbers to fight the Reapers or if the rachni go crazy again). However, in the end on the Collector base i chose to destroy it because i believed using the technology there would be an offence to all the humans who died.



Now take into account how many krogan(and humans) Maelon experimented on to get the data to cure the genophage. Is it not unethical to use that data even if it can help return the krogan to their former glory?

[ControlFreak12]

You give it to Mordin because he is the very model of a scientist salarian... duh. :-P

[AngryFrozenWater]

In one playthrough I kept the cure. If it is ever applied and the krogan start to conquer the galaxy again then it is nice to know that the same playthrough also kept the queen alive.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 mars 2010 - 11:09 .

[HaloKT]

A lot of the answers here seem focussed on the ability of other species rather than the most important answer. Mordin is possibly the highest moral instance you can give the data to. Over the course of the game we learn that he actually has very high moral and ethical standards in his research. That and that alone is my reason to give it to him rather than any other person. It just feels like the right thing to do.

[Pauravi]

T0paze wrote...

That's absurd, I'm afraid.

Salarian scientists are good, but they are not so much ahead of everyone else.

But he worked on it.  That fact alone makes him far more equipped to deal with it than anyone else.

It's like giving a important piece of data to an enemy scientist because he's a brilliant scientist. Mordin is not an enemy, but in this matter he can be reasonably expected to be extremely biased.

So what do you think he is going to do with it, exactly?
The data is safely kept in Normandy's computers, so he can't delete it.

[Pauravi]

JedTed wrote...

I recently had a revelation regaurding the choice to keep or destroy the cure. On my first playthrough i kept the cure because i figured it could be usefull in the future(whether bolsting the krogan numbers to fight the Reapers or if the rachni go crazy again). However, in the end on the Collector base i chose to destroy it because i believed using the technology there would be an offence to all the humans who died.

Now take into account how many krogan(and humans) Maelon experimented on to get the data to cure the genophage. Is it not unethical to use that data even if it can help return the krogan to their former glory?

First: I destroyed the collector base because I thought using their technology was unwise, and I didn't trust TIM with it.  It had nothing to do with what happened to the humans there.

Second: Not using the data doesn't retroactively prevent anything that Maelon did, it doesn't bring back the people he experimented on.  At that point it is done, and the data is just data.  As far as I am concerned, there is no moral status attached to the data itself, only the method of obtaining it.  The method was already used, I can't change that.

[gloowacz]

JedTed wrote...

Now take into account how many krogan(and humans) Maelon experimented on to get the data to cure the genophage. Is it not unethical to use that data even if it can help return the krogan to their former glory?

Right, it's more ethical not to use that data and have krogan have to shovel piles of stillborn to some unmarked graves.

[GenericPlayer2]

Does anyone know if the research data is on the Normandy or if it is on Mordin's personal Omni-tool - i.e. if Mordin dies does the data die with him?

[Wild Still]

The genophage saved the Krogan, Mordin is pretty clear that he hates the genophage and all of the events that lead to it's implementation. If they hadn't deployed the genophage the only solution to the Krogan rebellion would have been the complete eradication of the Krogan. He is also pretty clear that he views the interference of the Salarians in the natural evolution of the Krogan people is the root cause of the rebellion, and all of the Krogan woes.

Mordin is far too careful to simply bury the data, even though he states plainly that he could do better himself, you are mistaking his careful, studious approach to the genophage as cruelty, it may be "heartless", but some decisions are far better made with your head.

Modifié par Wild Still, 12 mars 2010 - 02:59 .

[JedTed]

gloowacz wrote...

JedTed wrote...

Now take into account how many krogan(and humans) Maelon experimented on to get the data to cure the genophage. Is it not unethical to use that data even if it can help return the krogan to their former glory?

Right, it's more ethical not to use that data and have krogan have to shovel piles of stillborn to some unmarked graves.

I geuss a better question would be how would the krogan feel about using that data?  I doubt Wrex would allow experiments on his own people in order to find a cure for the genophage.

Like the situation with the Collector base, i know that nothing can undo what Maelon did but it's a matter principle.  TIM's personal agenda aside, the technology at that base could be key to destroying the Reapers.  If it weren't for what the Collectors did to all the humans there then Shepard might of had the same idea.

