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[alexa_025]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

Wow, that is one serious misinformed guy.

Or is he? Alot of people will hate me for saying this but to acknowledge all the possibilities perhaps we are misinformed. Truth is told in the eyes of the victors, it gets changed as theres nobody to say different. Perhaps Brice Cousland had some skeletons in his closet that we never knew about? Perhaps Howe done what he fought was right to stop Brice from doing something terrible after the battle of Ostagar. The ideal time to stop him was when your forces marched to Ostagar. He killed everyone in the hope Brices plan would never be uncovered and this man (who is apparently Nathaniel Howe by name) knows this.

Or perhaps i am wrong and he is just misinformed as Songlian wrote.

Yes, but did Howe have to try to end the Cousland line altogether? Seems a bit excessive. And I don't believe Howe was loyal to the Crown, since he didn't even like Cailan - though Loghain may be a different story. Also, Howe didn't strike me as a man who'd do anything that didn't benefit him more than anyone. From what I could see, he wanted Highever and the title of teyrn, things he believed should have been his (the Couslands got Highever when the Howe family's cousins, the Elstans', line ended with Conobar) hence the 'I deserved more' when he died.

At any rate, I do think what you say is possible, I just don't see Howe as the type who'd be motivated by something like that (if it were someone else, maybe even Loghain, sure). I may be wrong, but no one even liked the guy enough to go to his funeral (including his family, apparently), and I happen to think he's a sleazy scumbag who's just out for himself. This guy Nathaniel doesn't even seem to know why Howe attacked the Couslands, he just assumes they did something really bad and deserved what they got. Anyway, this is jmo. I guess we'll see.

[alexa_025]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

alexa_025 wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

Wow, that is one serious misinformed guy.

Or is he? Alot of people will hate me for saying this but to acknowledge all the possibilities perhaps we are misinformed. Truth is told in the eyes of the victors, it gets changed as theres nobody to say different. Perhaps Brice Cousland had some skeletons in his closet that we never knew about? Perhaps Howe done what he fought was right to stop Brice from doing something terrible after the battle of Ostagar. The ideal time to stop him was when your forces marched to Ostagar. He killed everyone in the hope Brices plan would never be uncovered and this man (who is apparently Nathaniel Howe by name) knows this.

Or perhaps i am wrong and he is just misinformed as Songlian wrote.

Yes, but did Howe have to try to end the Cousland line altogether? Seems a bit excessive. And I don't believe Howe was loyal to the Crown, since he didn't even like Cailan - though Loghain may be a different story. Also, Howe didn't strike me as a man who'd do anything that didn't benefit him more than anyone. From what I could see, he wanted Highever and the title of teyrn, things he believed should have been his (the Couslands got Highever when the Howe family's cousins, the Elstans', line ended with Conobar) hence the 'I deserved more' when he died.

At any rate, I do think what you say is possible, I just don't see Howe as the type who'd be motivated by something like that (if it were someone else, maybe even Loghain, sure). I may be wrong, but no one even liked the guy enough to go to his funeral (including his family, apparently), and I happen to think he's a sleazy scumbag who's just out for himself. This guy Nathaniel doesn't even seem to know why Howe attacked the Couslands, he just assumes they did something really bad and deserved what they got. Anyway, this is jmo. I guess we'll see.

He had to kill all the Couslands to protect his family from avenging sons/daughters and when they were all dead he could find (or fake) proof so that the king recognised him as a hero and he would be rewarded. Cailan would probably be like you should hav told me first even though that would give Brice time to hide or destroy evidence. When Loghain got the king killed Howe told him what he had done as Loghain is much smarter than Cailan and was rewarded.

Or he and Loghain planned the thing together. There are a lot of ways to look at the motivation for what was done at Highever. Either Bryce was secretly planning a Loghain type move himself, Loghain wanted Cailan out of the way to install himself as regent and the Couslands would hinder his plan, or Howe is just a greedy bastard. Loghain was likely lying, but he said himself Howe should have been brought before the cenosure (sp?), not killed in his home at night, which is precisely what Howe did to Bryce. Either way, Howe benefited greatly (for a while) for what he did.
Anyway, the views of those involved will be skewed one way or another if you play a HN.

