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[Bullets McDeath]

It is still a bit early to dismiss the expansion entirely... unless reams more of bad news hits between now and the release, I'll almost certainly buy it and try it out... reserving the right to b*tch and moan after my money is spent =D. But I had literally just started a playthrough where I planned to make some very different decisions that the ones I usually make and then sacrifice him, so I'd have an interesting (to me, anyway) version of Ferelden to try out the Orlesian Warden with. Not sure what to do with the character, heh. Now if I play the Orlesian Warden, I'll get some lite-canon intro. Just BLEH.

Lack of romances I can get over in an expansion. The DLC thing though is a real headscratcher. It will ultimately depend on how the game starts us out, it may end up being a total non-issue. So much of this "wait and see before whining", I think.

That said, it does seem like most of the issues I have are things they could have found solutions for(incompatible with DLC, unable to import a dead character without off-screen bogus tres lame resurrection) if they weren't pushing out an expansion for a game that's not even 6 months old. I'm excited about new content but with the realities of game development, Dragon Age may end up sacrificing alot of quality to it's ambitions.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 13 février 2010 - 11:45 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

outlaworacle wrote...

It is still a bit early to dismiss the expansion entirely... unless reams more of bad news hits between now and the release, I'll almost certainly buy it and try it out... reserving the right to b*tch and moan after my money is spent =D. But I had literally just started a playthrough where I planned to make some very different decsions than I usually make and then sacrifice him, so I'd have an interesting (to me, anyway) version of Ferelden to try out the Orlesian Warden with. Now if I play the Orlesian Warden, I'll get some lite-canon intro. Just BLEH.

Lack of romances I can get over in an expansion. The DLC thing though is a real headscratcher. It will ultimately depend on how the game starts us out, it may end up being a total non-issue. So much of this "wait and see before whining", I think.

That said, it does seem like most of the issues I have seem like things they could have found solutions for if they weren't pushing out an expansion for a game that's not even 6 months old. I'm excited about new content but with the realities of game development, Dragon Age may end up sacrificing alot of quality to it's ambitions.

Exactly, I mean they could potentially do a lite-canon but they already say who is reappearing.  I mean what if my character put Alistair as king, spared Loghain and sacrificed themself?  I can guarantee you that the Orlesian canon will put Alistair as king, killed Loghain and the character sacrificed themselves.  Lame, especially since you can have the previous setup I mentioned if your character survived.  

[Zabaniya]

I must be one of the few who doesn't care about everything else people are complaining about.

No romances? Alrighty; it's just me and my pixelated right hand until DA2.

No DLC items? Alrighty, time to get new items/make some mods.

Dead Warden rising from the dead? No problem. I don't even have a dead warden lulz.



Yep. That's me. My glass is completely full.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also explains Oghren, he was the only safe character in the whole group (I couldn't find a way to kill him anyway)

[Bullets McDeath]

Supposedly, Oghren CAN be killed, it's just nearly impossible. You have to get his approval to -100 and talk sh*t to him in camp, supposedly at that point if you ask him to leave you get an oppurtunity to fight him, and can kill him.

However, most people won't have him in their party long enough to get that much approval in either direction. You can either use the console to remove all his approval, or you could theoretically get him straight after Lothering, take him everywhere you go, never gift him and always choose what pisses him off. At which point you are so deliberately manipulating the game it is not much different than cheating.

So, assuming it's even true, Oghren is still not killable for basically 99.9% of players.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 13 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

Edit: I don't care for the new talents/skills. The current game doesn't even work well with ones that exits. Let them first release a patch that actually fixes those and the other DA:O bugs. But that won't be happening. The focus is now on Awakening. Chances for support for DA:O are now gone.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 février 2010 - 12:07 .

[danielsun1]

Zabaniya wrote...

I must be one of the few who doesn't care about everything else people are complaining about.
No romances? Alrighty; it's just me and my pixelated right hand until DA2.
No DLC items? Alrighty, time to get new items/make some mods.
Dead Warden rising from the dead? No problem. I don't even have a dead warden lulz.

