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[sami jo]

Let's see, Xbox folks think the consoles are getting shafted; PC users think the consoles are getting priority, and PS3 users think everyone is out to get them. Oh, and the PC users are elitist snobs and respond to any problem on a console with "get a PC" even in a console forum.



I think this indicates that Bioware has dropped the ball on customer service across the board. No one is getting good support. The last PC patch fixed a bunch of bugs that were already fixed on the console versions as well as a few that we still need fixed. For the most part, we are all dealing with many of the same glitches (Lel romance glitch for instance. I made a new personal record of breaking up with stalker girl three times before I hit level 12 today). The PCs just have the advantage of the mod community to fix things in Bioware's absence.

[Eternal Phoenix]

And I was about to buy this game! Hmm, well I can get it for free...so I can't complain. Just show your wrath to bioware so that in future, they KNOW to check the whole game more than once next time. With an expansion on the way, you best keep this thread running to remind Bioware to test the expansion before release.

[MelodicCure]

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[MelodicCure]

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[MelodicCure]

Maviarab wrote...

True but works both ways. It was a PC game first and foremost

Thank you!... plus bioware's fans on the PC span all the way back to the days of BG and Ice wind Dale.  New fresh console meat gets shafted....to bad.


I thought I clicked on the PC tech support for some reason and hit this one and posted to much.  Wish there was a way to actually delete posts haha.

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[MelodicCure]

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[abadomen]

Maviarab wrote...



shows the level of intellgence doesnt it really lol...

So says the guy who begins his argument with "dumb consoles"

[neubourn]

MelodicCure wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

True but works both ways. It was a PC game first and foremost

Thank you!... plus bioware's fans on the PC span all the way back to the days of BG and Ice wind Dale.  New fresh console meat gets shafted....to bad.


I thought I clicked on the PC tech support for some reason and hit this one and posted to much.  Wish there was a way to actually delete posts haha.

Cool Story, bro!

[MelodicCure]

neubourn wrote...

MelodicCure wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

True but works both ways. It was a PC game first and foremost

Thank you!... plus bioware's fans on the PC span all the way back to the days of BG and Ice wind Dale.  New fresh console meat gets shafted....to bad.


I thought I clicked on the PC tech support for some reason and hit this one and posted to much.  Wish there was a way to actually delete posts haha.

Cool Story, bro!

I agree.  Totally a bad ass story.  I hope they shaft consoles forever.

[supersims796]

These elitist PC douchebags are getting on my nerves. Look, go ****** off somewhere else. I'm glad that having a gaming PC makes you feel like the top of the world, since you can waste money on it,but us with a fixed budget cannot afford one. Maybe you should make a real accomlpishment so you can stop thinking that owning a gaming PC makes t3h bestest gamur EVAR.





Now, these bugs are annoying. Whether or not it came out on PC first, or if it were "meant" for the PC, I bought it for 360. If they are going to sharft me because I am not a true costumer, then I also want my cash back. They had no problem accepting my console cash, so I should expect the same service as PC.

[13Dannyboy13]

MelodicCure wrote...

neubourn wrote...

MelodicCure wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

True but works both ways. It was a PC game first and foremost

Thank you!... plus bioware's fans on the PC span all the way back to the days of BG and Ice wind Dale.  New fresh console meat gets shafted....to bad.


I thought I clicked on the PC tech support for some reason and hit this one and posted to much.  Wish there was a way to actually delete posts haha.

Cool Story, bro!

I agree.  Totally a bad ass story.  I hope they shaft consoles forever.

Hmmm.... so you're saying that no one who bought this for the 360 has played BG or NWN? The reason I bought this for xbox is because I don't have hundreds of dollars to upgrade my pc to play this properly like many other people.

As for the other ignorant comment about shafting consoles forever, you do realize that this game has sold a lot more for consoles than pc right? If they shaft consoles as they are already doing now they will lose a lot of money, and lets face it, it's all about money now for these companies, they stand to lose millions in sales plus a large fanbase which is already slipping away from the total lack of support.