Modifié par alexa_025, 07 mars 2010 - 03:18 .

[alexa_025]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

alexa_025 wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

alexa_025 wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

Wow, that is one serious misinformed guy.

Or is he? Alot of people will hate me for saying this but to acknowledge all the possibilities perhaps we are misinformed. Truth is told in the eyes of the victors, it gets changed as theres nobody to say different. Perhaps Brice Cousland had some skeletons in his closet that we never knew about? Perhaps Howe done what he fought was right to stop Brice from doing something terrible after the battle of Ostagar. The ideal time to stop him was when your forces marched to Ostagar. He killed everyone in the hope Brices plan would never be uncovered and this man (who is apparently Nathaniel Howe by name) knows this.

Or perhaps i am wrong and he is just misinformed as Songlian wrote.

Yes, but did Howe have to try to end the Cousland line altogether? Seems a bit excessive. And I don't believe Howe was loyal to the Crown, since he didn't even like Cailan - though Loghain may be a different story. Also, Howe didn't strike me as a man who'd do anything that didn't benefit him more than anyone. From what I could see, he wanted Highever and the title of teyrn, things he believed should have been his (the Couslands got Highever when the Howe family's cousins, the Elstans', line ended with Conobar) hence the 'I deserved more' when he died.

At any rate, I do think what you say is possible, I just don't see Howe as the type who'd be motivated by something like that (if it were someone else, maybe even Loghain, sure). I may be wrong, but no one even liked the guy enough to go to his funeral (including his family, apparently), and I happen to think he's a sleazy scumbag who's just out for himself. This guy Nathaniel doesn't even seem to know why Howe attacked the Couslands, he just assumes they did something really bad and deserved what they got. Anyway, this is jmo. I guess we'll see.

He had to kill all the Couslands to protect his family from avenging sons/daughters and when they were all dead he could find (or fake) proof so that the king recognised him as a hero and he would be rewarded. Cailan would probably be like you should hav told me first even though that would give Brice time to hide or destroy evidence. When Loghain got the king killed Howe told him what he had done as Loghain is much smarter than Cailan and was rewarded.

Or he and Loghain planned the thing together. There are a lot of ways to look at the motivation for what was done at Highever. Either Bryce was secretly planning a Loghain type move himself, Loghain wanted Cailan out of the way to install himself as regent and the Couslands would hinder his plan, or Howe is just a greedy bastard. Loghain was likely lying, but he said himself Howe should have been brought before the cenosure (sp?), not killed in his home at night, which is precisely what Howe did to Bryce.
Anyway, the views of those involved will be skewed one way or another if you play a HN.

I had suspected Loghain and Howe had planned this toghether as he had planned against the circle using Uldred. If so then perhaps Loghain was informed before Cailan and Loghain revealed his plan knowing that Howe is self-centred and will go along with it.

Me too. This is a theory I can get behind.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I very much doubt Bioware will make a 180 turn and say: "Howe was good all along". With Loghain, they showed his bad and good qualities and it was clear that he could be redeemed. Howe never showed this. He manages to be greedy to his last breath, literally.

What they will do, I think, is show that not all Howes are as bad as Rendon. So hopefully we can help Nathaniel restore honor to his family name.

[J-Reyno]

I'm actually liking this guy, even as my main PC is HMN. I don't think Darren (my pc) will be upset that the guy has loyalties to Howe. Sure, some hairs on his neck may raise, but Darren will remember that there was was a time when he (and his family) trusted Howe. What he will do is attempt to stifle this infiltrator's blind loyalty. After all the HN family may have well had some dirty dealings of their own that we just aren't aware of.

With that in mind, it's most likely that Darren will calmly try to come to an agreement to leave these things behind and enlist the guy's help. But trust that his calmness shouldn't be mistaken for patience. The Howe-supporter will have few chances to abuse the Cousland name before losing a tongue. Hopefully they don't make him too difficult to deal with, because if he is indeed an available companion I'd like to use him.

EDIT: As far as this guy's relation to Howe, he's giving off an adopted son/ward feel.

