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I'm on, give or take a few re-do's, probably my 8th playthrough.  But it's my first time playing a male PC, a human noble.  The differences aren't overwhelming, but definitely lots of little things.

What is your experience playing a female vs. a male PC?

The big one is how fast the Morrigan romance progresses.  A few conversations, a couple gifts, a "you can probe me anytime," and we're barely in Lothering before Alistair is talking about "mister kissy-face" with Morrigan at +21 neutral. This is a big change over having to wait for Alistair to warm up or the elven assassin to appear (I haven't done a Leliana romance so can't speak to that).

There are certain lines that I would never use as a female PC but which make more sense as a male PC.  The example that comes to mind is when you tell Flemeth "She (Morrigan) will not come to any harm with us."  As a femPC, I would never say that.  It's a) an entirely unrealistic promise, and B) condescending.  But my Aedan gallantly promised such!  It works as a chivalrous line and even as an assurance that the two male wardens aren't going to try anything funny.  Morrigan also likes it, judging by the fact that I got a +8 when I usually expect to see a +4 for that first conversation.

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You're right about certain dialogue choices making more sense for a male then a female. There's a lot of differences actually when playing the two. For some odd reason when you're playing a HM you understand Morrigan more, well for me I was able to. It also makes hardening Alistair easier cause you're not looking at it as a romance (how's this going to affect us) but a buddy male-to-male situation.

In my first play throughs I was playing a HNM n there was a lot of things I didn't understand but now that I've played the female part I'm goin so now that make's sense lmao. Honestly for me though, I enjoy playing a female. I can get more involved in the game, prob cause I am a female lmao. Anyways yes there are definitely differences. I think you'll enjoy it.

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I almost never play female PCs; finished Dragon Age five or six times now, and only one of those plays was female. The main difference I noted (other than available romances) was that people commented on my gender more. That's... About it. Some conversations were slightly different too, but nothing super special to me.



All in all, interesting, but not my cup of tea. I happily went back to playing males, though I need to get my arse moving and finish my female city elf, because I really like her character...

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Everyone,



I am male, but I have to say that I prefer playing the game with a female PC rather than a male one. The romance options, dialog, and angles have a lot to do with it. Also it seems (and perhaps I am wrong about this) that there are more satisfying endings and easter eggs for female protagonists.



I mean consider: As a male character, the most interesting easter eggs I've found are the Illegitamate child (for a Dwarven Male Noble) or the ability to marry Anora at the end (which in the epilog is virtually identical to having Anora rule alone....what my PC had not impact on her?) Also with a male PC, your romance options are Morrigan (ugh) or Lelliana (sp?). One is a female dog in personality while the other is incredibly needy (I prefer the later option but still....) Furthermore, these relationships have little impact in the game (or at least that's what it seems to me). Outside of the Dwarven Male Noble, the best universal easter egg for male characters is the ability to seduce Gheyna and ruin Cammen's life and IMHO that's not enough.



OTOH, with a female protagonist, you can (if a mage) flirt with Cullen (causing him to run away....priceless) and/or flirt with Jowen (which is priceless because you have to do it in Lily's presence). If you are a Dalish, you have a very minor love backstory that comes to a tragic end when you find out your one-time boyfriend didn't die of the taint after all.... Of course the female CIty Elf background is much more involved (and IMHO better) than the male version, Finally, some of the best and most important game changing decisions can only be done as a Human Noble Female (esp at the end).



Then there are the female romances. There is Alistair (who is not to everyone's taste but winds up being very central to the story). Likewise there is Zev who isn't nearly so central but has a very involved and interesting romance angle. {Admittedly you can do this with a male character but I strongly suspect that most people that play male PCs don't do this}



Sorry about rambling. I guess I just find that the game pretty strongly favors female characters over male ones.

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I found the game more fun as a female, mostly because you can flirt more with the other party members:



(playing as human female nobel)



sten; your a woman?



Me: are you flirting with me Sten?



Sten: What's this 'flirting'? Speak common tounge!





Plus, and nobody brick me for this. I still maintin the belief that alistar is the best party romance. Plus with him, you could be queen. You ask him or Longain to fufil Morrigan's request, so funny! You can flirt with Jowan in front of Lily, ahahaha. You can make the guard in your cell undress before you beat the living snot out of him. Good times.

