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[Godak]

This expansion is really starting to sound like...



Me: Oh, BioWare, how are you? What's wrong?



BioWare: *Sniffles* I had a bad day. I need a hug.



Me: There, there, just take your time making DA:A. We really want our choices to play a roll in what we see and hear in the expansion. I mean, can you imagine if you just took away all our equipment? Our Warden's keep storage chest? Our companions? Our Romances? But you would never do that! You're BioWare. *Hugs*



BioWare: *Knee to the crotch*

[Ponce de Leon]

Truth is they won't react. They don't care either way. It's not like 40 fans here will make them change. Many don't follow the forums, so they can't even protest.

[KnightofPhoenix]

dark-lauron wrote...

Truth is they won't react. They don't care either way. It's not like 40 fans here will make them change. Many don't follow the forums, so they can't even protest.

They might not change, but they owe us an explanation.

And something better than: "No romances, because you are too busy saving Ferelden" *facepalm*. Because DA:O was not about saving the world.

[sonlockdon]

yeah i like how they suddenly change their mind in ferelden it seemed okay enough to grow a relation between characters but now it's somehow different?

[SinYang]

Had a story reason be given to lose gear like BG2 or hordes it would certain help matters.
Since you can import Origins stuff, it really isnt about balancing or story excuses.

The FAQ couldve have been worded better on romances.

Modifié par SinYang, 15 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[YohkoOhno]

Romances--well, only one of the party you could romance is returning.



People need to understand that it's not always possible to get the voice actors to do a sequel, which might mean if push comes to shove, new characters will be introduced. That appears to have happened with NW2: Mask of the Betrayer. I think the reality will be it will be harder to continue to use the same characters from story to story. So, as far as the romances go, it makes some sense.

[Rann]

The romances could be rationalized away, but the idea of my character simply saying one day "You know, this Blood Armor that I've relied on for several months is really unfashionable; I'm going to dump it for something less protecting but more tasteful" is sort of silly. Of course, I assume that there will be even better armor available, but still... If I could at least get to Wade and retrieve the Juggernaut armor that I stashed away in my chest, that would help, if that's even possible.

I will probably just play with a new character and assume that my previous two just retired happily in their own parallel-version of Ferelden.

And if Oghren comes back, I suppose it's too much to hope for that it would be as an enemy. I absolutely despised that character, and hated being forced to take him along in the Paths.

[Edit:  Didn't mean Wade, of course -- meant the chest at Warden's Keep... brain is not fully functional.]

Modifié par Rann, 14 février 2010 - 11:16 .

[Feraele]

The Juggernaut armor was my favorite..liked it better than the Blood Armor. So the Juggernaut is staying or going? Think I am confused on that one.

[Wishpig]

Feraele wrote...

The Juggernaut armor was my favorite..liked it better than the Blood Armor. So the Juggernaut is staying or going? Think I am confused on that one.

Yes, only DLC and promotional stuff will not transfer. So no fear

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[rob123971]

So if i romanced Alistair with my human noble and got married to him after making him king we can't talk about our romance?

Edit: Oh it will be acknoleged nvm.. 

Modifié par rob123971, 14 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[blademaster7]

rob123971 wrote...

So if i romanced Alistair with my human noble and got married to him after making him king we can't talk about our romance?

It will be recognized.

"Talk" is probably the right term I think. You will only get that... just a dialogue

[TheMadCat]

rob123971 wrote...

So if i romanced Alistair with my human noble and got married to him after making him king we can't talk about our romance?

Quite the contrary, David has said just because the romance won't grow that doesn't mean the game will act like it never exsisted. I'm sure there will be a few nods from Alistair.

[Nerdage]

I hope herren isn't still mad at me, I felt a bit bad for him. As for the romance, will Oghren still proposition me when he's plastered? I might give him a go on the rebound.

[RPGlover732]

I feel like Bioware just said "F U noob!"



So i died in origins, so they aree saying "yea you can imprt your character like you didnt die... forget the story!"



really? what i wanted was that id imprt my character but have his choices still matter... but no. They only way this could turn out ok is if when i start my new game as an orlesain that i am able to pick every chocie that matters in the game. like some old guy quizes what my orlesian knows about fereldan, like "whos king?" and " did logahin die?" and " which compains did he take on his quest". If i dont get that i will be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mad and i will loose most of my trust in bioware... dont let me down

[Morroian]

I can understand why romances in DAO won't carry over and the lack of romance options in Awa doesn't necessarily worry me personally nor does the ability to import your ultimate sacrifice DAO character but I can understand why some are angry over. The thing that I personally don't like is the DLC loot not carrying over, really how hard is it to add these items to the Awa toolset.



