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[KneeTheCap]

I don't get this fuss about romances. It's been confirmed that there are no new romances, and you cannot advance the existing romance, but it's still there. That is good enough for me. I'm sure there is a scene, where your warden is in camp, sits down by the fire, alone, all sentimental and thinking about his/her love back home. Tears are flowing, but all is put to a sudden stop, because Oghren stumbles next to you, burps, mumbles something about ****** and decides to throw up. Next thing you know, you are being offered an acute option of "toss the dwarf".

So, in a nutshell, awakening is probably awesome, story gets new dimensions and depth (hopefully) and your romance doesn't end. This is an expansion after all, not a sequel. And as it has been speculated, I really do think that the DA2 is a direct sequel and will bring back the old companions and advances the story further.

Modifié par KneeTheCap, 14 février 2010 - 03:30 .

[RavenousBear]

Hmm, if your character had a romance dissolved by choice or because of certain circumstances (like Alistair being King/not hardening him), will there be a difference in dialogue or will npcs that will make cameo appearances like Alistair still treat you as if you were just friends? I looked around and could not find the answer specifically for "former" romances.

[Wishpig]

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

And yet it remains true.

This is not true. There have been and there will continue to be plenty of products that even the most uninformed can tell will fail and can classify as stupid/bad/lol from the first preview. An example.

Thanks for proving my point... that product may be laughible to some, but it isn't to people who need it, the handicapped and the obese.

See, you just judged a product unfairly and without doing research. You judged to quickly off limited knowledge.

YES, sometimes you can predict something will be bad and be right, BUT you can also judge unfairly and be WRONG. It happens to everyone. If you liked Dragon Age, then writing off awakaning before anyone has laid hands on the sucker is foolish and pig-headed. Wait till something substantial like reviews and feedback before making up your mind.

And I am not speaking about people who have doubts or even threaten not to buy.

I am speaking about 95% of the people who strait out say, "I'm not gonna buy because *insert point*". however, people who actually stick to their claim if the game gets good reviews and feedback are rare...

I have not proven your point in the slightest. Stating something does not make it so.

You assumptions regarding the attractiveness of a product to a certain audience do nothing to further your initial point that assessing a product's worth for ONESELF before "anyone has tried it"  is innacurate. Conversely, your reaction could be considered as proving my point, which is: if there is a personal preference factor that affects the purchase decision, there can be no rights or wrongs in arriving at that decision as it is a personal process.

Your further assumptions regarding how I arrived at any opinion and the depths of my research and/or knowledge do not discredit the veracity of my point nor increase the validity of yours.

Your attribution of percentages without any reliable backing do not validate your opinion.

Your insistance in calling people pig-headed for making a decision regarding a purchase based on a personal preference and thought process is hypocritical given you are making an assessment and decision to call such people pig-headed before you know how they arrived at their stance or "laid your hands on them" at all. (hehe)

It would be better if you abstained from stubbornly repeating a flawed argument. It makes you look pig-headed from my stance.

You pretty much called a product for the handicapped bad/stupid/lol... and I'm pretty sure you had no idea thats who it was mainly for. You can try to save yourself all u want, but lets cut to the chase, eh, and cut this argument to the bare bones.

You can dress it up all you want, try to make your empty points sound complex, but bottom line I'm argueing for keeping an open mind your defending keeping a closed mind.

What I'm saying is, if you liked dragon age, it's foolish to decide you don't want the game when you can simply wait untill it's released, and make a more well informed decsion.

In the end, it's up to buyer, but I think making a impatiant and concrete decision on limited knowelge is foolish.

This whole argument is fail though, because honestly, most (if not all) of the people who claim their not gonna get the game now are gonna check out reviews, ect, after the games release and decide off of that.

[ArcanistLibram]

Yes, the DLC items are going to become obsolete eventually. They keyword here being "eventually". It'll be hard to find better gear if I have to walk around naked and punch Darkspawn to death with my bare hands. Besides, there is no reason why DLC items should not carry over.

[Hugmejohnny]

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

And yet it remains true.

This is not true. There have been and there will continue to be plenty of products that even the most uninformed can tell will fail and can classify as stupid/bad/lol from the first preview. An example.

Thanks for proving my point... that product may be laughible to some, but it isn't to people who need it, the handicapped and the obese.