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Like IanPolaris, I am also a male who prefers to play female characters. I find the game more involving that way - I prefer the friendship over romance with Morrigan, and I think the Alistair romance works better than friendship, particularly if you aren't a human noble as it adds an element of tragedy to the tale. If you aren't a human noble and in love with Alistair, you have to balance your own feelings with the future of Ferelden (and love is, as Wynne states, ultimately selfish). Even if you aren't meta-gaming, your character can suspect that, should Ali be made king, he couldn't marry an elf/dwarf/mage, regardless of his wishes.

Morrigan I think works better as a friend. I just feel she's slightly more genuine, less manipulative, and less jumping into your tent. She still manipulates, of course, and she's never really completely genuine. But I think the dynamic of Morrigan forming an attachment to someone she perceives as another strong, independent woman makes a lot of sense, for someone whose never had a friend. She comments as such after you defeat Flemeth. My (male) friend who played a MHN first and romanced Morrigan was appalled by her end-game ritual-deal because he felt she'd just been manipulating him the whole game and never really gave a **** for him. For me it seemed, while naturally selfish and manipulative, also as if she was genuinely (slightly) concerned that her one and only friend was about to die an utterly pointless death (in her eyes - what's the point in glory if you can't bask in it?). Either way, I think the dynamic of the ritual changes immensely if you are being asked to do it, or to convince someone else to.

I have yet to romance Zevran (or Leliana) as a guy, but Zevran's romance as a woman is well-developed, and he's pretty-much the only character who will accompany you post end-game regardless of romantic options or where you go. Leliana is a bit too sweet and needy for my tastes.

Why did this turn into a post about romances? Surely M/F impacts the game in other ways!

Let's face it, I do it mainly for Sten's 'I don't understand, you look like a woman' dialogue'.

In general though, I think it depends a lot on the Origin. I defintely think both City and Dalish elves are deeper if you play a female character (YMMV), as does the Mage origin (which seems to contain nothing extra for male characters as compared to female). Human Noble I tend to think works better as a male. Dwarf Commoner female for me. Dwarf Noble is divided, on the one hand you have the illegitimate child, on the other the romance with Gorim (the default game assumes male, though, if you aren't the DN). These are, of course, my personal opinions.

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I'm female but generally prefer playing male characters (though I'll give both a shot). Reason being I'm a rather bloke-ish woman who has been lifting weights for over 20 years and has the shoulders to prove it. I really hate having a skinny-armed, big breasted female avatar - it feels like I'm downgrading. (This bugged me more when I was playing a female Shepard in ME - a woman who can sling Kaidan over her shoulder should not have arms like twigs!)



Having said that, because I'm straight, I generally end up playing gay men if that's an option. But I'll try everything. So far I've had a gay male noble (romancing Zev), a shaven headed lesbian elf (I heard the City Elf was better as a female character, and figured that it would make sense that particular character would be rather down on men) and a bad boy blood mage who shagged Zev, had a foursome with Zev, Leliana and Isabella but ended up falling for Morrigan and being her baby daddy (he also kissed Kaitlyn and Bella in Redcliff, so you can't say girls get all the fun in this game). Current game is a straight female arcane warrior romancing Alistair (I loved the Cullen stuff - too bad you can't seduce him) but it won't end well when she spares Loghain (the old fella is way hotter than Alistair and if there was an option to bone him, I'd so be there).



One thing I've found is almost all female players, playing as females, hate the fact Alistair has to sleep with Morrigan in order to enable the "happy" ending (particularly since he was a virgin when you met and you are the only woman he has been with - unless you enjoyed a menage a trois with him and Isabella, of course). It's a shame you couldn't just hand her a turkey baster.

I would personally only be happy with that option if I decided to play a completely ruthless, power-hungry female noble who got interested in Alistair when he confessed he was Maric's son, pushed him onto the throne and married him in order to be queen (trampling all others in her wake).



I guess it's all a matter of personal taste at the end of the day. Dragon Age is a game that's meant to be played several times so there's no reason not to explore all the options that appeal to you.

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Not almost all female players hate the Morrigan ritual scene -- the ones who do are very vocal, but there are plenty of us who think Morrigan is doing the warden a favor, not "having her man." I also have a very different spin on the human noble female -- she marries Alistair always, but not for love and not for power. She does it out of duty, despite loving someone else (yes, I'm a Zev fangirl).



