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[Azure Zero]

Jshay512 wrote...

Hey thats the thing im willing to pay some money to make the game perfect. Heck i played wow and runescape and games like that and would pay 15 dollars a month. I will pay 7-15 bucks every couple of months to make the game great if i really have to.

I played and enjoyed wow up until the devs started ruining the game by catering to casuals and essentially n00bifying the game.

And paying extra to make up for the game being rushed is a bad precedent to start. That would be dlc that felt forced to get full enjoyment from the game you paid for as opposed to being simple little extras. It would push me away from the franchise personally.

[Jshay512]

Yeah i mean it would be nice if the game was 100% complete but DLC is a wonderful tool. You can add in new gameplay, get new items, tie off ends, and make a profit. Yes i would like to see no need for DLC and have it all in the game in the first place but i mean it could be worse. They could just make it 70% complete and not do anything else. The thing about DLC is that you can keep adding to the story bit by bit and keep people interested while you write the main story. Its like shows that have fillers or books that have little side books. It keeps people interested while adding more story.

[Jshay512]

Yeah but thats the great thing about DLC. Its not a patch it doesnt just fix a problem. It fixes the problem while making more gameplay at the same time. And the rush thing yes its rushed but i still feel like its more likely been thought of a long time before the game came out i mean they have been working on the DA series for what... 4-6 years (not quite sure on the complete time) its likely they have been working on A while working on O so it might seem rushed to us because O just came out but actually not be rushed.

[click2kill]

Jshay512 wrote...

Yeah i mean it would be nice if the game was 100% complete but DLC is a wonderful tool. You can add in new gameplay, get new items, tie off ends, and make a profit. Yes i would like to see no need for DLC and have it all in the game in the first place but i mean it could be worse. They could just make it 70% complete and not do anything else. The thing about DLC is that you can keep adding to the story bit by bit and keep people interested while you write the main story. Its like shows that have fillers or books that have little side books. It keeps people interested while adding more story.

But a game should NEVER be released 70% complete.  It should be released at 100%. 

I do agree that DLC could be used for good, in enhancing already completed games without needing to use the resources needed for an expansion.  Maybe one day we will see it.... maybe...

[tacopacabana]

i just want to add my 2 cents in to say im pissssseeeedddddd about the no romances. i actually developed feelings for my comrads and actual hate for others *cough* morrigan *cough* Ive played alot of games... alot. many of them never to the end cuz i just didnt care but this game.. i mean i wanted to skip class just to chat with my alistar and zevran and play with my mabari lol! i mean... if the expansion will get me actually feeling for my party members, then i guess its alright even if i cant sleep with them, but a piece will be misssinnggg.



bioware if your listening (and you are) -> this one will do, but bring no romance (for any orientation) to the next installment of dragon age and i'll think long and hard about my wallet....

[Azure Zero]

Jshay512 wrote...

Yeah but thats the great thing about DLC. Its not a patch it doesnt just fix a problem. It fixes the problem while making more gameplay at the same time. And the rush thing yes its rushed but i still feel like its more likely been thought of a long time before the game came out i mean they have been working on the DA series for what... 4-6 years (not quite sure on the complete time) its likely they have been working on A while working on O so it might seem rushed to us because O just came out but actually not be rushed.

It took so long to develop DA becasue they built an entirely new engine to work with instead of using aurora or some other preexisting game engine. Once they built the engine they could start working on the game. Awakening being out so quick doesn't necessarily mean it was worked on when origins was being made or a chopped off part because origins got too big.

And while dlc can be nice, it can also be an excuse to milk more money out of customers by not fully finishing a product before release. Adding small extras = good, adding stuff that could/should have been in game to begin with had it not been rushed = not so good

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I sympathize with the Romance worries, even though they personally do not bother me that much (probably because my character was with Morrigan so that scews my viewpoint a little). But everything else about this expansion sounds like a quick cash in. Probably because Bioware is the only thing that is making money for EA at the moment. Kind of wish they'd go the full way and just make it a side story with a different set of characters, but no they had to confuse the situation. Watch the actual gameplay ends up being an improvement, but after playing DA for 150 hours an expansion that could potentially negate certain story decisions I made in a couple playthroughs, as well as nullifying some of my equipment (seriously Starfang as a long sword was quite powerful) sounds like something I'd regret playing.