Yep. That's me. My glass is completely full.

i feel pretty much the same, just a little sad face with the loss of my blood dragon armour which looked lovely

[Bullets McDeath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

I was also hoping for something more along the lines of a giant DLC... a huge chunk of new content, integrated into the main campaign. Like Warden's Keep x 10. This is more like Dragon Age 1.5 in a way.

[AngryFrozenWater]

outlaworacle wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

I was also hoping for something more along the lines of a giant DLC... a huge chunk of new content, integrated into the main campaign. Like Warden's Keep x 10. This is more like Dragon Age 1.5 in a way.

I agree. I can understand that DA2 is a new game. In that case I understand that I start a new character from scratch and that all DA:O NPCs will be gone. That will be fine by me. But in Awakening something similar happens. It looks like you don't start from scratch, but this is an illusion because the game is leveled: the effect is the same. Cameos are superficial. They add absolutely nothing to the game. They cannot compare to the real thing. BW should quit with nonsense like that. They have tried with ME2 and it didn't work. Look at the ME2 boards. Even the most loyal fans are puzzled and are now hoping that ME3 will correct the mess. Don't the DA:O devs read them? I don't think so. I just think that they do not care anymore what gamers (their customers) like or not like.

If all this has to do with money then they shouldn't price the game 10 euro cheaper than the regular game. It is pretty expensive. And beware, there are no more costs in the development of the games engine, its tools and the content management system. All they have to do is create proper content.

[Wishpig]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

Edit: I don't care for the new talents/skills. The current game doesn't even work well with ones that exits. Let them first release a patch that actually fixes those and the other DA:O bugs. But that won't be happening. The focus is now on Awakening. Chances for support for DA:O are now gone.

Don't be so foolish and pig-headed.

It could very well end up sucking and being a waste of money, but then agian, it could end up being a very worthy addition to the franchise. Oghren may be expanded on and made deeper, sense he has a large role he may undergo some very big changes in personality, even if thats not the case, five other personalities to fall in love with. You have no idea how romances and cameos will be represented. I'm not happy about the DLC, but frankly my character will need to switch it for better armor and weapons.

People need to be open minded to

A. The fact the game may suck
B. The fact the game may be awesome.

But declaring A or B now is a fools game.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 février 2010 - 12:40 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wishpig wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

Edit: I don't care for the new talents/skills. The current game doesn't even work well with ones that exits. Let them first release a patch that actually fixes those and the other DA:O bugs. But that won't be happening. The focus is now on Awakening. Chances for support for DA:O are now gone.

Don't be so foolish and pig-headed.

It could very well end up sucking and being a waste of money, but then agian, it could end up being a very worthy addition to the franchise. Oghren may be expanded on and made deeper, sense he has a large role he may undergo some very big changes in personality, even if thats not the case, five other personalities to fall in love with. You have no idea how romances and cameos will be represented. I'm not happy about the DLC, but frankly my character will need to switch it for better armor and weapons.

People need to be open minded to

A. The fact the game may suck
B. The fact the game may be awesome.

But declaring A or B now is a fools game.

Foolish and pig headed? If you want to insult me then you should do better than that.

Usually one does not start with comments like that if you want to discuss a topic on the same level. It looks like you don't want that. This is typical for the BW hardcore fans. It seems like they do this all the time and think that it is the proper way to communicate. I have news for you. It is not.

You are absolutely not open minded to any other view than your own. Your attitude proves that. You don't bring any new arguments to the discussion other than the game may suck or not. Let me give you some more news. It is not supposed to be a new game. It is supposed to be an expansion.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[Wishpig]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I will not be buying this expansion. It has absolutely no value for me. Oghren is a funny drunk. That's all. I rather get drunk myself. I have my belly full of cameos. The ones in ME2 were awful and I don't want to see a repetition of that in DA. Romances gone? Screw it. What a terrible decision. My characters use items from the DLCs. If these cannot be used then I am not willing to hunt for new replacements. Also, I don't like the idea that I have to play it after the game. But I could live with that if the expansion added something worthwhile to the game. An expansion is something that extends the game (as the name suggests) and this thing only limits it.

