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[Stippling]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Agelico wrote...

 Alistair is one of possible companions aaaaaaaaaaaw =) An unexpected holiday today really, thanks!!!

.

Where did you read that?

Found it.

You guys are definitely reading that wrong.

It says:

"Besides Oghren who plays a large role in Awakening, there are cameos
and returning characters. For companions you'll potentially meet
Loghain, Wynne, and Alistair depending on your decisions in Origins."

Meaning, of the companions in Origins, Loghain, Wynne and Alistair will appear in the game (not as companions, but as cameos)

[Bratt1204]

Taken from Awakening FAQ:



"1.7 – If I had a romance in Origins, does it carry over into Awakening? (Back to top)



Romances do not carry forward in Awakening, because you are away from your previous life fighting a new threat."



Seriously? So, if my PC married Alistair and became Queen (Princess-Consort) I am just 'away' from my previous life in Awakening? I am all of a sudden no longer married - right after my lavish wedding (this is set only about 6 months after Origins)? How does that make any sense? And I am going to be spending money on this expansion, why?

[kevinblue360]

Great site. Hmmm my font size sure did get smaller.

[Funny_chan]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Taken from Awakening FAQ:

"1.7 – If I had a romance in Origins, does it carry over into Awakening? (Back to top)

Romances do not carry forward in Awakening, because you are away from your previous life fighting a new threat."

Seriously? So, if my PC married Alistair and became Queen (Princess-Consort) I am just 'away' from my previous life in Awakening? I am all of a sudden no longer married - right after my lavish wedding (this is set only about 6 months after Origins)? How does that make any sense? And I am going to be spending money on this expansion, why?

I belive that what they are trying to say is that in Awakening you will not have the options to demonstrate your love (meaning that there will be no options for kissing/sleeping etc) because you and your partner are both in diferent places. However, that doesn't mean that you're divorced. You're just traveling alone without him/her for some time while you're fighting this threat.

[Walina]

Yup, that's what Gaider said in another topic.

[Bratt1204]

Funny_chan wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Taken from Awakening FAQ:

"1.7 – If I had a romance in Origins, does it carry over into Awakening? (Back to top)

Romances do not carry forward in Awakening, because you are away from your previous life fighting a new threat."

Seriously? So, if my PC married Alistair and became Queen (Princess-Consort) I am just 'away' from my previous life in Awakening? I am all of a sudden no longer married - right after my lavish wedding (this is set only about 6 months after Origins)? How does that make any sense? And I am going to be spending money on this expansion, why?

I belive that what they are trying to say is that in Awakening you will not have the options to demonstrate your love (meaning that there will be no options for kissing/sleeping etc) because you and your partner are both in diferent places. However, that doesn't mean that you're divorced. You're just traveling alone without him/her for some time while you're fighting this threat.

That I could understand but not to recognize your marriage event at all would be absolutely unbelievable.

[Kail Ashton]

Hmmm not like'n this lack of romance options bioware >__> plot & party banter better be phenominal to make up for this and those cameos better have some ties to origin lovers recognizing said relationships



The no DLC goodies is abit grrr as well, armor wise i'm fine but weapons & accesories is abit of a hit, hopefully some new weapons and/or weapon skill trees are in the game to justify this, 1 word: Polearm!

[Agelico]

Stippling wrote...


You guys are definitely reading that wrong.

It says:

"Besides Oghren who plays a large role in Awakening, there are cameos
and returning characters. For companions you'll potentially meet
Loghain, Wynne, and Alistair depending on your decisions in Origins."

Meaning, of the companions in Origins, Loghain, Wynne and Alistair will appear in the game (not as companions, but as cameos)

Hm... you're probably right. I read the second sentence apart from the first <_< Well don't blame me, I like it more that way:) So it's only Oghren then? Sad. I don't like him.

[TheLion36]

Bratt1204 wrote...
That I could understand but not to recognize your marriage event at all would be absolutely unbelievable.

From what I understood from David Gaiders reply, the romances would be recognized and your choices would be visible as well... I'll just copy a quote of what he posted in another thread and let you make up your own mind:

David Gaider wrote...
Just regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you -- recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large (and this applies to things outside of romances, as well).

[fangedwolf]

Since you won't be playing the same character in Awakening, actively being in the same romance might be difficult. Check this interview:

http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1058656p1.html

[TheLion36]

fangedwolf wrote...
Since you won't be playing the same character in Awakening, actively being in the same romance might be difficult. Check this interview:
http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1058656p1.html

I'm not sure where you read that in the interview, because you ARE actually playing the same character. That's the whole point of importing your save game.
You however ALSO have the option to start anew with an Orlesian grey warden.