See, you just judged a product unfairly and without doing research. You judged to quickly off limited knowledge.

YES, sometimes you can predict something will be bad and be right, BUT you can also judge unfairly and be WRONG. It happens to everyone. If you liked Dragon Age, then writing off awakaning before anyone has laid hands on the sucker is foolish and pig-headed. Wait till something substantial like reviews and feedback before making up your mind.

And I am not speaking about people who have doubts or even threaten not to buy.

I am speaking about 95% of the people who strait out say, "I'm not gonna buy because *insert point*". however, people who actually stick to their claim if the game gets good reviews and feedback are rare...

I have not proven your point in the slightest. Stating something does not make it so.

You assumptions regarding the attractiveness of a product to a certain audience do nothing to further your initial point that assessing a product's worth for ONESELF before "anyone has tried it"  is innacurate. Conversely, your reaction could be considered as proving my point, which is: if there is a personal preference factor that affects the purchase decision, there can be no rights or wrongs in arriving at that decision as it is a personal process.

Your further assumptions regarding how I arrived at any opinion and the depths of my research and/or knowledge do not discredit the veracity of my point nor increase the validity of yours.

Your attribution of percentages without any reliable backing do not validate your opinion.

Your insistance in calling people pig-headed for making a decision regarding a purchase based on a personal preference and thought process is hypocritical given you are making an assessment and decision to call such people pig-headed before you know how they arrived at their stance or "laid your hands on them" at all. (hehe)

It would be better if you abstained from stubbornly repeating a flawed argument. It makes you look pig-headed from my stance.

You pretty much called a product for the handicapped bad/stupid/lol... and I'm pretty sure you had no idea thats who it was mainly for. You can try to save yourself all u want, but lets cut to the chase, eh, and cut this argument to the bare bones.

You can dress it up all you want, try to make your empty points sound complex, but bottom line I'm argueing for keeping an open mind your defending keeping a closed mind.

What I'm saying is, if you liked dragon age, it's foolish to decide you don't want the game when you can simply wait untill it's released, and make a more well informed decsion.

In the end, it's up to buyer, but I think making a impatiant and concrete decision on limited knowelge is foolish.

This whole argument is fail though, because honestly, most (if not all) of the people who claim their not gonna get the game now are gonna check out reviews, ect, after the games release and decide off of that.

@Wishpig just give up man if people want to be stupid and immature let them be. Everyone with half a brain or anyone whose not a stubborn fanboy/fangirl will wait and see what the final product is like. These whiners just want to whine :crying::crying: and will most likley buy the expansion no matter what little immature threats they throw out there.

[CybAnt1]

It'll be hard to find better gear if I have to walk around naked and punch Darkspawn to death with my bare hands. 

All the more reason to introduce a monk/unarmed martial-artist class! 

Sorry ... couldn't help it. I mean this walking around naked stuff ... just use the dozens of OTHER, non-DlC weapons & armor still available to you, until you get the better stuff you can find.

Or wait the 5 days after the game is released to get the mod that gives the DlC stuff back to you, I predict this is the very first project modders will work on. 



 

[Feraele]

Did you know that labels such as fanboy, fangirl, troll..etc are cited in the rules of the forum as not allowable while we're debating issues? ^^ If not perhaps you have some reading to catch up on.

[Feraele]

CybAnt1 wrote...

It'll be hard to find better gear if I have to walk around naked and punch Darkspawn to death with my bare hands. 

All the more reason to introduce a monk/unarmed martial-artist class! 

Sorry ... couldn't help it. I mean this walking around naked stuff ... just use the dozens of OTHER, non-DlC weapons & armor still available to you, until you get the better stuff you can find.

Or wait the 5 days after the game is released to get the mod that gives the DlC stuff back to you, I predict this is the very first project modders will work on. 

 Well being that its mentioned that the former mods may not work with Awakening, I think the modders are going to have their work cut out for them..when making stuff for the new expac.

Lets hope some of these things that are being removed and made unavailable by Bioware...are able to be put back by the modding community.

They know what we want.

Modifié par Feraele, 14 février 2010 - 03:48 .

[Hugmejohnny]

Feraele wrote...

