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Really? I believe I can quote the various insults you have thrown around. Just because you do not outright namecall does not mean you do not put down others, hence why so many people have jumped on your comments. If they do not respond to this forum, then that is between us and them. But if we feel that we must make a thread for the sole purpose of complaining, then so be it.

By all means do so(Im being rhetorical again). I am aware with one post towards a PS3 user specifically that could qualify, the rest, well if people are unable to leave personal feelings outside of a conversation and feel belittled or that I have called them a name, to bad for them I guess. If your refering to my comment to Elton John is Dead you are absolutly right, but that poster deserves it. Piracy is for diseases.

As for the rest I disagree. As a  customer in today's market the empitus is on you to know what it is your buying before you do. And more so with the gaming industry there is a growing trend of isolationism between companies and the products released. As I have stated you have every right to want fix's, however no amount of complaining or anything is going to make those fix's come any faster. The process in which these things are involved take time,social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/1104557/17#1381532 for example only prove that point. It's why I said having knowledge about the product and market you are making a purchase in is important. In the gaming market even more so. Patience, understanding and knowledge about your product are going to be the key things for being a customer when it comes to gaming. The forum mods say: If theres nothing being said, it's because there is nothing to be said.

Also I am not responsible for what other PC users have done prior to my postings. Under the same sumation you used to justify your line of reasoning I can surmise the same and coming directly from the first page. Maybe that made you read more into what I was posting, maybe not. Maybe I need to better control my phraseology. But regardless, The conversation I was attempting to have had no or at least should have had no predication from prior people whom are no me. And I still stand by my initial comments. Console gamers do not have to deal with the same issues as PC gamers. They should not react the way they do. Bottom line.

As for ports, having played one now yourself, do you disagree that they are a poor option for video games?

Modifié par mrfoo1, 23 février 2010 - 04:42 .


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Yeah, I thought about spending a huge chunk of cash to get a high-end gaming rig so I could visit the 360 forums and act like an utter and complete jackass but I'm sure I'd fail the 'Conceit and Condescension' test they make you take.



We get it though. Despite selling approximately 3 times the number of units the consolers must kowtow to the compu-geek elite and humbly accept a broken product. You are god's gift to gaming afterall and so incredibly intelligent! Except for when you stole so much of the devs. efforts that they all but stopped producing PC first games. Might have outsmarted yourself on that one Albert.



Enjoy one of the last decent PC first IPs and know that we are the reason there will be a DA2.




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Yeah, I thought about spending a huge chunk of cash to get a high-end gaming rig so I could visit the 360 forums and act like an utter and complete jackass but I'm sure I'd fail the 'Conceit and Condescension' test they make you take.

We get it though. Despite selling approximately 3 times the number of units the consolers must kowtow to the compu-geek elite and humbly accept a broken product. You are god's gift to gaming afterall and so incredibly intelligent! Except for when you stole so much of the devs. efforts that they all but stopped producing PC first games. Might have outsmarted yourself on that one Albert.

Enjoy one of the last decent PC first IPs and know that we are the reason there will be a DA2.


In case your wondering this thread is about why the XBox hasn't recieved a patch in awhile when they need one. But thanks for sharing your redundant and usless, therefore invalid opinion.

You guys want to wait and wonder why you don't get any responses from bioware about the status of the XBox patching fine have at it. But enjoy gaming in the next few years because once the PC gamers stop playing games your not going to be seeing your nice graphics that you want. Because as much as it's easier to shell out for lower version standards for games, its the PC gamers that drive those standards up. So while your replacing your PS3's and XBox 360 to there inevitable PS10's and XBox 1080's @ 700$ a pop tp play sub par games, just remember that if it wan't for PC gaming in the first place every gamer would still be playing on a 8 bit console. And thats if the game industry would even have survived long enough to push something decent out.

You may hit the most sales. But you're over paying on those products by 25%.

Modifié par mrfoo1, 23 février 2010 - 05:36 .