Edit: I don't care for the new talents/skills. The current game doesn't even work well with ones that exits. Let them first release a patch that actually fixes those and the other DA:O bugs. But that won't be happening. The focus is now on Awakening. Chances for support for DA:O are now gone.

Don't be so foolish and pig-headed.

It could very well end up sucking and being a waste of money, but then agian, it could end up being a very worthy addition to the franchise. Oghren may be expanded on and made deeper, sense he has a large role he may undergo some very big changes in personality, even if thats not the case, five other personalities to fall in love with. You have no idea how romances and cameos will be represented. I'm not happy about the DLC, but frankly my character will need to switch it for better armor and weapons.

People need to be open minded to

A. The fact the game may suck
B. The fact the game may be awesome.

But declaring A or B now is a fools game.

Foolish and pig headed? If you want to insult me then you should do better than that.

Usually one does not start with comments like that if you want to discuss a topic on the same level. It looks like you don't want that. This is typical for the BW hardcore fans. It seems like they do this all the time and think that it is the proper way to communicate. I have news for you. It is not.

You are absolutely not open minded to any other view than your own. Your attitude proves that. You don't bring any new arguments to the discussion other than the game may suck or not. Let me give you some more news. It is not supposed to be a new game. It is supposed to be an expansion.

Ohh, I could have done better if I truly wanted to insult you, but I didn't want to.

You can judge what you hear about a game before release, like disliking the idea of no returning DLC, thats fine. You can point out predicted flaws, thats fine. You can decide you hate a game after you played it, thats fine. Hell, you can even judge a game off reviews and player feedback (even though many claim otherwise.) But declaring you won't buy a game before anyone has really laid hands on it is, is simply, foolish and stubborn (aka pig-headed.) BTW a hardcore fanboy useally doesn't acknowledge the game may suck hard... I have strong doubts, but I'll decide if I want to buy the game when I hear if it's actually good or not.

Is it ironic that I'm not open-minded to being close-minded?

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 février 2010 - 01:20 .

[Abriael_CG]

Wishpig wrote...

Ohh, I could have done better if I truly wanted to insult you, but I didn't want to.

Well now, igiven that "foolish and pigheades" is when you don't want to insult, now you piqued my curiosity about when the insult is intentional...

[Raven2131990]

This is so bs, i loved dragon age,and i really like morrigan. Romancing her and leliana was a very fun part of the game. I was hoping for them to return. I can understand the time constraint on the developers, but come on, at least let them have a cameo or something. And the dlc item exclusion, whats the point of us buying them if in the end we cant use them in the expansion, or at least compensate us for buying them in the expansion. I feel kinda cheated if i ant continue using them in the expansion for my characters. Just died on the inside a little.

[Lord Atlia]

@Wishpig some people are seeing patterns where there might not be any. I have a lot of friends who were disappointed in Mass Effect 2 and how they sidelined a lot of the cast, Wrex, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Udina, Anderson, Hackett, and so forth. I love the characters of DA just like I love the characters of both Mass Effects, of Baldur's Gate, and so forth. Bioware writes the best characters of any game developer in my humble opinion. However it seems Bioware has a problem writing character growth (Tali is an exception to rule, at least in my biased opinion) between games and just starts over. This could be because they have a habit of removing character shields lately and thus because some people will not have a character they don't want to waste funds on the character. As for me, if the internet and critics reach a consensus that DA:A is good I might be compelled to buy it, but at the same time I am also compelled to not buy it out of protest for their insistence on separating the PC from his or her party.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wishpig wrote...

Ohh, I could have done better if I truly wanted to insult you, but I didn't want to.