[Jshay512]

Its not really going to be 70% complete. It will be complete but yes there might be a hole in the story here or there. Thats what people do. They leave holes so they can fill them in some other time. They arnt going to make the game 100% complete because then you wouldn't have a place to connect the old game to the new expansion/ DLC. These holes are what actually keep the games together. It's like books with cliff hangers. They complete it but they leave you want more for the next book. In this case they leave you wanting more in the next game.

[Jshay512]

The reason the DLC doesnt bother me terrible much i mean it does a bit but its not making me want to cry is because i mean think about it since this is going to make you a higher level you are going to be able to get better weapons and armor... so you lose some armor but gain new armor that is potentially stronger...

[Jshay512]

I still think people shouldnt judge the game before it comes out. I still want to give the Bioware the credit they deserve. Looking at the games they make they are great rpg writers so if anyone can pull of the no romance and the no dlc items stuff it is going to be them. Also if anyone can quick make a game and still make it good it would be them.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jshay512 wrote...

Yeah i agree... It would be better if they had romances. I mean heck you might be fighting but your guy or girl still has needs haha. Hopefully in the next expansion they will have it back, or even maybe make it so you can in a DLC. There were probably to many people that complained about in the original forum that they didn't even want to mess around with it.

I would be interested in an expansion if it was accessible both before and after the main quest. It could still be a little world of its own, but all companions would still be accessible in the camp and allowed to take along with you. If VAs are that expensive then people would understand that there was less voice acting, but lots of the other disadvantages would disappear. Romance could advance, like they used to. No need fpr new party members.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 février 2010 - 04:35 .

[DalishRanger]

While I love Bioware romances, considering Awakening is connected to Origins at least somewhat in story, I don't mind that there aren't any romances. Would've been nice for a newly made Orlesian Warden, but for most of my transferred over Wardens - especially my mage - I'm stuck on the original romances. Even if they won't be with us in the actual expansion, I'm hoping they're still "hooked up" if we got to the end with them. Guess we'll see.

[Azure Zero]

Jshay512 wrote...

Its not really going to be 70% complete. It will be complete but yes there might be a hole in the story here or there. Thats what people do. They leave holes so they can fill them in some other time. They arnt going to make the game 100% complete because then you wouldn't have a place to connect the old game to the new expansion/ DLC. These holes are what actually keep the games together. It's like books with cliff hangers. They complete it but they leave you want more for the next book. In this case they leave you wanting more in the next game.

It will be a complete game I am sure but if they later add dlc for companion romances or origins DLC equipment import packs, then it will be blatant abuse of dlc system imo. It would show it could have been in game but left out due to rushing.

Shale DLC for instance, had I not gotten it free with my game I would not have spent 15$ on it. It was originally a part of the game that got cut due to time constraints, then when they got another delay they decided to finish shale. However it got added as DLC instead of just put back into the game. It is ok as so far it has been a one time occurence(and given to those who bought the game new), but once is enough a second time would leave ill feelings.

Modifié par Azure Zero, 14 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[click2kill]

Jshay512 wrote...

I still think people shouldnt judge the game before it comes out. I still want to give the Bioware the credit they deserve. Looking at the games they make they are great rpg writers so if anyone can pull of the no romance and the no dlc items stuff it is going to be them. Also if anyone can quick make a game and still make it good it would be them.

I already said Bioware has a month to persuade me to buy this expansion, but right now it seems like a scam at $40.  You can go ahead and buy an expensive expansion, no one is stopping you.  But people on these boards do not share your enthuisiasm. 

And as for quick games, rushed games never do well.  Take a nod from Blizzard, who takes years to develop their games and they always pull through.  You may hate WoW for what it is, but you have to respect Blizzard's development methods. 

Modifié par click2kill, 14 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[Jshay512]

Again i dont blame Bioware for that. I would go more EA set the time. Then again it is a business and in this economy or this life i mean they want to make money. DLC make money. Just ask GTA 4 and Fallout 3. My guess is DLC are going to get even bigger than they are getting now. They make money and are relatively easy to make. It might look bad for us but i mean their money is how we get such great games. The more money they have the more money they can spend making us great games.

[Monica21]

click2kill wrote...
Well, members of an older generation remember when their games were sold 100% complete, not this "70% complete with a payment plan for the other 30%" the video game industry has become.  Though, I'll save these boards that rant, as its svheme all companies use these days. 