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I enjoy gaming on my 360 more than most of the jaded elite on PC can even understand. You have hijacked a thread where we sought to express our opinions on why the console owners have been largely ignored by a company we associate with solid console titles like Kotor, JE, ME etc. Neither DA nor ME2 are my ideal game but they provide an immersive, enjoyable escape.



The past is the past sir and I do not feel an obligation to PC users who feel they have paid for the foundation on which the 20b/yr. console vg business stands. Imo consoles are the direct result of rampant piracy and the need for hardware cost controls. $700? Never happen. Sony learned that lesson this gen and are paying with oceans of red ink.



I will be playing DA:Awakenings, Wake, Reach, Vegas and more on my lowly box this year and I don't need your approval to enjoy them. Glad your PCs technical specifications give you such joy and feel free to come back the next time you need someone to feel superior to.

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Why are PC zealots who like to tell people how and what to play even doing in board for 360 support?

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OnyxPrimal wrote...

Why are PC zealots who like to tell people how and what to play even doing in board for 360 support?


They have low self esteem and being giant e-peen heads seems to make them feel better. Either way its fairly obvious that they are shallow vacuous human beings, don't even bother giving them the time of day, they only feed on it. Best to ignore them and they will shrivel up and die from lack of attention. Something they are not getting in the real world.

-_-

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Bioware should stop ignoring these problems and address the community.

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supersims796 wrote...
Really? I believe I can quote the various insults you have thrown around. Just because you do not outright namecall does not mean you do not put down others, hence why so many people have jumped on your comments. If they do not respond to this forum, then that is between us and them. But if we feel that we must make a thread for the sole purpose of complaining, then so be it.

By all means do so(Im being rhetorical again). I am aware with one post towards a PS3 user specifically that could qualify, the rest, well if people are unable to leave personal feelings outside of a conversation and feel belittled or that I have called them a name, to bad for them I guess. If your refering to my comment to Elton John is Dead you are absolutly right, but that poster deserves it. Piracy is for diseases.

As for the rest I disagree. As a  customer in today's market the empitus is on you to know what it is your buying before you do. And more so with the gaming industry there is a growing trend of isolationism between companies and the products released. As I have stated you have every right to want fix's, however no amount of complaining or anything is going to make those fix's come any faster. The process in which these things are involved take time,social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/1104557/17#1381532 for example only prove that point. It's why I said having knowledge about the product and market you are making a purchase in is important. In the gaming market even more so. Patience, understanding and knowledge about your product are going to be the key things for being a customer when it comes to gaming. The forum mods say: If theres nothing being said, it's because there is nothing to be said.

Also I am not responsible for what other PC users have done prior to my postings. Under the same sumation you used to justify your line of reasoning I can surmise the same and coming directly from the first page. Maybe that made you read more into what I was posting, maybe not. Maybe I need to better control my phraseology. But regardless, The conversation I was attempting to have had no or at least should have had no predication from prior people whom are no me. And I still stand by my initial comments. Console gamers do not have to deal with the same issues as PC gamers. They should not react the way they do. Bottom line.

As for ports, having played one now yourself, do you disagree that they are a poor option for video games?

That does not apply as much as you would think. Games are constantly being marketed more and more towards the asual audience, who knows little about the finer points of gaming, or the industry as a whole. I implore, if the industry wants to make money, they must know that people has certain expectations. Otherwise, people will not buy their products. This applies to almost all industries. As a chef, it is very annoying how demanding people are - even in places such as homeless shelters. However, it is not their responsibility to show me any understanding. If their philosophy is 'hush's the word, we'll tell you when we tell you', they'll have a lot less customers.


Just as you are not responsible for other posters, I am not responsible for how you decide to take my posts.  You are saying that I was reading too much as to what you are saying? I was never talking to you in the first place! I have said that before. Of course those other posters have nothing to do with you, I was never talking to you! Their were arrogant PC users here before you. If you decide to take my comment and apply it to yourself, then  that is on you.

