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[Wintermist]

I think the Council and the Spectres should have been given a larger role in the game. Perhaps not your dialog with the Council as much, but OTHER Spectres the Council SHOULD have sent out investigating this threat as well.

The Citadel WAS attacked, and from there to say the least they should have sent other Spectres to investigate.

You should be able to interact with these Spectres, and doing missions with them to find out more for the Council. I do feel with ME2 that the story went downhill instead of uphill. So much logic just went down the drain.

[SL22]

I thought that Spectres were really underplayed in ME2, in the first game it was all like "HOLY **** SPECTRES FOOK YEAR!" but in ME2 there's about three/four quests where they're even mentioned.

[WilliamShatner]

Agreed. Here's what I posted about it in another thread:



The portrayal (or lack thereof) of Spectres in ME2 is another thing that really disappoints me. With so much build up in ME1 you'd think they would be a focal point in the entire trilogy. I expected in ME2 Shepard would be a full blown Spectre confident and knowing what the job entails, and that we would get special Spectre missions. And what happens ...



Two or three lines in the entire game refering to Spectres???



*Smacks head*

[marshalleck]

I always thought Spectres were just an excuse for Shepard to go around the galaxy blasting people with impunity if he wanted to. Potentially joining forces with Cerberus gives renegades their own 'elite' network to parallel the Spectres working for the Citadel. ME2 brings things into balance. Hopefully the story of ME3 really will diverge as much as ME2 seems to be setting up for.

[aaniadyen]

Well, what you need to keep in mind is that most of the game takes place in the Terminus systems. The Citadel doesn't send anyone there...so logically, you would hear very little about them in a public knowledge sense. My bigger question for you, however, is...how do you know they don't have specteres working in the background? Their identities are hidden from Shepard, so they could be up to all kinds of stuff. The Galaxy is a big place. Maybe they will be more applicable in ME 3. Who knows? I would guess it depends on how invested the Council is in the Reaper invasion. If they get their heads out of the sand, I'd say they'd likely listen to your reports extensively, then make decisions based on Shepard's opinion. Remember the STG team you didn't know about on Virmire who was also investigating Saren? I think what most people want is a more known prominent role of the spectres. I just don't know if that will happen. The whole deal with spectres is their records are all sealed and classified. They report directly to the council. I am uncertain of how inter-spectre interaction is handled as far as information sharring goes, but judgng by all the evidence so far, I'd say they aren't generally close...even when friends.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 13 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[Wintermist]

aaniadyen wrote...

Well, what you need to keep in mind is that most of the game takes place in the Terminus systems. The Citadel doesn't send anyone there...so logically, you would hear very little about them in a public knowledge sense. My bigger question for you, however, is...how do you know they don't have specteres working in the background? Their identities are hidden from Shepard, so they could be up to all kinds of stuff. The Galaxy is a big place. Maybe they will be more applicable in ME 3. Who knows? I would guess it depends on how invested the Council is in the Reaper invasion. If they get their heads out of the sand, I'd say they'd likely listen to your reports extensively, then make decisions based on Shepard's opinion. Remember the STG team you didn't know about on Virmire who was also investigating Saren? I think what most people want is a more known prominent role of the spectres. I just don't know if that will happen. The whole deal with spectres is their records are all sealed and classified. They report directly to the council. I am uncertain of how inter-spectre interaction is handled as far as information sharring goes, but judgng by all the evidence so far, I'd say they aren't generally close...even when friends.

But that's just it. When you add it all up together, why isn't Shepard in touch with other Spectres? Shepard saved the day, surely he will be worth communicating to.

[BlackFulcrum]

Personally I hope that Bioware adds a spectre in the storyline of one of ME2 future DLC's, like you find something one planet, go to an other, then run into the spectre there and find out that you stumbled into their investigation, and if they really want to make it epic for me, make it a Female Turian Spectre.

Modifié par BlackFulcrum, 13 février 2010 - 02:19 .

[Tleining]

the new squad member Kasumi probably involves dealing with another spectre, at least if it was her who stole that information mentioned in the Cerberus Daily News (*lol*). Apparently there is an Asari Spectre responsible for investigating that.



As to why Shepard isn't in touch with other spectres: Shepard is the first and only human spectre and right now working with a pro-human-terrorist group. hm, i wonder why none of those aliens would want to work with them.