[alexmasterson123]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Seriously? So, if my PC married Alistair and became Queen (Princess-Consort) I am just 'away' from my previous life in Awakening? I am all of a sudden no longer married - right after my lavish wedding (this is set only about 6 months after Origins)? How does that make any sense? And I am going to be spending money on this expansion, why?

Eheheh...heh... excuse me for one moment...



*snort*

[fangedwolf]

TheLion36 wrote...
I'm not sure where you read that in the interview, because you ARE actually playing the same character. That's the whole point of importing your save game.
You however ALSO have the option to start anew with an Orlesian grey warden.

Haha, guess my skill with skim-reading is degrading.  Thanks for the clarification.

[EccentricSage]

WTF? Why can't Zevran go with me on this new quest? Considering he's one of the most loyal companions once you get him to 33, a rogue, not tied to any responsabilities, and adventurous by nature, it makes no sense that he won't be in the expansion.

And why DON'T dlc and character relationships carry over? Why get rid of relationships? Do they realize how many people say that the character interactions and characters are one of the main reasons they bought the game and invent in dlc to expand their gameplay? Why no romance options? People who don't like romance always had the option not to partake of it. With an RPG characters are important and the more options you have the more real the game will feel.  Why dumb down one of the aspects that made this game stand out in the first place?

I thought the whole idea of an 'expansion' is to ADD to the existing game, not totally scrap large amounts of what you already achieved and remove features from games. What kind of BS is that? This sounds like they may as well make it a separate game and be done with it. At this rate I hope they don't plan to charge any more for Awakening than a dlc since it will take away features just as it brings new ones.

"David Gaider wrote...
Just
regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just
means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship
during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you
mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I
would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't
possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you --
recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large
(and this applies to things outside of romances, as well)."

I hope this means that there will be further expansions where we DO get to continue our relationships with these characters?  I'm glad I'm not in for 'haha, everyone you knew and loved died again!  Time for another quest of vengence!'  D:  But I don't realy see the point of having to start anew for this.  I could see why Morrigan wouldn't be available given certain endings, or Alistair if he's king, etc... I can see why Wynn might not be ready to take on another blight...  But to not have any of them carry over ,., how does that even make sence?  'Wait and see' just isn't good enough if it means parting with my precious money to do so.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 14 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[valkiroc]

Heres a quick question, is expasion going to be released on time, or will us PS3 players have to wait three, four, maybe even five months to get it? Will it beat RtO? At this point, I doubt I'm willing to continue playing this game long enough to find out!!!

[Bratt1204]

TheLion36 wrote...

fangedwolf wrote...
Since you won't be playing the same character in Awakening, actively being in the same romance might be difficult. Check this interview:
http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1058656p1.html

I'm not sure where you read that in the interview, because you ARE actually playing the same character. That's the whole point of importing your save game.
You however ALSO have the option to start anew with an Orlesian grey warden.

I thought we specifically had the option to import our current PC? Please do not tell me that this option has now been taken away, ugh.

[-Blackwill-]

Good stuff. Really looking forward to Awakenings.

A pity the PS3 version is only available as download though. Something physically tangible always feels more real. And adds to a collection.



I agree with valkiroc about release of RtO on the PS3. I just don't get why it didn't get released with the PC and XBOX360 versions.

[-Blackwill-]

Bratt1204 wrote...

TheLion36 wrote...

fangedwolf wrote...
Since you won't be playing the same character in Awakening, actively being in the same romance might be difficult. Check this interview:
http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1058656p1.html

I'm not sure where you read that in the interview, because you ARE actually playing the same character. That's the whole point of importing your save game.
You however ALSO have the option to start anew with an Orlesian grey warden.

I thought we specifically had the option to import our current PC? Please do not tell me that this option has now been taken away, ugh.

We do. Who from Bioware said we won't?

Modifié par -Blackwill-, 14 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[Bratt1204]

EccentricSage wrote...

WTF? Why can't Zevran go with me on this new quest? Considering he's one of the most loyal companions once you get him to 33, a rogue, not tied to any responsabilities, and adventurous by nature, it makes no sense that he won't be in the expansion.

And why DON'T dlc and character relationships carry over? Why get rid of relationships? Do they realize how many people say that the character interactions and characters are one of the main reasons they bought the game and invent in dlc to expand their gameplay? Why no romance options? People who don't like romance always had the option not to partake of it. With an RPG characters are important and the more options you have the more real the game will feel.  Why dumb down one of the aspects that made this game stand out in the first place?

I thought the whole idea of an 'expansion' is to ADD to the existing game, not totally scrap large amounts of what you already achieved and remove features from games. What kind of BS is that? This sounds like they may as well make it a separate game and be done with it. At this rate I hope they don't plan to charge any more for Awakening than a dlc since it will take away features just as it brings new ones.