With that said, it is clear that your personal feelings came into play here from the start - please don't try to suggest it was only the others. Otherwise you would not have posted so long, on a topic that has less than nothing to do with you. You aren't defending the industry with you're posting, nor are you doing them any favors (and you know that, so I won't pretend you are stupid on that). As such, yes, I can show the various put downs. You, however, probably won't see them.

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mrfoo1 wrote...

Recon101 wrote...

Yeah, I thought about spending a huge chunk of cash to get a high-end gaming rig so I could visit the 360 forums and act like an utter and complete jackass but I'm sure I'd fail the 'Conceit and Condescension' test they make you take.

We get it though. Despite selling approximately 3 times the number of units the consolers must kowtow to the compu-geek elite and humbly accept a broken product. You are god's gift to gaming afterall and so incredibly intelligent! Except for when you stole so much of the devs. efforts that they all but stopped producing PC first games. Might have outsmarted yourself on that one Albert.

Enjoy one of the last decent PC first IPs and know that we are the reason there will be a DA2.


In case your wondering this thread is about why the XBox hasn't recieved a patch in awhile when they need one. But thanks for sharing your redundant and usless, therefore invalid opinion.

You guys want to wait and wonder why you don't get any responses from bioware about the status of the XBox patching fine have at it. But enjoy gaming in the next few years because once the PC gamers stop playing games your not going to be seeing your nice graphics that you want. Because as much as it's easier to shell out for lower version standards for games, its the PC gamers that drive those standards up. So while your replacing your PS3's and XBox 360 to there inevitable PS10's and XBox 1080's @ 700$ a pop tp play sub par games, just remember that if it wan't for PC gaming in the first place every gamer would still be playing on a 8 bit console. And thats if the game industry would even have survived long enough to push something decent out.

You may hit the most sales. But you're over paying on those products by 25%.


That's cool. Now, if you have nothing constructive to say, you may leave. Now I can be free to apply to you that nobody cares about any PC vs Console arguments. I will not have to pay anyone tribute. That is that. If you feel that by having a PC you are doing a market a favor, well, best get back to that, then. We bad gamers, you good, since you own a PC. The gaming market revolves around the PC.

Jeez, I  thought PS3 vs 360 arguments were dumb (fun, though).

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[quote]mrfoo1 wrote...

[quote]valdermos wrote...

@mrfoo 1
It’s a basic consumer right to voice complaints towards a supplier if your unhappy with their product or the lack of customer support, also I’m confused as to why your here, you’ve already made it plain that you’re a pc fanboy so why are you on a console forum. I’ve read your same self-centred head up your own arse post’s on the ps3 forum, what’s the matter will no-one on the pc forum talk to you so you have to console bash and hope that you’ll get some attention. Here’s a bit of free advice GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mrfoo 1 wrote

Actually, if you read what I have posted you would realize that I'm not supporting either platform, PC, Xbox, PS3. I know it's difficult to look past your bias as it is with Supesims. And that it's as equally easy for you to insult me along with Supersims because you are unable to form any sort of valid argument that extends beyond "We are the consumer, we are always right" but I don't see how that has anything to do with any of my responses. Really why should I not try and correct delibratly misinforming posts posts like Supersims and Ziggurcat's (for those whom are wondering about what valdermos is infering to) when they hold no baring or water to any argument they are trying to discuss or bring forth and are actively doing nothing more then agitating a subset user group.