You have the game for pc, good for you, why come to the xbox 360 forums to flame people rightly angry about a substandard product? Whether they continue to shaft consoles or not they have lost a lot of respect for the way this game is being supported across all platforms. Whether or not it was originally a pc only game, the fact that they released it on multiple platforms means that they have an obligation to support multiple platforms for patches/fixes simple as that.

[Drayvenn]

mrfoo1 wrote...

supersims796 wrote...
Now, these bugs are annoying. Whether or not it came out on PC first, or if it were "meant" for the PC,
I bought it for 360. If they are going to sharft me because I am not a
true costumer, then I also want my cash back. They had no problem
accepting my console cash, so I should expect the same service as
PC.

Ports have bugs. It's not a happy thing but it's something you will have to deal with. You don't put premium gasoline in a truck that uses diesel do you. It's the same thing with ports. Your using a system that is not specified or designed to be used for the program that is DA:O.

And when any console gamer has to put up with even half of the techincal debautchery that PC users's do, your opinion might be valid.

Nowhere on the packaging for the Xbox version does it say that DA:O is a port.  I understand that it is but most people, myself included, did not know it was a port when they purchased it.  Nor should they care. 
Bioware/EA is still responsible for making the game work as advertised. 
And even if PC users have had more trouble in the past that does not make our opinion any less valid. 
We are not asking for special treatment.
All we want is for the product to work the way the manual says it should and the way the designers intended.

[13Dannyboy13]

mrfoo1 wrote...


Ports have bugs. It's not a happy thing but it's something you will have to deal with. You don't put premium gasoline in a truck that uses diesel do you. It's the same thing with ports. Your using a system that is not specified or designed to be used for the program that is DA:O.

And when any console gamer has to put up with even half of the techincal debautchery that PC users's do, your opinion might be valid.

So because I'm playing on a console and not a pc my opinion isn't valid?!  What kind of bs is that. I've spent almost $100 on this game so far with dlc etc so I think my opinions are as valid as anyone else's since I'm a paying customer.

First, yes there are going to be bugs when a game is ported, no one will deny that it's to be expected. What has people upset is the complete lack of any kind of support whatsoever, I mean almost 4 months and we've had 1 response from a dev from Bioware saying that there might be some of these bugs addressed, but didn't know when/if they would be. We all know that Edge of Reality is the company doing the port, but that in no way absolves Bioware of a share of the blame if there are problems. It's like saying if I gave you a gun and you shot someone, that I couldn't be blamed for anything. Sure there's red tape and other bs to go through with microsoft to release a patch/fix, but why even bother porting it if it won't be supported.

[Unseen_77]

Sorry to hear but at lest 360 got something allthough not much.



PS3 Users are still waiting on a patch and RTO.

[switzki]

mrfoo1 wrote...
Ports have bugs.

All software has bugs; it is an issue inherent to designing large, complex systems. The PC superiority argument is as tired as it is specious.

mrfoo1 wrote...
Your using a system that is not specified or designed to be used for the program that is DA:O.

On the contrary, the packaging on my copy of DA:O clearly states "For use only with Xbox 360 entertainment systems."

mrfoo1 wrote...
And when any console gamer has to put up with even half of the techincal debautchery that PC users's do, your opinion might be valid.

Actually, this is precisely why the apparent lack of support is so damning. As you yourself stated, it's not like there are hundreds of thousands of hardware configurations that need to be tested. The major bugs in the Xbox version have been clearly identified and are easily reproducible. I am surprised that some of these bugs weren't noticed by the internal QA process, but it's really the fact that there's no followup post-release that is tarnishing BioWare's reputation. Port or no, if a company isn't going to address significant defects in their product, then there's very little incentive to buy anything else from them. It sets an expectation for quality.

Also, respectfully, the time and money and aggravation that PC users invest in their gaming machines is not really pertinent. I can appreciate that you might be angry or bitter over what you've endured, but that doesn't entitle you to summarily dismiss the opinions of others as inferior or invalid. Many console owners are fully aware of the difficulties of maintaining a PC...and they've chosen a different path.

[ladydesire]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Ports have bugs. It's not a happy thing but it's something you will have to deal with. You don't put premium gasoline in a truck that uses diesel do you. It's the same thing with ports. Your using a system that is not specified or designed to be used for the program that is DA:O.