[Daralii]

JedTed wrote...

gloowacz wrote...

JedTed wrote...

Now take into account how many krogan(and humans) Maelon experimented on to get the data to cure the genophage. Is it not unethical to use that data even if it can help return the krogan to their former glory?

Right, it's more ethical not to use that data and have krogan have to shovel piles of stillborn to some unmarked graves.

I geuss a better question would be how would the krogan feel about using that data?  I doubt Wrex would allow experiments on his own people in order to find a cure for the genophage.

Like Mordin said, he will never conduct experiments on living beings capable of doing calculus; he mentioned that most testing for the Genophage was done using simulations, cloned tissue samples, and eventualy varren. So long as he doesn't use Urz, I'm okay with it.

[Agent.0.Fortune]

Have anyone followed the Paragon discussion with Mordin during his mission. You ask him some pretty hard-nosed questions and he tells you point blank that Genophage must remain in place, in fact he contunied upgrading it.

All that crap about live exparaments is garbage, this is the same guy who killed and hung bodies in his clinic. For Mordin the ends always justifies the means. Anything he says relating to moral decisions is retoric.

Mordin is like Zaeed, he would strap a bomb to young girl and send her in to seduce a guard to acomplish his mission. Where he differs from Zaeed is that he would feel bad about it and make up excuses about moral dillema and greater good.

If Mordin could not re-distribute the Genophage do you think he would let the Krogan population grow unchecked or nuke them till they glow (actually thats not his style, he's a biologist, so he would create some sort of Varren super rabbies and hope that doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.... Rachni, Krogan, Varren, who's next, this guys should join the reapers).

[Agent.0.Fortune]

JedTed wrote...
I geuss a better question would be how would the krogan feel about using that data?  I doubt Wrex would allow experiments on his own people in order to find a cure for the genophage.

Why use the data at all?!!? the Krogan were natually overcoming the Genophage, that is why Mordin re-engineered it. Mordin doesn't want the Krogan overrunning the galaxy plain an simple, and moral or emotional arguement he makes is to simply weaken your resolve. He killed his assistant to keep the Krogan in check, not because of exparaments.

Wrex on the other hand really didn't want his people exparamented on (would not work with the assistant), and he didn't know the Krogan were recovering from the Genophage.

[Axterix]

Agent.0.Fortune wrote...

Have anyone followed the Paragon discussion with Mordin during his mission. You ask him some pretty hard-nosed questions and he tells you point blank that Genophage must remain in place, in fact he contunied upgrading it.

Hated that conversation line, since it was all accusations.  I wanted to read the information, get his thoughts, but geez...only 3 types of people would be against the genophage: Krogan, idiots, and those who want to see the galaxy burn.

The lack of options to ask him the questions while supporting the idea of the genophage was rather disappointing.

All that crap about live exparaments is garbage, this is the same guy who killed and hung bodies in his clinic. For Mordin the ends always justifies the means. Anything he says relating to moral decisions is retoric.
Mordin is like Zaeed, he would strap a bomb to young girl and send her in to seduce a guard to acomplish his mission. Where he differs from Zaeed is that he would feel bad about it and make up excuses about moral dillema and greater good.

I doubt Mordin would do that, at least not for that situation..  As he himself said, it would have been easier to wipe the Krogan out.  That's the route Zaeed would have gone.  The bodies he displayed?  That's simple logic.  They threatened him, so he killed them.  Displaying the bodies was a simple way to discourage further attention, so he wouldn't need to kill others.  It was the way to have the least amount of bloodshed.

In short, Mordin will kill if the situation warrants it.  And he will make hard choices if they are needed.  But he does what he does because he truly believes it is for the best.

If Mordin could not re-distribute the Genophage do you think he would let the Krogan population grow unchecked or nuke them till they glow (actually thats not his style, he's a biologist, so he would create some sort of Varren super rabbies and hope that doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.... Rachni, Krogan, Varren, who's next, this guys should join the reapers).

He'd wipe them out.  He wouldn't like doing it, but he would.  But then, if you couldn't control their growth, so would anyone who isn't Krogan else with a lick of common sense.  Although, personally, I think he'd go for a route of planetary blockade of the homeworld before complete exterimination.