Modifié par Reyno411, 08 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[Cyansomnia]

It really depends on what this guy is trying to do in the comic. Is he there to assassinate the Commander? If so, that would be attempted regicide in my case. That's a pretty heinous crime, and I'm sure Alistair would want him executed or imprisoned at the very least. If he is indeed a Howe, my character would want to speak with him and learn his story. If this man had a change of heart, she'd give him a chance. He'd get conscripted into the Grey Wardens and serve Ferelden to redeem himself and his family name. If he survived The Joining, that is.

Now don't get me wrong, she'd watch him like a hawk. So much as even a sign of betrayal and she wouldn't hesitate to run him through.  Win-win situation in opinion.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 08 mars 2010 - 08:16 .

[Wowlock]

Rendon Howe was a bad Apple of the tree. Maybe other Howe's not as bad as he is but still I think they can be redeemable. There were much more deep events happend in the past and maybe we will able to see Howe's real intensions.



Although nothing will redeem Rendon Howe in my eyes, ever. ( besides his cool Voice Actor )



I think I have to teach some manners to this Howe's. Or maybe I can become like Bryce Cousland and take this Howe as my comrade in arms , just like Bryce did to Rendon. Lets hope this guy wont be an ambitious vile snake like Rendon.

[Default137]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

It really depends on what this guy is trying to do in the comic. Is he there to assassinate the Commander? If so, that would be attempted regicide in my case. That's a pretty heinous crime, and I'm sure Alistair would want him executed or imprisoned at the very least. If he is indeed a Howe, my character would want to speak with him and learn his story. If this man had a change of heart, she'd give him a chance. He'd get conscripted into the Grey Wardens and serve Ferelden to redeem himself and his family name. If he survived The Joining, that is.

Now don't get me wrong, she'd watch him like a hawk. So much as even a sign of betrayal and she wouldn't hesitate to run him through.  Win-win situation in opinion.

Regicide is attempting to kill the King.

The highest you can get in Origins is Teryn of Gwaren, if you marry Alistar/Anora you are only a Consort.

[OdiousPirate]

There should be some interesting interactions between him and the Cousland Warden if he is in the game. Looking forward to that if it's true.



Gabe's one hell of a finisher and I love his line work. So good, but the flow of the comic here keeps tossing me out of the story. Actions in panels are going one way when it should be going along with the reader's eye. And the text boxes irk me for some reason, there's something off about them. Might be the type or the way they're placed. No clue, typography's always been a weak spot.



Right, so now that that's off my chest I'm gonna...you know, go back to the lurking. "Hello" at any rate!

[HighMoon]

You know what would be cool? Meeting Howe's family in Awakening, his wife as well as Thomas and Delilah.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Golden-Rose wrote...

You know what would be cool? Meeting Howe's family in Awakening, his wife as well as Thomas and Delilah.

AND THEN GUTTING THEM!

...imma very bad man...

[Maverick23]

Meeting Howe's family would be quite the interesting encounter. I wonder how it will end with my HN though....

[xzxzxz701]

Maverick23 wrote...

Meeting Howe's family would be quite the interesting encounter. I wonder how it will end with my HN though....

I hear bloodbaths are all the rage now and days.

[Lantrov]

I'd definitely love to meet him in the keep with my HMN.

One night he comes into Vigil's Keep and infiltrates into the commander's room where my PC (Astin) is standing in front of the hearth. The door opens with Nathaniel entering only to stop shortly seeing Astin with his back to him. He slowly turns around and engages in a bit of dialogue until when it boils down to a duel between them. Ultimately it ends with Nathaniel losing and the choice to kill him or bring him into the Grey Wardens.

[dunachar]

Soooooooooooo excited for the next part today !

[Wowlock]

When will it be release !



Cant wait for the next chapter.

[Kats_RK]

Dude i just want to see Morrigan

[boardnfool86]

Morrigan isn't in awakenings... though she will be central in DA 2 which MAY come out 2/1/2011 and I am excited (why do I think Morrigan will be central? She is the only character you cannot kill in DAO)

oh and release page 5 already

Modifié par boardnfool86, 12 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[silverholly83]

page 5 is up now

[dunachar]

eh. that page didn't really do anything for me.