I can't get into playing a male character. It just doesn't feel right to me. I played one all the way through, and have started a second, but the game feels real enough to me that playing a male just seems weird.

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I'm the same, I can't play a male character because I get bored. It feels wrong to me, like I'm removed from the game somehow, there's no emotional involvement.



The Morrigan ritual doesn't bother me in the least because of its sexual nature. It's to save the GW life, and true enough, as a female PC, Morrigan does come off as genuinely concerned. None of my girls have allowed the ritual as of yet, but not because Alistair has to sleep with Morrigan. It's simply because the prospect of the baby is concerning them, and isn't helped by Morrigan being secretive about the whole thing.



I also agree with CalJones. I do not like it that my girls have necks that could make their heads be blown off by a strong breeze, and that they have arms like sticks. My HNF warrior was a DW menace, yet she has arms that would break in half should she even try to lift her two swords. I stuck her in the Warden Commander armor, it helped a bit.



And Rofl about the turkey baster comment. It made me laugh out loud, and thank goodness I wasn't eating or drinking anything at that time.

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ejoslin wrote...

I can't get into playing a male character. It just doesn't feel right to me. I played one all the way through, and have started a second, but the game feels real enough to me that playing a male just seems weird.

Same here, so I decided to combine it with something else that feels unnatural to me. I always play the nice-'keep everyone happy' girl. My 'evil' playthrough is combined with playing as a guy. Because I combine two things that don't feel right it is much easier.

Playing as a female PC is a lot of fun when you talk to Sten (you look like a warrior but are dressed like a women'. Also talking to Shale after finding out she is a girl is great. Something like this:
'So you're female... I had no idea.'
'It never told me its gender.'

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I love the:



"Let's go and squish something. It is the girlish thing to do, is it not?"

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I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.

spottyblanket wrote...

Plus, and nobody brick me for this. I still maintain the belief that alistar is the best party romance.


*stares longingly at her brick collection*

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Lol, you would. If anyone else had said this, I wouldn't have believed it.

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I found the difference most noticeable in the Cammen's lament quest in the Dalish camp. As a male you can seduce Gheyna and nobody seems to mind, you even get approval from Wynne. As a female if you seduce Cammen everybody is on your case about it. Plus the male gets experiance for the deed but not the female.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Is that really possible . . . or are you just messing with me?  Playing mostly female characters I looked continually for a way to romance Morrigan.  My understanding is that it is not possible.

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Helios969 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Is that really possible . . . or are you just messing with me?  Playing mostly female characters I looked continually for a way to romance Morrigan.  My understanding is that it is not possible.


It's possible.

No, you cannot have a romance. No, I did not use a mod/the toolset. Yes, it's something the developers didn't intend.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Is that really possible . . . or are you just messing with me?  Playing mostly female characters I looked continually for a way to romance Morrigan.  My understanding is that it is not possible.


It's possible.

No, you cannot have a romance. No, I did not use a mod/the toolset. Yes, it's something the developers didn't intend.


I would very much like to know how to go about it.

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Chas1024 wrote...
 Plus the male gets experiance for the deed but not the female.


Actually there is a reason for this and it's interesting (and actually one reason I prefer female PCs in DAO).  If you are a female PC, you can dismiss all your companions in the Dalish camp and seduce Cammen (no party approval loss) and honestly that's probably how you would go about this regardless.

The important part here, is seducing Cammen does not end the Cammen's Lament Quest (and btw if you are romancing Zev, you get +4 approval for giving the poor kid some hands on sexual education).  However, if a male PC seduces Gheyna, it's "game over man" and the quest is effectively ended.  If a male character seduces Gheyna, there is no way to bring the two lovers together.  Either Cammen will wait for a sucessful hunt (and never be able to woo her even if he does), or Cammen runs off into the woods (presumably to get killed).  However, if a female PC seduces Cammen, you can still (with a very high Coercion) convince Gheyna to marry Cammen after all and get the "young couple ending".  You must not mention that you slept with Cammen at any time until you get this happy ending, however.

Basically, the reason you get XP for sleeping with Gheya is because you are getting quest completion XP for Cammen's lament.  Sleeping with Cammen does not end the quest and so you don't get quest completion XP.

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Ah, that old standard. If you're a male and you bone a lot of chicks, you're a stud. If you're female and sleep with a lot of men, then you're a slag. (Must admit I never tried sleeping with Cammen - he must be the ugliest elf in Thedas).