[Agent.0.Fortune]

Axterix wrote...
He'd wipe them out.  He wouldn't like doing it, but he would.  But then, if you couldn't control their growth, so would anyone who isn't Krogan else with a lick of common sense.  Although, personally, I think he'd go for a route of planetary blockade of the homeworld before complete exterimination.

Yeah but no matter what decision you made, if it didn't meet with his flawed logic he would ride your ass.

Blockade the planet you say... "Unaccepable... Krogan starving, eating young. First it was unhatched eggs, now limbs of hatchlings. Must release bio-toxin to make Krogan teeth fall out."

Or nuke them... "Unacceptable... Krogan population only problem due to advanced technology without social evolution. Must chemically lobotomize Krogan to prevent use of technology. Safest option for Krogan. For Galaxy."

Remember his conversation about EDI complaining about his insane and dangerous exparements aboard ship. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining, but the only reason he doesn't want to kill the Krogan is because the Salarians are responsible for giving them interplanetary transportation and weapons to fight the racknai. He doesn't mind wiping out the Geth, the Collectors, or the Reapers.

[InHarmsWay]

BlaiseVoltaire wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Because he is the only one who could possibly understand his students work? If you want someone who is alive today to develop a cure for the genophage, do you know anyone smarter than Mordin to do it?

Shepard is a soldier not a scientist. 

I told Mordin to keep the data for in case, since it would be useful if the Krogan ever do develop to the point where we can cure the genophage and they won't try to start their conquest of the galaxy again.

I agree with this.

As Mordin states, creating the genophage was incredibly complicated, and modifying it was even more difficult. He is probably one of the smartest scientific figures in the ME universe, so there's no one else who Shepard is in contact with who would be able to deal with it.

The Alliance? No. The Council? Hell no. Cerberus? ....No.

Mordin is one of the only individuals I'd trust with it.

Agreed.

[mcsupersport]

Agent.0.Fortune wrote...



Yeah but no matter what decision you made, if it didn't meet with his flawed logic he would ride your ass.

Blockade the planet you say... "Unaccepable... Krogan starving, eating young. First it was unhatched eggs, now limbs of hatchlings. Must release bio-toxin to make Krogan teeth fall out."

Or nuke them... "Unacceptable... Krogan population only problem due to advanced technology without social evolution. Must chemically lobotomize Krogan to prevent use of technology. Safest option for Krogan. For Galaxy."

Remember his conversation about EDI complaining about his insane and dangerous exparements aboard ship. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining, but the only reason he doesn't want to kill the Krogan is because the Salarians are responsible for giving them interplanetary transportation and weapons to fight the racknai. He doesn't mind wiping out the Geth, the Collectors, or the Reapers.

No, he would not create a plague to wipe them out.  He stated many times, he is a doctor, and doesn't kill with "medicine'".  The mercs tried to kill not only him, but also to hurt the humans and patients he was helping, so he killed them with a gun.   He knows and understands that sometimes to help people yo must make the bad people go away(die). 

He has great respect for the Krogan, and all species, that was why he was trying so hard to ensure the Genophage only maintained the pre-uplifing population level.  The intent was never to kill the Krogan, just rebalance the level of survivability to adulthood that was radically changed due to the uplifting.

Mordin doesn't mind wiping out the Collectors because he understands that they are already dead in all ways that matter, they are simply flesh constructs without souls or society beyond the Reapers.  He would probably not want to completely destroy the Reapers if he knew a way to stop them without it, that would also prevent them from reasserting their power in the future. 

I don't agree with everything he(Mordin) does, but he is in no way cold blooded(well maybe Salarains are cold blooded but anyway) about killing, or the use of science to help/hurt beings.

[GenericPlayer2]

Mordin is a pretty ruthless bastard. I call him the Butcher of Tuchanka - But people don't want to see that, all they see is the funny remarks and cute mannerisms.

You can argue the ethics of the genophage all you want, the fact is it turned the Krogan into a dying race (its in the codex - go read it). So its death by nukes or death by a thousand cuts. At least if they were all killed in the War they would have thought it to be a glorious death. In many ways Patriarch is a metaphor for the Genophage. Spared certain death to live a life of humiliation.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 13 mars 2010 - 01:38 .