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[Tylyanhar]

I honestly think that sparing the base was the best choice because it increases the odds of success against the Reapers. However, we still don't know what TIM intends with the Collector Base. He could end up using it to help humanity dominate the council. It's all speculation, though.

[phatpat63]

I think ME3 may be a little like DA:O and you'll need to rally allies across the galaxy for the war. All the signpost are there.



If you freed the Rachni queen they will be in ME3 and "owe you one"

If you spared Wrex on Vermire the Krogan will be united under a friend of yours. From the dialog with Wreav it's obvious he's in a weaker position and is set on "the same failed policies"

If the Quarians go to war to take back their homeworld the largest fleet in the galaxy will be decimated if not annihilated

And if you kill the Council you hear news bites in ME2 of the Asari ceding defense responsibilities to the Turians, and of the Turians ignoring previously set limits in a military buildup possibly hinting at a 'Turian Rebellion'/civil war



In short if you've been playing renegade you're going to be short on friends in ME3. I suspect the Collector Base is the equalizer that enables humanity to stop/repel the Reaper invasion alone. If you've been playing renegade AND destroyed the base I wouldn't be surprised if you've doomed the galaxy.

[Al-the-Catman]

Pros vs. Cons. Pros: Possible advancements in technology to use against the reapers. Cons: TIM is pro-humanity, his vision for humanity ("Cerberus is humanity"). Indoctrination & computer virus traps as consequences of using tech that will come back to bite us in the ass!

[Qario]

phatpat63 wrote...
If you've been playing renegade AND destroyed the base I wouldn't be surprised if you've doomed the galaxy.

I lol'd

Makes you wanna create  paragon/paragon and renegade/renegade (ME1/ME2) saves for ME3, just to see how the two plays out.

[Qario]

bump

[GreenDragon37]

I destroyed the base, and I don't regret it. No good could have come out of it. Like Anderson said, "You can't trust Cerberus."



I've got plenty of other allies waiting to come in Mass Effect 3 and help me. But we'll see...

[Tamcia]

Its better to destroy it.



Why? Lets see past experience:



Saren was corrupted by Sovereign, so was anyone on board. TIM did research and must have know that (or had assumptions that he needed confirming, just like in one of the missions) when sending research team to derelict reaper, that had a sad ending.



Every encounter we had with their tech, ended in a bad way. Now you want to hand over a tech that can construct reapers, from humans/other races? Especially to Cerberus, that clearly don't care about moral and ethical choices, and see as "goal justifies the means". Even in the new book it is said a human is implanted with reaper tech by TIM - so tell me - are you that naive and believe Cerberus won't replicate what collectors were doing. Sure he will probably use prisoners etc, but come on.

Further more it was clearly stated that it will be for humanity alone and I'm sorry but we are all in this together, meaning other races as well, and I don't want to see humans starting to dominate the galaxy.





Even more - Cerberus gains power, and I doubt that humanity will remain the same. They will take control of it, and like in some history examples, people who disagree will disappear or will be sent to reeducation camps.



Back to tech. Reapers left the relays and some mass effect tech so races would take a predetermined way of technology. This is control. By studying collectors and trying to replicate their weapons etc, you are following the reaper designed path anyway.



Last point - do you believe the reapers will not know what is going on in that base? You might have purged the collectors, but just like TIM ha bugs all over Normandy, so will the reapers. They are millions of years more advanced and its logical to assume that reapers were using some methods to monitor collector base, other then the "general". So if this is true (again just guesswork) what you do may be influenced by the reapers.



But thats just what I believe. All of this is guessing, due to no real evidence.

[glasgoo21]

Keep it of course (get back a bit to go that much more forward), casual damage is part of ME, a constant line trough both games

- TIM, mian ally, Anderson is nice, but you don't buy anything with that (nearly cost us the Citadel in ME1)
- Technology is priceless, we are strongly disadvantaged towards the Reapers, hard to do without
- If you can stop the Reapers, you can be damn sure you can stop TIM if required, I'm sure Shepard is already analysing the situation (Exit strategy let's say)

Look at the Potential, of course this will make Humanity the leading species in the galaxy, but wake up, Idealisme is for the 'Anderson's' of this world, equality between races is a nice goal, so why do we not have a representative of all races on the council, no, We have leading races and secondary. This will just put us top of the list.