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Actually I have read your posts and on more than one occasion you have expressed a clear bias towards the pc platform so the reason I’ve called you a fanboy is because it’s the impression you project. Also as pointed out by Supesims you have shown the ability to throw out the insults when suited, so don’t go taking the moral high ground of oh I’ve been insulted when you’re as guilty of the same offence. As for not having a valid argument beyond “we are customers” what other argument do we need. When a project is planned, designed, implemented and produced with the end goal of selling their product to a consumer base there should and must be a strong consumer focus also with the provision of a customer support facility that must provide customer support. This strategy was intended to create product/ brand loyalty and therefore return healthy revenues i.e. happy satisfied customers means increased sales = more revenue and for a company that has released statements indicating 2 years of DLC/Expansions this has to be paramount. Now the facts are that a large section of the consumer base is dissatisfied with the product and the lack of customer support they have received. The adoption of the silence policy by Bioware has only succeeded in alienating what is their products largest consumer base i.e. sales of the product to the console user. Customer’s do not or shouldn’t be expected to care about how long it takes a dev team to create a patch when the purchase a game, their only concern is playing the game and if that game contains elements that render parts of the game unplayable it should be addressed in a timely matter, 4 months after game release and still no solution is NOT a timely matter.

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Realistically in order for me to discuss anything with you I would have to use two whole arguments. The first being well you are a console gamer. So everything you think you should have doesn't matter and you should be spending some 500$ or more on a game because your to poor to be able to afford a decent gaming PC. And secondly, get a PC and you won't have to worry about being a console gamer. And while both those seem like valid points for you and Supersims to factuate into an argument, it isn't for me. The bottom line is I can post whatever I like seeing as how I am not the one who is constantly bringing up the differences between consoles and PC for gaming, having either be a superior or one be inferior, or otherwise do anything to present that as my stance. Where as you and Supersims seem more then willing to start that discussion.


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Actually as my profile states I also have a registered copy for the pc so you’re argument is invalid and as you had already attacked the opinion of several console users on two forums before I posted anything I think it’s more of a case of you trying to factuate these topic’s into an argument.
 
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And you are right, voice your complaints away. I have neither told nor requested that you not. I have only stated the fact that the way you are going about doing so is inappropriate and has been proven to work against users for games that are not hosted online or of the MMO catagory and that knowing what it is that you want and what the process's involved in may make it less frustrating to be experiencing issues. If you would rather discuss which console is better offer an argument and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you, and I extend that to Supersims as well.


If you would take a second and stop reading everything on a personal level the capability to actually have a discussion that's based on the topic of the thread, as much as all you want is a response from a dev, would actually be more worthwhile then constantly being frustrated.


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To expect the consumer to be aware of the process of manufacturing a product or the time constraints on releasing a method to fix the problems they are experiencing is not only foolish but it borders on being a ridiculous idea. Exactly where in the planning process would that be suggested and by what idiot, if I buy a car I don’t know nor do I care exactly how it is manufactured or how long it has taken, I only expect it to perform in the manner it was designed to perform and hence the reason I purchased the product, and if I encounter a problem I also expect my concerns to be addressed. As indicated by many console users DA:O hasn’t received a patch to fix the in game bugs or has the console community received any acceptable amount of customer support, then the title of this forum i.e. Bioware gives console the shaft is completely  valid

Modifié par valdermos, 23 février 2010 - 02:43 .


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OnyxPrimal wrote...

Why are PC zealots who like to tell people how and what to play even doing in board for 360 support?


It's because they are bitter over the selection of games on the PC. :lol:

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mrfoo1 wrote...

Recon101 wrote...

Yeah, I thought about spending a huge chunk of cash to get a high-end gaming rig so I could visit the 360 forums and act like an utter and complete jackass but I'm sure I'd fail the 'Conceit and Condescension' test they make you take.

We get it though. Despite selling approximately 3 times the number of units the consolers must kowtow to the compu-geek elite and humbly accept a broken product. You are god's gift to gaming afterall and so incredibly intelligent! Except for when you stole so much of the devs. efforts that they all but stopped producing PC first games. Might have outsmarted yourself on that one Albert.

Enjoy one of the last decent PC first IPs and know that we are the reason there will be a DA2.


In case your wondering this thread is about why the XBox hasn't recieved a patch in awhile when they need one. But thanks for sharing your redundant and usless, therefore invalid opinion.