"David Gaider wrote...
Just
regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just
means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship
during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you
mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I
would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't
possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you --
recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large
(and this applies to things outside of romances, as well)."

I hope this means that there will be further expansions where we DO get to continue our relationships with these characters?  I'm glad I'm not in for 'haha, everyone you knew and loved died again!  Time for another quest of vengence!'  D:  But I don't realy see the point of having to start anew for this.  I could see why Morrigan wouldn't be available given certain endings, or Alistair if he's king, etc... I can see why Wynn might not be ready to take on another blight...  But to not have any of them carry over ,., how does that even make sence?  'Wait and see' just isn't good enough if it means parting with my precious money to do so.

People are getting REALLY pissed-off.......

[Beckcible]

valkiroc wrote...

Heres a quick question, is expasion going to be released on time, or will us PS3 players have to wait three, four, maybe even five months to get it? Will it beat RtO? At this point, I doubt I'm willing to continue playing this game long enough to find out!!!

Ditto this, but after the whole RTO fiasco I reckon it will be a good while later before we get it since we have been shafted once again by being given awakenings as DLC. I reckon we should either buy origins on the XBOX or just start looking forward to FFXIII!!

[TheLion36]

EccentricSage wrote...
WTF? Why can't Zevran go with me on this new quest? Considering he's one of the most loyal companions once you get him to 33, a rogue, not tied to any responsabilities, and adventurous by nature, it makes no sense that he won't be in the expansion.

Probably because he's a romancable character, none of the romancing options are returning, with a minor exception for Alistair who will make a cameo.
From what I understand there is good hope however that romances will continue in a sequel or another expansion pack... That's why I think there not being any new romances is a good thing, because otherwise they would have to cater for way too many options in future sequels.

Bratt1204 wrote...
I thought we specifically had the option to import our current PC? Please do not tell me that this option has now been taken away, ugh.

We do, the OP already stated he missed a piece of the interview that explained the import.

Modifié par TheLion36, 14 février 2010 - 03:57 .

[EccentricSage]

Bratt1204 wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

WTF? Why can't Zevran go with me on this new quest? Considering he's one of the most loyal companions once you get him to 33, a rogue, not tied to any responsabilities, and adventurous by nature, it makes no sense that he won't be in the expansion.

And why DON'T dlc and character relationships carry over? Why get rid of relationships? Do they realize how many people say that the character interactions and characters are one of the main reasons they bought the game and invent in dlc to expand their gameplay? Why no romance options? People who don't like romance always had the option not to partake of it. With an RPG characters are important and the more options you have the more real the game will feel.  Why dumb down one of the aspects that made this game stand out in the first place?

I thought the whole idea of an 'expansion' is to ADD to the existing game, not totally scrap large amounts of what you already achieved and remove features from games. What kind of BS is that? This sounds like they may as well make it a separate game and be done with it. At this rate I hope they don't plan to charge any more for Awakening than a dlc since it will take away features just as it brings new ones.

"David Gaider wrote...
Just
regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just
means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship
during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you
mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I
would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't
possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you --
recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large
(and this applies to things outside of romances, as well)."

I hope this means that there will be further expansions where we DO get to continue our relationships with these characters?  I'm glad I'm not in for 'haha, everyone you knew and loved died again!  Time for another quest of vengence!'  D:  But I don't realy see the point of having to start anew for this.  I could see why Morrigan wouldn't be available given certain endings, or Alistair if he's king, etc... I can see why Wynn might not be ready to take on another blight...  But to not have any of them carry over ,., how does that even make sence?  'Wait and see' just isn't good enough if it means parting with my precious money to do so.

People are getting REALLY pissed-off.......

I don't mean to sound mad, just frustrated.  If this is an expansion, then what happens after it?  Since it removes things from the game, will that mean that new dlc and future expansions will require this one to build off of, or will it mean that new ones simply won't be compatible with this one... a veritable fork in the road for every new expansion they come out with.  I was really looking forward to new content, but particularly.... ruling the kingdom ether as Alistare's wife, Anora's husband, or the far too clever rogue shadow government with Alistair as a mere puppet.... those options sound like fun.  Or going on journeys to my companion's homelands for new storylines... seeing how these characters I spent time getting to know act in their homeland... learning about them in greater depth than their brief convos could ever tell me.  I worry that this 'expansion' is a step in the oposite direction, and wonder if it would cause complication for future plot development.  It's all just well intentioned concern.  These NPCs from the original story are way too great and have way to much untapped potential left to be brushed aside and left in the past.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 14 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[Bratt1204]

EccentricSage wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

WTF? Why can't Zevran go with me on this new quest? Considering he's one of the most loyal companions once you get him to 33, a rogue, not tied to any responsabilities, and adventurous by nature, it makes no sense that he won't be in the expansion.