All in all Bioware is doing an excellent job of alienating the fanbase and pissing away their goodwill.

[anubis969]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Well think about it. If you start a new from scratch Orlesian warden, he's likely to start out equipped. And unlike your original lvl 1 dude starting out with leather armor, a dagger, and a piece of bread, since he's starting prolly at level 18-20 my guess is he may even start the game with decent equipment, some of it magic. 

So if a new char starts that way, don't you think your returning char could get decked out similarly, maybe as an option? 

I do agree with you, I'm sure we will get a new set of gear at the start. I thought I'd stated that clearly enough in my post but obviously not so my apologies.

CybAnt1 wrote...

Like I said, I hear you. I love Shale. I love his (her) unique abilities. Dog just growls, charges, and knocks people down. Shale can throw boulders at them, rain them with rocks, slam them back into walls, knock them off their feet with a mini quake, give off a burst of energy that stuns them and buffs him, etc. I'm going to miss him a lot. Although I guess s/he was DlC I *didn't* pay for.  

But you gotta move on in life... I'm hoping they'll be a unique character like him/her/it waiting for us in Awakenings. 

Actually I never thought for one second Shale would be carried over, hence why I never mentioned her in my post, the items however are a different story.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not crying myself to sleep over this. As I said in my first post, this is really just a black mark, if that, as far as I'm concerned. I'll still be buying Awakenings, I love Dragon Age too much not too. Where this issue will really come into play will be with future DLC.

I've never brought DLC just for the items, but they have been a deciding factor. Awakening is alot shorter than Origins, which means we'll get less mileage out of DLC items, so if they pull the same trick and don't allow DLC items from Awakenings to transfer over to the next expansion it will essentially completely remove that factor which might just make the difference between a sale or not.

Anyway, if you are wondering why I cherry picked only two points from your post it's because I agree with the rest. I think we are more or less on the same page here, it's just that I'm too stubborn to let a point drop .

My point being that regardless of whether DLC items are of any use in Awakenings or not, as we essentially payed for them, and as all our other items will carry over, they should carry over too.

I don't care if my new armour can shoot lazers, I want my Warden Commanders Armour dam it! *Starts throwing his toys out of the pram*
 
(that last line my not have been entirely serious)

Modifié par anubis969, 15 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[Lucy Glitter]

TheMadCat wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Not even a recognition of old romances?

Man. I feel so down. I might just wait a while till I get the XP then.

It does not mean that you mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist

From Mr. Gaider's mouth.

Ah, thank you.  It's difficult to trudge through these pages.

dark-lauron wrote...

Truth is they won't react. They don't care either way. It's not like 40 fans here will make them change. Many don't follow the forums, so they can't even protest.

I kind of agree, sadly. :/

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 15 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[Fexelea]

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The argument that one cannot know how good a product is before release is getting old.

And yet it remains true.

This is not true. There have been and there will continue to be plenty of products that even the most uninformed can tell will fail and can classify as stupid/bad/lol from the first preview. An example.

Thanks for proving my point... that product may be laughible to some, but it isn't to people who need it, the handicapped and the obese.

See, you just judged a product unfairly and without doing research. You judged to quickly off limited knowledge.

YES, sometimes you can predict something will be bad and be right, BUT you can also judge unfairly and be WRONG. It happens to everyone. If you liked Dragon Age, then writing off awakaning before anyone has laid hands on the sucker is foolish and pig-headed. Wait till something substantial like reviews and feedback before making up your mind.

And I am not speaking about people who have doubts or even threaten not to buy.

I am speaking about 95% of the people who strait out say, "I'm not gonna buy because *insert point*". however, people who actually stick to their claim if the game gets good reviews and feedback are rare...

I have not proven your point in the slightest. Stating something does not make it so.

You assumptions regarding the attractiveness of a product to a certain audience do nothing to further your initial point that assessing a product's worth for ONESELF before "anyone has tried it"  is innacurate. Conversely, your reaction could be considered as proving my point, which is: if there is a personal preference factor that affects the purchase decision, there can be no rights or wrongs in arriving at that decision as it is a personal process.

Your further assumptions regarding how I arrived at any opinion and the depths of my research and/or knowledge do not discredit the veracity of my point nor increase the validity of yours.

Your attribution of percentages without any reliable backing do not validate your opinion.