[Wintermist]

Tleining wrote...

the new squad member Kasumi probably involves dealing with another spectre, at least if it was her who stole that information mentioned in the Cerberus Daily News (*lol*). Apparently there is an Asari Spectre responsible for investigating that.

As to why Shepard isn't in touch with other spectres: Shepard is the first and only human spectre and right now working with a pro-human-terrorist group. hm, i wonder why none of those aliens would want to work with them.

That's a very American way of thinking. He's doing that because they wrote that, but what would have been the logical route here?

[Conway044]

Wintermist wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Well, what you need to keep in mind is that most of the game takes place in the Terminus systems. The Citadel doesn't send anyone there...so logically, you would hear very little about them in a public knowledge sense. My bigger question for you, however, is...how do you know they don't have specteres working in the background? Their identities are hidden from Shepard, so they could be up to all kinds of stuff. The Galaxy is a big place. Maybe they will be more applicable in ME 3. Who knows? I would guess it depends on how invested the Council is in the Reaper invasion. If they get their heads out of the sand, I'd say they'd likely listen to your reports extensively, then make decisions based on Shepard's opinion. Remember the STG team you didn't know about on Virmire who was also investigating Saren? I think what most people want is a more known prominent role of the spectres. I just don't know if that will happen. The whole deal with spectres is their records are all sealed and classified. They report directly to the council. I am uncertain of how inter-spectre interaction is handled as far as information sharring goes, but judgng by all the evidence so far, I'd say they aren't generally close...even when friends.

But that's just it. When you add it all up together, why isn't Shepard in touch with other Spectres? Shepard saved the day, surely he will be worth communicating to.

There are a few good reasons. 
1 Shepard is listed as KIA, there are rumors that he's alive but I can't think why another Spectre would suddenly want to track him down.
2. ME 2 takes place outside of council space for the most part, if there are any other Specres around they might not want to draw attention to themselves just to meet the new human Spectre.
3. Shepard is working with Cerberus a rogue pro-human para-military group.
4.  The last two Spectres that got close to Shepard ended up dead.
5.  Shepard played a key role in getting Humanity a seat onthe council, something the Turians are strongly against and the other races don't seem to keen on (Liara indicates that Humans are seen as dangerous by most races).
6.  If you're me, you are directly responsible for the death of the former council.

[Tleining]

Wintermist wrote...

Tleining wrote...

the new squad member Kasumi probably involves dealing with another spectre, at least if it was her who stole that information mentioned in the Cerberus Daily News (*lol*). Apparently there is an Asari Spectre responsible for investigating that.

As to why Shepard isn't in touch with other spectres: Shepard is the first and only human spectre and right now working with a pro-human-terrorist group. hm, i wonder why none of those aliens would want to work with them.

That's a very American way of thinking. He's doing that because they wrote that, but what would have been the logical route here?

do you mean for the spectres? Assuming they don't have anything better to do, trust in the Spectre who took down Saren and Sovereign, let him/her deal with the collectors and look for ways to fight the Reapers.

[Wintermist]

Nah, to me the whole Council behaviour is all bad. Except the part where they accept him as a Spectre so that they CAN send him into the Traverse, that was good.

[Wintermist]

Tleining wrote...

do you mean for the spectres? Assuming they don't have anything better to do, trust in the Spectre who took down Saren and Sovereign, let him/her deal with the collectors and look for ways to fight the Reapers.

Apparantly **** is happening and Shepard is smack in the middle of it. He was right in the past, there was an attack even though the Council doesn't think it was Reaper. Shepard got it organized and without him they'd all be dead. That warrants some trust.

And, even though he died, Cerberus brought him back to life, but there's no way to explain that. Now if I was Shepard, I'd take that fooken Cerberus ship and go back to the Council and continue as a Spectre. Cerberus was hunted in ME1, and now they're like this corporation that is accepted everywhere, just not liked. They can come and go as they please, hell, if I wasn't wearing the logo I wouldn't have guessed.

I just don't see any logical reason why Shepard HAS to be with Cerberus except fro the fact it's the only way to play the game. If anything the Council could have SENT him there because he had to be invisible for some reason, much as I got the impression from the hype would happen.