And why DON'T dlc and character relationships carry over? Why get rid of relationships? Do they realize how many people say that the character interactions and characters are one of the main reasons they bought the game and invent in dlc to expand their gameplay? Why no romance options? People who don't like romance always had the option not to partake of it. With an RPG characters are important and the more options you have the more real the game will feel.  Why dumb down one of the aspects that made this game stand out in the first place?

I thought the whole idea of an 'expansion' is to ADD to the existing game, not totally scrap large amounts of what you already achieved and remove features from games. What kind of BS is that? This sounds like they may as well make it a separate game and be done with it. At this rate I hope they don't plan to charge any more for Awakening than a dlc since it will take away features just as it brings new ones.

"David Gaider wrote...
Just
regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just
means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship
during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you
mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I
would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't
possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you --
recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large
(and this applies to things outside of romances, as well)."

I hope this means that there will be further expansions where we DO get to continue our relationships with these characters?  I'm glad I'm not in for 'haha, everyone you knew and loved died again!  Time for another quest of vengence!'  D:  But I don't realy see the point of having to start anew for this.  I could see why Morrigan wouldn't be available given certain endings, or Alistair if he's king, etc... I can see why Wynn might not be ready to take on another blight...  But to not have any of them carry over ,., how does that even make sence?  'Wait and see' just isn't good enough if it means parting with my precious money to do so.

People are getting REALLY pissed-off.......

I don't mean to sound mad, just frustrated.  If this is an expansion, then what happens after it?  Since it removes things from the game, will that mean that new dlc and future expansions will require this one to build off of, or will it mean that new ones simply won't be compatible with this one... a veritable fork in the road for every new expansion they come out with.  I was really looking forward to new content, but particularly.... ruling the kingdom ether as Alistare's wife, Anora's husband, or the far too clever rogue shadow government with Alistair as a mere puppet.... those options sound like fun.  Or going on journeys to my companion's homelands for new storylines... seeing how these characters I spent time getting to know act in their homeland... learning about them in greater depth than their brief convos could ever tell me.  I worry that this 'expansion' is a step in the oposite direction, and wonder if it would cause complication for future plot development.  It's all just well intentioned concern.  These NPCs from the original story are way too great and have way to much untapped potential left to be brushed aside and left in the past.

I could not agree with you more. I am upset because I REALLY love the game and do not want to see it destroyed by a disappointing expansion that is senseless and doesn't continue your story as you would expect.

[TheLion36]

EccentricSage wrote...
If this is an expansion, then what happens after it?

If I look at how the Awakening expansion is build up so far, it looks like they wanted to continue the story without actually continuing the story... What I mean with that is they provide new companions and no new romances, nor do they let old ones return, this to me indicates that they wanted to keep the expansion more or less seperate, so that when they do continue with the core story (with that I mean our main companions etc), it doesn't matter if you played this expansion or not... Had they allowed you to continue with the same companions in this expansion then things around those characters had changed and then it could cause a problem for those who did not play the expansion... It looks a lot like they will pick up where they left off with our NPC friends in DA2 or in another expansion pack (most likely DA2 however). I guess the story is also just a sidearc to the core story which will (most likely) be continued in DA2.

You mention removing things, I'm assuming you're talking about the DLC items, because the relationships are basically still there you just don't actively get to act on them. DLC items are no real issue if you look at continuation. Whether you need to have played the expansion to import your save into DA2 I do not know, however looking at the way Awakening is build up I would say they will probably support DAO and DA:A savegames.

And the romance thing, well consider still being with your romance of choice but in Awakening you're just on a business trip.  And in Morrigans case you just took a momentary break from tracking her down! 

Modifié par TheLion36, 14 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[-Zippi-]

This is shocking. I love Bioware, but this is EXTREMELY disapointing and totally unlogic.

One of the funniest things in a RPG is to build up a character with great epic gear. When a RPG gets an expansion the most natural thing is that you start up with the gear you collected and even paid for earlier. For me: to lose the Warden Commander set is very sad.

I hope anyone from Bioware can give a good reason for this. For now it sounds like lazyness. I hope you wont destroy the fantastic Origins-game with rushed expansions.

Also disaponted that the romance is gone. Was a very important part of Origins. However - if the romance still lives in the background it is not so terrible. Really hope it will be possible to import alle gear though. All fans should push Bioware here.

Dragon Age is - in my opinion - the best singleplayer RPG ever. It is fantastic, and I cant believe that I have played a 60hrs game 3 times. Then again; it would be sad to see this masterpiece destroyed with a rushed expansion.

Btw: Hope there will be a new patch for Origins soon. The story bugs at the end of the game if you chose to not make Alistar king are terrible. How many times do they call him king even if he is not?

Modifié par -Zippi-, 14 février 2010 - 11:14 .