Will be a great 4th ME to see how that turns out

[GreenDragon37]

glasgoo21 wrote...

Keep it of course (get back a bit to go that much more forward), casual damage is part of ME, a constant line trough both games

- TIM, mian ally, Anderson is nice, but you don't buy anything with that (nearly cost us the Citadel in ME1)
- Technology is priceless, we are strongly disadvantaged towards the Reapers, hard to do without
- If you can stop the Reapers, you can be damn sure you can stop TIM if required, I'm sure Shepard is already analysing the situation (Exit strategy let's say)

Look at the Potential, of course this will make Humanity the leading species in the galaxy, but wake up, Idealisme is for the 'Anderson's' of this world, equality between races is a nice goal, so why do we not have a representative of all races on the council, no, We have leading races and secondary. This will just put us top of the list.

Will be a great 4th ME to see how that turns out

I can see the whole galaxy going to hell in that scenario.
Do you think the other species will just let you walk all over them and go all Space Hitler on 'em? They will declare Humanity a "Rogue Nation" and then it will be Civil War... making it easy pickins for the Reapers.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 14 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[Ultra Prism]

The Illusive Man will indeed use the technology to build new stuff that can bad impact, Reaper technology is advance and annoying with bugs, that can have bad affect....

[glasgoo21]

[I can see the whole galaxy going to hell in that scenario.
Do you think the other species will just let you walk all over them and go all Space Hitler on 'em? They will declare Humanity a "Rogue Nation" and then it will be Civil War... making it easy pickins for the Reapers.[/quote]


Well, to quote history, It's not a Hitler scenario, it's rather an advantage scenario. Where is Africa compared to Europe and the USA. What was the reason for the cold war seen that it all wasn't that bad after all, since we now work together (mostly). Mossad is best secret service around, but still there are stubborn romours of misabuse to get info and results.

ME is also real life, be sure that if one big danger remains when you choose to destroy the base, when the Reapers arrive, what races will you sacrifice in order to beat them? Humans first?? Who will be the front line, Humans?! This far we haven't seen any race mixed armies in ME?! C-sec only got 'humanized' due to lack of staff.

So who will you send as bate?

[GreenDragon37]

[quote]glasgoo21 wrote...

[I can see the whole galaxy going to hell in that scenario.
Do you think the other species will just let you walk all over them and go all Space Hitler on 'em? They will declare Humanity a "Rogue Nation" and then it will be Civil War... making it easy pickins for the Reapers.[/quote]


Well, to quote history, It's not a Hitler scenario, it's rather an advantage scenario. Where is Africa compared to Europe and the USA. What was the reason for the cold war seen that it all wasn't that bad after all, since we now work together (mostly). Mossad is best secret service around, but still there are stubborn romours of misabuse to get info and results.

ME is also real life, be sure that if one big danger remains when you choose to destroy the base, when the Reapers arrive, what races will you sacrifice in order to beat them? Humans first?? Who will be the front line, Humans?! This far we haven't seen any race mixed armies in ME?! C-sec only got 'humanized' due to lack of staff.

So who will you send as bate?[/quote]



Hm, you have brought up an interesting question. If the militaries can't all form into one... I'd make the Batarians(if they join) go first. I hate those jerks.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 14 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Tyaol]

Remember what Mordin says about giving technology to low-advanced civilization...Which leads to the Krogan Rebellion

By introducing modern mass effect weapons to the Krogans...they used Krogans to end the Rachi Wars, but it backfires and started the Krogan Rebellion...

[glasgoo21]

[
ME is also real life, be sure that if one big danger remains when you choose to destroy the base, when the Reapers arrive, what races will you sacrifice in order to beat them? Humans first?? Who will be the front line, Humans?! This far we haven't seen any race mixed armies in ME?! C-sec only got 'humanized' due to lack of staff.