[Tleining]

"Apparantly **** is happening and Shepard is smack in the middle of it. He was right in the past, there was an attack even though the Council doesn't think it was Reaper. Shepard got it organized and without him they'd all be dead. That warrants some trust."
Agreed! But what do you want them to do? If they openly start to prepare for war, by building massive amounts of dreadnoughts, it could cause a war with the Teminus-Systems. Without real evidence they cannot prevent that. Hence their hesitation. (imo)

"And, even though he died, Cerberus brought him back to life, but there's no way to explain that. Now if I was Shepard, I'd take that fooken Cerberus ship and go back to the Council and continue as a Spectre."
Funny. That's exactly what i did.

"Cerberus was hunted in ME1, and now they're like this corporation that is accepted everywhere, just not liked. They can come and go as they please, hell, if I wasn't wearing the logo I wouldn't have guessed."
Cerberus was only hunted by you. And in ME2 you actually learn a great deal about them. Like how they have high-ranking contacts within the Systems-Alliance. So who would try to stop you? C-Sec? You haven't done anything on the Citadel, so they have no reason to do anything. (Aside from the fact that you are a hero.)
Citadel Council? From what i understand, all actions from Cerberus were directed against humans (experiments with Tresher-Maws, exposing colonists and Marines to Rachni and creepers,...), so it would be up to the Alliance to deal with that. And before the alliance could stop you, they would have to file 20 reports before they get permission to do that.

"I just don't see any logical reason why Shepard HAS to be with Cerberus except fro the fact it's the only way to play the game. If anything the Council could have SENT him there because he had to be invisible for some reason, much as I got the impression from the hype would happen."
Who else are you going to work with? In ME1 the Council didn't give you any substantial aid aside from information about Virmire. Your Ship, your Crew, your Equipment, it all came from the alliance. As far as the alliance goes: It would take time to send in the reports required to help you in any way. Plus: as an alliance operative you probably have to send in reports, who would want to do that?

And let's face it, Cerberus has a lot more funds than any other source. I doubt any one else could have come up with the required information as fast as Cerberus.

ehrm, rather long post, huh? Have fun reading

[WilliamShatner]

Conway044 wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Well, what you need to keep in mind is that most of the game takes place in the Terminus systems. The Citadel doesn't send anyone there...so logically, you would hear very little about them in a public knowledge sense. My bigger question for you, however, is...how do you know they don't have specteres working in the background? Their identities are hidden from Shepard, so they could be up to all kinds of stuff. The Galaxy is a big place. Maybe they will be more applicable in ME 3. Who knows? I would guess it depends on how invested the Council is in the Reaper invasion. If they get their heads out of the sand, I'd say they'd likely listen to your reports extensively, then make decisions based on Shepard's opinion. Remember the STG team you didn't know about on Virmire who was also investigating Saren? I think what most people want is a more known prominent role of the spectres. I just don't know if that will happen. The whole deal with spectres is their records are all sealed and classified. They report directly to the council. I am uncertain of how inter-spectre interaction is handled as far as information sharring goes, but judgng by all the evidence so far, I'd say they aren't generally close...even when friends.

But that's just it. When you add it all up together, why isn't Shepard in touch with other Spectres? Shepard saved the day, surely he will be worth communicating to.

There are a few good reasons. 
1 Shepard is listed as KIA, there are rumors that he's alive but I can't think why another Spectre would suddenly want to track him down.
2. ME 2 takes place outside of council space for the most part, if there are any other Specres around they might not want to draw attention to themselves just to meet the new human Spectre.
3. Shepard is working with Cerberus a rogue pro-human para-military group.
4.  The last two Spectres that got close to Shepard ended up dead.
5.  Shepard played a key role in getting Humanity a seat onthe council, something the Turians are strongly against and the other races don't seem to keen on (Liara indicates that Humans are seen as dangerous by most races).
6.  If you're me, you are directly responsible for the death of the former council.

The first three reasons are down to the poor direction the writers decided to take ME2.  Not what I would consider good reasons.  

[jojon2se]

All the other spectres are on important council business, visiting every planet in the galaxy to ascertain which has the most comfortable sand to stick your head into.

[Wintermist]

jojon2se wrote...

All the other spectres are on important council business, visiting every planet in the galaxy to ascertain which has the most comfortable sand to stick your head into.

roflmao