Where does the idea come from that the game is 70% complete? Seriously. If you finish Origins with no DLCs and no expansion then you've still finished Origins. The additional content is purely additional entertainment value and nothing more. It doesn't change the game, it just adds to an existing game. That in no way makes a game unfinished.

[Azure Zero]

Jshay512 wrote...

Again i dont blame Bioware for that. I would go more EA set the time. Then again it is a business and in this economy or this life i mean they want to make money. DLC make money. Just ask GTA 4 and Fallout 3. My guess is DLC are going to get even bigger than they are getting now. They make money and are relatively easy to make. It might look bad for us but i mean their money is how we get such great games. The more money they have the more money they can spend making us great games.

Games will quickly stop being great when you have to purchase each stage or chapter after paying full price for the install file. That is where the fear of dlc system abuse comes in.

[Jshay512]

Oh you complain about DLC but you think WOW p2p style is better... The reason wow does so well is because pretty much all their big patches are DLC's you just don't pay per patch you pay per month. WOW is a great game but if you think about it Blizzard does almost the same thing if not worse... Look at Starcraft 2 it was going to be 1 game nows its 3 games 1 main 2 expansions and guess what the expansions cost pretty much the same as the original... which is in fact what your complaining about now... Same with World of Warcraft 3 and its expansions both of which cost only 10 dollars cheaper than the original.

[Jshay512]

People get the wrong idea about DLC. It is almost the same as an expansion just smaller and cheaper. Some games like this one use DLC and expansions others dont. I mean if you add the time expansions add on to games with the times DLC's add to a game you get almost the same amount of time.

[click2kill]

Monica21 wrote...

click2kill wrote...
Well, members of an older generation remember when their games were sold 100% complete, not this "70% complete with a payment plan for the other 30%" the video game industry has become.  Though, I'll save these boards that rant, as its svheme all companies use these days. 

Where does the idea come from that the game is 70% complete? Seriously. If you finish Origins with no DLCs and no expansion then you've still finished Origins. The additional content is purely additional entertainment value and nothing more. It doesn't change the game, it just adds to an existing game. That in no way makes a game unfinished.

How do you know I was referencing Origins?  Even though I can make an argument that Warden's Keep was a joke.  For a quest it took only 20 minutes to complete, you get Starfang, and continue.   It was worth $5 at the most. 

[Monica21]

click2kill wrote...
How do you know I was referencing Origins?  Even though I can make an argument that Warden's Keep was a joke.  For a quest it took only 20 minutes to complete, you get Starfang, and continue.   It was worth $5 at the most. 

Because this is a Dragon Age forum? And simple answer, don't buy any. Your experience is not lessened.

[Jshay512]

Click im guess you didnt complete the side quest did you.. 1 if the first time u did wardens keep and it only took 20 minutes you just completely rushed it on super easy. There is no way it would only take 20 minutes. 45 to an hour maybe but 20 come on. the side quest gave it about 15-30 more minutes and the item chest and blacksmith made up for the rest of the cost

[Jshay512]

Wow i find it odd how Monica is able to say what I write huge posts about and make them sound more intelligent and make more sense in like 2 sentences...

[click2kill]

Monica21 wrote...

click2kill wrote...
How do you know I was referencing Origins?  Even though I can make an argument that Warden's Keep was a joke.  For a quest it took only 20 minutes to complete, you get Starfang, and continue.   It was worth $5 at the most. 

Because this is a Dragon Age forum? And simple answer, don't buy any. Your experience is not lessened.

Well, you must of missed my jokes about all this content that is being removed becoming DLC in Awakening, because you quoted me from a reply following one of them. 

But yeah, I was underwhelmed by Origins DLC and I learned my lesson, especially since it disappears with each expansion. 

Jshay512 wrote...

Click im guess you didnt complete the
side quest did you.. 1 if the first time u did wardens keep and it only
took 20 minutes you just completely rushed it on super easy. There is
no way it would only take 20 minutes. 45 to an hour maybe but 20 come
on. the side quest gave it about 15-30 more minutes and the item chest
and blacksmith made up for the rest of the cost

No, all the quests, it took me 20 minutes.  I even restarted and played through it again because I was shocked how small it was.

[Jshay512]

wow what difficulty i played on hard or whatever they call the 3rd hardest and it took me about 45 and i rushed through then i realized i missed the whole get all the marks and stuff like that quest and that took me like 10 minutes