You guys want to wait and wonder why you don't get any responses from bioware about the status of the XBox patching fine have at it. But enjoy gaming in the next few years because once the PC gamers stop playing games your not going to be seeing your nice graphics that you want. Because as much as it's easier to shell out for lower version standards for games, its the PC gamers that drive those standards up. So while your replacing your PS3's and XBox 360 to there inevitable PS10's and XBox 1080's @ 700$ a pop tp play sub par games, just remember that if it wan't for PC gaming in the first place every gamer would still be playing on a 8 bit console. And thats if the game industry would even have survived long enough to push something decent out.

You may hit the most sales. But you're over paying on those products by 25%.


You are discarded. You are the refuse of the past.

Modifié par Ultron_ver2.0, 23 février 2010 - 09:39 .


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I think the whole thread is irrelevant, if the reason for it is that the PC version has a patch.



The point being, PC users deal with different problems than console users do. And envy isnt really appropriate.

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@ Valdermos/Supersims: The main reason, specifically for a lack of communication is because they either have nothing good to say, or they don't have anything to say at all. And that is not something that is difficult to understand. Why gamers, and yes specifically console gamers, feel the need to ignore what has already been established, when it even stems from the change of markets from PC gaming to Console gaming, and then complain about it is redundant. Companies are fully aware that the minor handful of people like the OP and Supersims will return the product while the other users will keep it, put up with it, and then buy whatever expansion content is released. That's why Bioware is able to ignore addressing an issue and that's why the consoles won't be seeing fix's for at least another month. Because they know out of 100 people 90 of them will still be there.

No matter how much consumer satisfaction you think game companies care about, the reality of and proven fact is that no matter what they do, people will still buy the product. That's why it's an industry standard to release buggy products. That's why PC vs Console arguments come up so much and that's why for any gamer, companies are able to charge what they do and then offer zero support. And that can not be over looked because of "consumer expectation".

So to say even for a second that as a consumer you shouldn't know anything about the electronic media you are buying or that because you're a consumer you should be absolved of any responsibility on your end, is the ridiculous idea. Markets do not change because of wish's and good will. They change because people learn enough about them to force them to change. Using your analogy Valdermos, when you buy that car, are you as the customer still not required to have an understanding or working knowledge of how the vehicle operates? It's the same concept with video games. If you repeatedly take it into the shop to get it fixed, is there not a level of understanding/knowledge that as a customer you are missing?

I am not trying to argue a sense of PC vs Console. I'm trying to explain that as a consumer you need to be more aware of what the hell your buying in the first place. And had the OP spent the time looking into why the XBox hasn't gotten any communication in regards to a patch he would have learned that it's for the exact same reason the PS3 hadn't gotten RTO. And thats giving the OP a 14 day period along with every other XBox user that agreed with him to do the neccessary research. So you can not say that Bioware is ignoring a community when the very efforts that as a complaining customer that should be taken are avoided.

And if I have offended anyone or put them down, I apologize. I was not trying to create a sense of discource between PC vs. Consoles. The only people I do not apologize to are Ziggurcat in the PS3 Forums and Elton John is Dead/Recon101. Drayvenn I hope you realize that the 3rd paragraph in a response to you was for humor alone which is why it's vague and uses ellipsis.

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mrfoo1 wrote...

Step one to getting what you want in the consumer market is to understand the product. I suggest a lot of Console gamers bother with that step first before they complain about anything.

Also for reference: Borderlands for the PC. Ports do not work. They do not work for PC and they do not work for console.

Also @ this toolbag.

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And I was about to buy this game! Hmm, well I can get it for free...so I can't complain. Just show your wrath to bioware so that in future, they KNOW to check the whole game more than once next time. With an expansion on the way, you best keep this thread running to remind Bioware to test the expansion before release.


Way to be a disease to the gaming market. Bobby Kotick loves and enjoys everything you do for him.