Umm... The PC version has some of them too, you know. It's not like there are three different sets of source code for the game and three different sets of data files for them; everything is done in the same toolset as far as the game data files are concerned and the source code has a bunch of branching points dependent on the chosen platform target. Most of the time, the PC version ends up with them less noticalbe due to the higher amount of system memory and separate video memory, which is something that consoles lack, to the best of my knowledge.

[ladydesire]

switzki wrote...


Actually, this is precisely why the apparent lack of support is so damning. As you yourself stated, it's not like there are hundreds of thousands of hardware configurations that need to be tested. The major bugs in the Xbox version have been clearly identified and are easily reproducible. I am surprised that some of these bugs weren't noticed by the internal QA process, but it's really the fact that there's no followup post-release that is tarnishing BioWare's reputation. Port or no, if a company isn't going to address significant defects in their product, then there's very little incentive to buy anything else from them. It sets an expectation for quality.

It all depends on when the bugs were found and whether or not the fix was made available then; I was under the impression that Bioware knew about the infamous dexterity bug in time to make the fix available to Edge of Reality so it could be included in the release version, but maybe I was mistaken. I know they knew about it in time to have it available for PC users on the first day (as a developer mod).

Also, respectfully, the time and money and aggravation that PC users invest in their gaming machines is not really pertinent. I can appreciate that you might be angry or bitter over what you've endured, but that doesn't entitle you to summarily dismiss the opinions of others as inferior or invalid. Many console owners are fully aware of the difficulties of maintaining a PC...and they've chosen a different path.

I agree with you about this; while I personally don't desire to own a gaming console, I can respect those that do want the same experience on it as the PC user gets.

[nazgul1x]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Drayvenn wrote...
Nowhere on the packaging for the Xbox version does it say that DA:O is a port.  I understand that it is but most people, myself included, did not know it was a port when they purchased it.  Nor should they care. 
Bioware/EA is still responsible for making the game work as advertised. 
And even if PC users have had more trouble in the past that does not make our opinion any less valid. 
We are not asking for special treatment.
All we want is for the product to work the way the manual says it should and the way the designers intended.

Knowing what a product is and how it is produced, esspecially more so now in the gaming industry, as a consumer is going to be 9 tenths of the battle for purchasing a level of product that is in some way enjoyable. So yes as a consumer of video games you should care. You should care that a game is a port and that it's not the main development house thats doing it. YOU SHOULD CARE ALOT.

We are talking about a subset of users who play on a system that is about as variated as the number of bottles of beer and the amount of beer in those bottles per flat ... and wanting more support or more immediate support; not only in a manner that doesn't coincide with Bioware, not even with EA; but with an out sourced company and expecting Bioware or EA to be able to do anything at all about it. Maybe it's just a console gamer ideology but it's flat our futile. Bioware/EA at this point have very little they can or could do to force a patch out for console players. The patch/s at this point need to go through 3 companies. GL with your high expectations.

To reiterate: Things like knowing whether or not a game is a port is important. As it was stated on the first page.

I guess what you're saying is that anyone who didn't do their homework and trusted Bioware to deliver a console game, (since it was released, you know, on a console)  with their usual console game standards was foolish to do so.  Interesting...............................

[Drayvenn]

mrfoo1 wrote...
If Bioware was the company who released the product and did the translation (See:Ladydesire's post above) required to port it over to XBox and PS3 you would have a valid argument. The same way if it was Bioware releasing the patch's over an owned EA release capacity. But sadly Bioware didn't and aren't. Try again.

Discussing things on forums can be tricky sometimes because it is difficult to discern the "tone" of another person when reading their words.  Let me state that what I'm about to ask is not meant to be snarky or sarcastic but a genuine question.
Assuming, for whatever reason, we only have access to the Xbox version of DA:O.  What do YOU think we should do to address these issues?

[NocturnalRite]

I'm probably going to get flamed to hell, but maybe the fixes are coming with the expansion. Of course I'm probably wrong and the answer about fixes in the expansion in it's faq only apply to pc. It's hard to tell when they go outside of the developer for a port. I hope the issues do get fixed because I'm tempted to get the 360 version because I don't have the money to get a computer capable of playing my PC copy.