Sabriana - yes I'm using the Warden Commander armour on my arcane warrior - I had to make her an arcane warrior because I couldn't abide the robes. They're either too matronly or ridiculously ****ty. (I do like the Chasind-style robe on a male though - rawr).

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Helios969 wrote...

I would very much like to know how to go about it.


Here's how according to the commentary on the U-Tube site:


1. Spare Loghian
2. Convince him to take part in the ritual.
3. Talk to Morrigan and ask her if there's another way.
4. Select 'Alistiar has agreed.'

Since Alistair isn't in the party anymore, the program borks the selection and then selects your PC as the next available person.  It's a programming glitch.

-Polaris

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I'm a woman, but I tend to play male characters in RPGs. Out of all the plays I've done, I've only tried a woman once and couldn't complete it (god, that awful movement animation!). But I played through enough to pick up on some differences. I don't really think there are a ton. As a male PC, you can flirt with just as many people, even the men (heck, I got Dairren into bed with my MHN and then did the Zevran romance). Most of the dialogue choices remained the same. Aside from the character models, I didn't see many differences.

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Helios969 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Is that really possible . . . or are you just messing with me?  Playing mostly female characters I looked continually for a way to romance Morrigan.  My understanding is that it is not possible.



it is with the Free love mod. It causes Morrigan to think the female Warden is a male.

Anyway, I prefer playing as a female as well. For so many reasons. I will play as a male once through to get Morrigan's romance achievement. But beyond that...if I played longer, i wouldn't romance morrigan further, and I'd end up going for zev or leliana.

I find the Dark Ritual quite disturbing and nasty, because to do it as a female, you have to coerce poor Alistair into not only doing something that is counter to his nature and beliefs, and the possible repercussions of doing it could end up creating more evil in the future, but the fact that you are basically asking him to get nearly raped by a woman he dislikes in doing so. I always hit the esc button when the cutscene starts. His face is the expression of a terrified rabbit about to get ripped to shreds by a coyote, and Morrigan's face, like the predator about to mercilessly feast. And Alistair's reaction when you suggest the ritual....

The only reason i do it, is because of the fates that befall your loved ones should you sacrifice yourself. No one has a happy ending if your do that.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
it is with the Free love mod. It causes Morrigan to think the female Warden is a male.


See my post above.  You don't need the free-love mode to do this (although it is the straightforward way to get this result admittedly). You can get Morrigan to try to do the ritual with your female warden without mods.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I managed to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan with my FemWarden. It was interesting.


Is that really possible . . . or are you just messing with me?  Playing mostly female characters I looked continually for a way to romance Morrigan.  My understanding is that it is not possible.



it is with the Free love mod. It causes Morrigan to think the female Warden is a male.

Anyway, I prefer playing as a female as well. For so many reasons. I will play as a male once through to get Morrigan's romance achievement. But beyond that...if I played longer, i wouldn't romance morrigan further, and I'd end up going for zev or leliana.

I find the Dark Ritual quite disturbing and nasty, because to do it as a female, you have to coerce poor Alistair into not only doing something that is counter to his nature and beliefs, and the possible repercussions of doing it could end up creating more evil in the future, but the fact that you are basically asking him to get nearly raped by a woman he dislikes in doing so. I always hit the esc button when the cutscene starts. His face is the expression of a terrified rabbit about to get ripped to shreds by a coyote, and Morrigan's face, like the predator about to mercilessly feast. And Alistair's reaction when you suggest the ritual....

The only reason i do it, is because of the fates that befall your loved ones should you sacrifice yourself. No one has a happy ending if your do that.


Morrigan is the woman you date.  Leliana is the one you marry.  I'm a guy, so Morrigan's predatorial appearence is rather appealing.

I'm also not so sure Alistair despises Morrigan quite so much.  I always got the impression from their various dialogues that he's like the fourth grade boy who doesn't know how to display newly discovered feelings for the opposite sex, so he throws rocks and calls her names.  I half expected to find the two making out at some point in the game.  Obviously I'm wrong, but the disdain presented by the game designers didn't always feel authentic.  At least from Alistair's side.

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spottyblanket wrote...
You can make the guard in your cell undress before you beat the living snot out of him. Good times.

Not just a female PC option!