Hardly. If you wish to buy bugged games. Go and do so but stop blaming me. If you wish to waste your money. Fine go and do it and pay £200 for a game and all of its DLC while mister guy over there gets all the DLC and the game for £40 next year! Oh and just because I said I can get it DA:A for free (which I did) doesn't mean I got it by using piracy. I don't own a PC, although I have heard you can get games like that for Xbox 360; although I don't. So before you call people a disease you really need to consider the other possibilities of how someone can get a game for free. They can borrow it from a friend. Get it as a gift. Rent it for a small fee and buy it from somewhere and then get an exchange for it! Also; I think you have an obsession with Bobby Kotick, you should stop the obsession before it gets unhealthy.

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biggest BS in my eyes is the fact that some of the achievements on the 360 are unable to unlock, you can complete said task 20 times, but the achievement will not "pop", so to speak.



so many ppl, here on these forums have complained about this, and tbh, ive had it, i will not waste another dollar on any game from them unless they can manage WORKING ACHIEVEMENTS... thats a huge reason ppl buy games for the 360 (or the ps3 for trophies)... if they cant do that, why waste the money on their crap

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Holy necroposting, Batman!



Eh, anyway, console patches are released slower than PC patches because console patches have to go through an approval process with that console's manufacturer before they'll distribute it through their service ( XBox Live, whatever PS3's is called, you get the idea ). More red tape = slower patches.

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Tyger42 wrote...

Holy necroposting, Batman!

Eh, anyway, console patches are released slower than PC patches because console patches have to go through an approval process with that console's manufacturer before they'll distribute it through their service ( XBox Live, whatever PS3's is called, you get the idea ). More red tape = slower patches.


Really? Why is it then that they can get a patch out ready for the Darkspawn Chronicles before it's release? Think about it for a second.

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Arijharn wrote...

Tyger42 wrote...

Holy necroposting, Batman!

Eh, anyway, console patches are released slower than PC patches because console patches have to go through an approval process with that console's manufacturer before they'll distribute it through their service ( XBox Live, whatever PS3's is called, you get the idea ). More red tape = slower patches.


Really? Why is it then that they can get a patch out ready for the Darkspawn Chronicles before it's release? Think about it for a second.

I agree, they have no problem getting out patches when it comes to dlc to make money, but lots of problems when it comes to spending money to fix the game. If it were simply MS holding it up they would've told us, which would take a lot of heat off of them because a lot of people are pretty angry from the lack of any real fixes so far. We don't even have the same patches that the pc has as well, whatever the reason they really dropped the ball with this game and it will come back to haunt them. Almost eight months later and we just now get a thread about fixes, which of course has no timeline at all, so it'll be interesting to see how they do there.

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I agree, Boiware is alienating a large number of its community. How hard is it to make a patch for these bugs?

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We "Xbox 360" console owners have all been pee pee'd on and crapped on when it comes to getting fast updates and patches for Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age Origins: Awakening

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I agree that Bioware has shafted the 360 owners with patches and updates. If they are going to make a game that crosses multiple platforms they should make patches that cross multiple platforms. Not just a patch for one and none for the others. They are seriously hurting their profit margin this way by alienating half if not three quarters of their consumer base. By only focusing on PC problems and not on the 360 and PS3 problems, most of their customers won't buy their new games they produce. Not a smart business move from a business model stand point.
However calling names, insulting and flaming people and insulting and flaming Bioware won't get things done either. Yes I know everyone is upset, but by insulting these people it only makes them want to just say 'screw the gamers' and do something else. Please stop with the flames and insults, they never work.

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Bioware just hates console users, so sad, get over it and move on. I don't even play the game anymore, but I'll start again in a few years when they patch it.

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i never noticed any bugs

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Mdfitz wrote...

i never noticed any bugs


If you can get by the huge memory leak that can cause freeze and loot lag, the broken quests that you can spend several hours to figure out before you understand that they are broken, the audio glitches in dialogues, the low damage you do with a dexterity built rogue due to the dexterity bug, the suddenly corruption to your saves because you sold to many items to one merchant, floating and stucked animations on characters, and not to mention the billions of other bugs on the expansion pack, then sir, you got a high tolerance to pain and frustration.