You can judge what you hear about a game before release, like disliking the idea of no returning DLC, thats fine. You can point out predicted flaws, thats fine. You can decide you hate a game after you played it, thats fine. Hell, you can even judge a game off reviews and player feedback (even though many claim otherwise.) But declaring you won't buy a game before anyone has really laid hands on it is, is simply, foolish and stubborn (aka pig-headed.)

Is it ironic that I'm not open-minded to being close-minded?

You can keep on having that attitude if you like. But I thought it was fair to let you know that I see what you were doing. Even now you keep on doing that. Anyway...

It is my money to spend. I will buy a product if I think it is worth it. Based on the FAQs released by BW and linked in the OP I can decide whether or not the product has the qualities which I expect from it. As said before, currently it does not have these qualities for the reasons mentioned earlier.

But you are still not addressing any concerns I have put forward. Mind you, you don't need to do respond to my opinion. I didn't kick your dog. There is no need to be defensive. But if you really insist on discussing what I had to say then it helps if you actually address those concerns. The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

If I had to buy the expansion in order to be actually able to decide whether it is good or not then I am already too late. I have already done something similar with ME2. I thought I would give it a chance, because ME1 was agreat game. So far I am not impressed by ME2. I am not willing to take another risk like that with the expansion, because it looks like BW is making the same mistakes all over again.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 février 2010 - 01:34 .

[RadikalDreamer]

The dead warden rising pisses me off way more than it probably should. Bioware shouldn't be handwaving their story that easily especially when there's a very good solution. Why couldn't you put in the option to start as the Orlesian Warden, but import the choices and skills of your dead warden. That way your warden's still dead and you're starting in the story anew, but you can still have all the benefits of importing. I thought for sure that's how they were going to do it.

[Bullets McDeath]

RadikalDreamer wrote...

The dead warden rising pisses me off way more than it probably should. Bioware shouldn't be handwaving their story that easily especially when there's a very good solution. Why couldn't you put in the option to start as the Orlesian Warden, but import the choices and skills of your dead warden. That way your warden's still dead and you're starting in the story anew, but you can still have all the benefits of importing. I thought for sure that's how they were going to do it.

It seems as if that was the original plan, but some kind of technical hiccup is preventing them from doing it. It annoys me as well, especially as it would likely be an easier obstacle to overcome if they weren't rushing this expansion out the door before the original game is even cold.

[worksa8]

I typed my massive response, but the forum glitched out and made me waste like 15 minutes.

Logn story short:

No DLC ITEMS going through (Shale and such I could understand), but removing this is what lost me. Maybe when the price drops I'll pick it up, but with only like 5% backwards compatability- I just don't care anymore.

[Onyx Jaguar]

RadikalDreamer wrote...

The dead warden rising pisses me off way more than it probably should. Bioware shouldn't be handwaving their story that easily especially when there's a very good solution. Why couldn't you put in the option to start as the Orlesian Warden, but import the choices and skills of your dead warden. That way your warden's still dead and you're starting in the story anew, but you can still have all the benefits of importing. I thought for sure that's how they were going to do it.

That would only make sense, it seems like Bioware is going out of their way to not make sense.  I mean its not like we are asking them to add months of dev time on this, they have either possibility already in place it seems but they just didn't connect it for some reason and that is baffling.  

I hate to judge something before it comes out but I've played enough games and enough expansions to extinguish my optimism when bizarre crap like this starts to happen. 

[worksa8]

You don't HAVE to bring him back from the dead, they just did that because some people didn't want to be screwed out of one of the expansions benefits because of one choice. Key thing here is you don't HAVE to take advantage of this, you can ignore it just the same...I could never understand why situations where people can choose what they want are bickered over x_X

I don't see the check Yes or No for keeping DLC gear though T_T

No matter, I'm just bored and finishing up in this forum- no point in comign back, I might finish this current playthrough on Origins but then I'm done with it...

All that money on the game...dlc...then I get screwed over....

[Wishpig]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Ohh, I could have done better if I truly wanted to insult you, but I didn't want to.