Did you know that labels such as fanboy, fangirl, troll..etc are cited in the rules of the forum as not allowable while we're debating issues? ^^ If not perhaps you have some reading to catch up on.

Awwww, well, sense I'm not debaiting anything guess the above doesn't apply. Go tattle if you want though :police:

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 14 février 2010 - 03:56 .

[Feraele]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Did you know that labels such as fanboy, fangirl, troll..etc are cited in the rules of the forum as not allowable while we're debating issues? ^^ If not perhaps you have some reading to catch up on.

Awwww, well, sense I'm not debaiting anything guess the above doesn't apply. Go tattle if you want though :police:

Well maybe you are "debating" and maybe you're not.  

I won't have to tattle btw...mods read these threads.

[sonlockdon]

lol

[anubis969]

Ubasti wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

On the no DLC-items carryover issue: this is the one complaint I'm not sure I'm really getting.

A lot of the DlC items are Tier 1-3 and are already well superseded by non-DlC stuff by the end of the base game. But the bottom line is even the ones that are Tier 6-7will prolly be exceeded by the Tier 8-10 gear that's likely to be coming for your level 25+ character.

Are you going to miss Starfang when there are likely to be 2H swords that will be much better?

Fact is, as you start climbing into the higher levels of the expansion, your beloved DlC gear from the original game is likely to look clunky, even against "garden variety" "greens" you can probably start finding early in the new one.

Well, I updated my DLC gear to tier 7, and it is not about how useful it is, it's about the story. For example the Warden Commander Armor, my character relished it, because it reminded her of the Wardens of old. She felt like she belonged to something when wearing it. She (fem HN) also had her family sword and shield with her till the end of the game, just for comparison to the issue here. And then Duncan's swords, now those are the ones that really have meaning to her as well. That is why I would like to have them along to the expansion. But since it is no can do, I'll have to live with that. I just wait to learn more about the world and its secrets and immerse myself to the game.

To CybAnt1 I just want to echo Ubasti,
 
First off most of the DLC items are not tier 1-3, most scale depending on the level you acquire them. For example in my current play through I acquired the Warden Commanders Armour at lv12 and the set was tier 4 but on my last play through I waited until later and acquired the set at lv18 and the set was tier 7. Also most DLC items can be upgraded with the party chest or Mikhael Dryden, depending on system, if you do acquire them early.
 
The problem people like myself have with not including DLC items in Awakenings is three fold.
 
First off the DLC items are some of the best items in the game, especially if you play a warrior. Plus they're free, which is great for people like myself who aren't money savvy. You are entirely right, there is bound to be better equipment in Awakenings, but the issue is over what people are supposed to wear until they get this better equipment. One would assume BioWare will give your character a starting set of gear so characters who are decked out in DLC items don't have to start the game naked. But will this gear be any good? And will it cater for every play style? If not then your character might as well start naked.
 
I have faith BioWare are on top of the problem but not knowing what BioWare has planned is half the problem.
 
The third issue is role play. My character Cassiel, has the Warden Commanders Armour, not for the stats, but because she looks amazing in it. Plus by the end of the game she had become the Warden Commander so it really suited her from a story point of view as well.
 
The third issue people have with DLC items not carrying over is that we essentially payed for them. Don't get me wrong no one brought the DLC just for the items but I know for me at least the items were one of the deciding factors. Lets also not forget that BioWare used the items as one of the major selling points of the DLC. Another issue here is what about future DLC items, can we expect the same treatment? Awakenings is alot shorter than Origins which means we'll get less mileage out of the DLC items, and if they won't carry forward either I can see alot of people thinking twice about buying future DLC.
 
To Silensfurtim, LMFAO. Bravo sir, bravo.

Modifié par anubis969, 14 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[AndreaDraco]

@ Silensfurtim: *claps hands frantically*



Kudos! Bravo!

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

"A chance to reclaim a kings lost armor and weapons" or something to that degree comes to mind. Funny how they didn't tell us that in a month time that stuff we went to claim would be useless eh? God, aren't we all glad we bought that stuff?

Modifié par JKJEDIKNIGHT, 14 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[Maferath]

Delicious Pie wrote...

So, based on the faq, am I correct in assuming that the only way to play as the Orlesian Gray Warden will be to start an entirely new game, without importing anything?