Your insistance in calling people pig-headed for making a decision regarding a purchase based on a personal preference and thought process is hypocritical given you are making an assessment and decision to call such people pig-headed before you know how they arrived at their stance or "laid your hands on them" at all. (hehe)

It would be better if you abstained from stubbornly repeating a flawed argument. It makes you look pig-headed from my stance.

You pretty much called a product for the handicapped bad/stupid/lol... and I'm pretty sure you had no idea thats who it was mainly for. You can try to save yourself all u want, but lets cut to the chase, eh, and cut this argument to the bare bones.

You can dress it up all you want, try to make your empty points sound complex, but bottom line I'm argueing for keeping an open mind your defending keeping a closed mind.

What I'm saying is, if you liked dragon age, it's foolish to decide you don't want the game when you can simply wait untill it's released, and make a more well informed decsion.

In the end, it's up to buyer, but I think making a impatiant and concrete decision on limited knowelge is foolish.

This whole argument is fail though, because honestly, most (if not all) of the people who claim their not gonna get the game now are gonna check out reviews, ect, after the games release and decide off of that.

Your attempts to dismiss my argument with more assumptions and biased statements do not support your initial point.

Your paraphrasing of my post to say I "pretty much said" means nothing but the fact that you interpreted something from my post. It was not what I meant by far. Your inferences are not of my creation.

My points are nor empty nor  "dressed up". If you are unable to understand them, then it is up to you to inform yourself on what I am referencing in order to continue the discussion. If you do not care about it, then let it be.

Your re-casting of your point as: "... What I'm saying is, if you liked dragon age, it's foolish to decide you don't want the game when you can simply wait untill it's released, and make a more well informed decsion. " is inherintly different from the original one, which is the one I disagreed with as it was a fallacious generalization.

I believe that consumers can make up their mind, then read reviews or comments and change that decision. Having abstained from day one purchase makes nobody foolish in my eyes. And making a call and then changing your mind is completely acceptable. Making a call and not changing your mind is also.

Modifié par Fexelea, 15 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[Darkemorrow]

Colenda wrote...

sonlockdon wrote...

yeah i like how they suddenly change their mind in ferelden it seemed okay enough to grow a relation between characters but now it's somehow different?

Well, the PC is now officially in charge of the characters, so it does make the dynamic a bit different.

This.

Commanders aren't supposed to bang their troops.

[sonlockdon]

Darkemorrow wrote...

Colenda wrote...

sonlockdon wrote...

yeah i like how they suddenly change their mind in ferelden it seemed okay enough to grow a relation between characters but now it's somehow different?

Well, the PC is now officially in charge of the characters, so it does make the dynamic a bit different.

This.

Commanders aren't supposed to bang their troops.

good point! but it's not like you're joining the chantry.

[Wishpig]

Fexelea wrote...
I believe that consumers can make up their mind, then read reviews or comments and change that decision. Having abstained from day one purchase makes nobody foolish in my eyes. And making a call and then changing your mind is completely acceptable. Making a call and not changing your mind is also.

I feel the same excat way, maybe my point got lost in the back and forth, maybe I didn't explain it enough, or maybe you mistook me. Whatever the case I agree with the above 100%. Abstaining from a day one purchase is a very smart move, and one I highly suggest if a person has doubts. I am agianst fully and utterly condemning a game before release.

[fantasypisces]

I'm just sad because I don't think I am will even see Leliana in it.



Well my character is the most upset, naturally, but it pains me still.



I can see the conversation now:

NPC: Is there someone in your life?

PC: Why, yes there is, no idea where she is though....

NPC: .... oh.

PC: She just disappeared the day I showed up to Vigil Keep.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Darkemorrow wrote...

Colenda wrote...

sonlockdon wrote...

yeah i like how they suddenly change their mind in ferelden it seemed okay enough to grow a relation between characters but now it's somehow different?

Well, the PC is now officially in charge of the characters, so it does make the dynamic a bit different.

This.

Commanders are supposed to bang their troops.

Fixed

[Fexelea]

Wishpig wrote...

Fexelea wrote...
I believe that consumers can make up their mind, then read reviews or comments and change that decision. Having abstained from day one purchase makes nobody foolish in my eyes. And making a call and then changing your mind is completely acceptable. Making a call and not changing your mind is also.

I feel the same excat way, maybe my point got lost in the back and forth, maybe I didn't explain it enough, or maybe you mistook me. Whatever the case I agree with the above 100%. Abstaining from a day one purchase is a very smart move, and one I highly suggest if a person has doubts. I am agianst fully and utterly condemning a game before release.

I don't think Angryfrozenwater ever fully and utterly condemned Awakenings. He simply said that it had no value for him. Let's just agree there was a misunderstanding then.