You can judge what you hear about a game before release, like disliking the idea of no returning DLC, thats fine. You can point out predicted flaws, thats fine. You can decide you hate a game after you played it, thats fine. Hell, you can even judge a game off reviews and player feedback (even though many claim otherwise.) But declaring you won't buy a game before anyone has really laid hands on it is, is simply, foolish and stubborn (aka pig-headed.)

Is it ironic that I'm not open-minded to being close-minded?

You can keep on having that attitude if you like. But I thought it was fair to let you know that I see what you were doing. Even now you keep on doing that. Anyway...

It is my money to spend. I will buy a product if I think it is worth it. Based on the FAQs released by BW and linked in the OP I can decide whether or not the product has the qualities which I expect from it. As said before, currently it does not have these qualities for the reasons mentioned earlier.

But you are still not addressing any concerns I have put forward. Mind you, you don't need to do respond to my opinion. I didn't kick your dog. There is no need to be defensive. But if you really insist on discussing what I had to say then it helps if you actually address those concerns. The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

If I had to buy the expansion in order to be actually able to decide whether it is good or not then I am already too late. I have already done something similar with ME2. I thought I would give it a chance, because ME1 was agreat game. So far I am not impressed by ME2. I am not willing to take another risk like that with the expansion, because it looks like BW is making the same mistakes all over again.

I'm not responding to any of your points because I too am worried about them, you obviously mistake my meaning. Nor do I think you should BUY the game TO judge it, we don't all have that kind of money.

All I am saying is when you decide to or not to (it goes both ways) buy a game before a single customer has laid hands on it, that is, well.... foolish and pig-headed.  Did you enjoy dragon age? If the answer is yes, then wait and see what the word on the street is when the products released.

Hell, theres no point to me really saying this. If the game turns out to be damn good, your gonna buy it. If it turns out to suck your not gonna.

Lord Atlia wrote...
As for me, if the internet and critics
reach a consensus that DA:A is good I might be compelled to buy it, but
at the same time I am also compelled to not buy it out of protest for
their insistence on separating the PC from his or her party.

This is a much better way of looking at it. This is what I mean.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

And yet it remains true.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 février 2010 - 01:54 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Shavon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain's making a cameo. Good.

I wonder if that means seeing a drunken Alis:unsure:tair.  

Hehe. I was thinking the same.

[Bullets McDeath]

worksa8 wrote...

You don't HAVE to bring him back from the dead, they just did that because some people didn't want to be screwed out of one of the expansions benefits because of one choice. Key thing here is you don't HAVE to take advantage of this, you can ignore it just the same...I could never understand why situations where people can choose what they want are bickered over x_X
I don't see the check Yes or No for keeping DLC gear though T_T
No matter, I'm just bored and finishing up in this forum- no point in comign back, I might finish this current playthrough on Origins but then I'm done with it...
All that money on the game...dlc...then I get screwed over....

What cheese my doodle about it, is I was looking forward to playing the Orlesian Warden and having to deal with the consequences of the choices of the Warden I sacrificed. Now that's not possible. Now your character is miraculously not dead, cause, hey, it's a game about choices, and choices have consequences (except when they don't!!)!

[RadikalDreamer]

worksa8 wrote...

You don't HAVE to bring him back from the dead, they just did that because some people didn't want to be screwed out of one of the expansions benefits because of one choice. Key thing here is you don't HAVE to take advantage of this, you can ignore it just the same...I could never understand why situations where people can choose what they want are bickered over x_X
I don't see the check Yes or No for keeping DLC gear though T_T
No matter, I'm just bored and finishing up in this forum- no point in comign back, I might finish this current playthrough on Origins but then I'm done with it...
All that money on the game...dlc...then I get screwed over....

Yeah, you don't have to bring him back. I'm not against that option being there, though I think it is kind of stupid. The worse thing is that if you have a dead warden there's no way for you to get your choices into the expansion WITHOUT completely negating the story of the first one.