If that is indeed the case, I will be greatly disappointed. I was very much looking forward to importing my 'ultimate sacrifice' save, where I would be able to play as the Orlesian Gray Warden yet still see the consequences of my deceased PC's actions from Origins.

I concur...

I mean wth? does that mean the ultimate sacrifice ending is completely ignored in favor of the others? strange way to "carry our choices over"....

I really hope this revival nonsense is only an option for those who want to keep their characters and not something that is forced upon us

Modifié par Maferath, 14 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[CybAnt1]

First off most of the DLC items are not tier 1-3, most scale depending on the level you acquire them. 

Well, it's weird. I knew nothing about the game auto scaling stuff for you. For example, it seems like some of the RtO stuff is Tier 5 no matter what level you decide to RtO. 

I had read about mods where you can auto scale your items to Tier 7 (or whatever) but never used them yet.

Until reading the forums recently, I didn't know this was something you could do yourself sans mods ... that just by putting them in the party chest or buying them back from merchants later they would "auto upgrade". I had no idea.

It's interesting because there are a few good DlC and NON DlC items that are only Tier 4, 5, or 6 and would be even more awesome were they 7 ... now I know I can scale them.  

However, like I said, even Tier 7 epics of Origins might start paling compared to the Tier 8 starting equipment of Awakening. 

 
One would assume BioWare will give your character a starting set of gear so characters who are decked out in DLC items don't have to start the game naked. 

Well think about it. If you start a new from scratch Orlesian warden, he's likely to start out equipped. And unlike your original lvl 1 dude starting out with leather armor, a dagger, and a piece of bread, since he's starting prolly at level 18-20 my guess is he may even start the game with decent equipment, some of it magic. 

So if a new char starts that way, don't you think your returning char could get decked out similarly, maybe as an option? 

The third issue is role play. My character Cassiel, has the Warden Commanders Armour, not for the stats, but because she looks amazing in it. Plus by the end of the game she had become the Warden Commander so it really suited her from a story point of view as well.

I'm not pure powergamer by any stretch and I understand your point. #1, a lot of the DlC armor just plain LOOKS very nice on your char, probably a lot better than the garden variety stuff. #2, a lot of it is clearly storyline important, I mean, come on, who's just going to throw the former King Cailan's armor in a trashbin or sell it to somebody in dust town, after having recovered it from the battlefield? 
 
#2 is where I see your POV. 

The third issue people have with DLC items not carrying over is that we essentially payed for them. 

Like I said, I hear you. I love Shale. I love his (her) unique abilities. Dog just growls, charges, and knocks people down. Shale can throw boulders at them, rain them with rocks, slam them back into walls, knock them off their feet with a mini quake, give off a burst of energy that stuns them and buffs him, etc. I'm going to miss him a lot. Although I guess s/he was DlC I *didn't* pay for.  

But you gotta move on in life... I'm hoping they'll be a unique character like him/her/it waiting for us in Awakenings. 

[Abriael_CG]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

"A chance to reclaim a kings lost armor and weapons" or something to that degree comes to mind. Funny how they didn't tell us that in a month time that stuff we went to claim would be useless eh? God, aren't we all glad we bought that stuff?

Are you telling me you don't know the news? The armor is very useful!

In fact you can't carry it over because you sell it to a collector to get the money in order to restore Vigil Keep

[Silensfurtim]

[Feraele]

Funny stuffs Silent

[Hugmejohnny]

Silensfurtim wrote...

You gotta make a series, although this one wasn't as good as the last, in this ur just stating stuff, the last one topped it all off with a great joke (happy V-day) that had me LOL!

[Silensfurtim]

maybe later



i wanna hear Bioware's reaction to our complaints first.

[Abriael_CG]

Silensfurtim wrote...

maybe later

i wanna hear Bioware's reaction to our complaints first.

Don't hold your breath mate. Unless they decide to significantly delay the release date (which I don't see as a possibility) there's little that can be done in a month.

My hope is that at the very least they learn their lesson for the future...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Since I didn't buy any of the DLCs (can't believe any of you fell for it) and since the ultimate sacrifice ending is not my "main" one and since I plan on being loyal to Morrigan, then all of those problems (and they are problems) are not that important to me. So, good for me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 février 2010 - 08:38 .