So who will you send as bate?[/quote]



Hm, you have brought up an interesting question. If the militaries can't all form into one... I'd make the Batarians(if they join) go first. I hate those jerks. [/quote]


Good pick, Vorcha are next in line! lol

[Nishmaet]

Told, the council to go take a trip out an airlock, blew the base and ticked TIM off... Council thinks me renegade probably, TIM's gonna be after my ass probably... Gonna be fun to figure that one out .



Giving the base to TIM? Baaaaaad idea. Fairly sure the **** would use it do make humans 'dominant' before the reapers came knocking, thus starting a galactic civil war, thus reapers are free to reap us, thus kablowie ;d.

[Valaky]

Cerberus. The question lies if the Illusive Man can be "paragonized".
If so we might see a good side: Cerberus use the technology against the reapers and then give in the tech to the council, who hopefully will reward cerberus at some point.

A bad side is that they would use other species they captured to test some collectors/reaper tech on them. Also they could (as said before) abuse their new power, once the reapers are finished, Cerberus could take over control of the citadel, kill the council, then take entire control of the politics of any species and threat them all with their new toy.

I think ME3 will have some very difficult decisions to make after destroying the base. ME1 paragon ending seems to have no true effect here in ME2, but the council knows you, while the new council have even lesser trust in you so they'll have a much harder time to believe you. Even if the ME1 council doesn't show true support, they are all the time right. Everything they do affects so many species that it is VERY hard to make a decision, one error can get billions of lives killed. The questions now are: What does the council says about the destroyed Collector base, did they agree or not? What will they do with your spectre rank, as you disobey an order "don't go into the Travers system" ? Do they still trust you after the ME2 happenings.

ME1 paragon moves are being speculated to bring a lot of support in ME3 such as the Rachni. Maybe the devs did this on purpose and maybe ME2 renegade options will be the best for ME3

Also it depends if you're loyal to the council or are a pure renegade human who dispites aliens.

Shepard has the experience with Saren: Misleading the people around him but at the end when you go the full paragon way you have a talk with Saren where he commits suicide because you manage to talk sence to him, this might happen with TIM in ME3, or even not at all as it must be unpredictable (else there is no fun anymore).

Another scenario would be: Resurrecting the dead Collectors and figuring out they could return to their sences, OR make you believe they return to their sences and then betray you at the end to save the reapers.

Ideas are limitless *.*

EDIT: When we look at the some mythology, we know that Cerberus is a 3 headed dog, which mean, we can expect the unexpected. Example: An additional attack from another head/side. Seems that Cerberus will always have 3 options, unless you cut off one head. (Who knows we might already have done this by destroying the Collectors base)

Modifié par Valaky, 14 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[medlish]

Shin-Anubis wrote...

Once TIM said "to ensure human dominance throughout the galaxy" I was pretty damn sure that there can't be any good outcome saving the base.

Somehow I think Bioware did a bad job on this. If you analyse TIM you know he's careful with his words. I think he would never say anything like that. Knowing Shepard he would say something like: 

"This base and its technology can save many lives. Do you really want to throw away all the lifes to get to this base and the lifes of the people who were made into that reaper? We will need everything we can get to fight the reapers. Don't make this mistake to destory the base".

But Bioware had to pull the black and white view on TIM. Not only with his choice of words but with the reactions of the crew. Also, I'm pretty sure they will continue this with ME3. If they at least made him say something like I suggested we would have more surprises in ME3.

[medlish]

double post

Modifié par medlish, 14 février 2010 - 09:05 .

[glasgoo21]

Rachni, how can you have them live on, I went 'Sigourny Weaver' on them!

[Safoulan]

Allies & Enemies, that seems to be a major theme.



Choosing to destroy The Collector Base you see/hear Harbinger say to his Collector Pawn:

"You have failed! We will find another way."



It was revealed that Reapers are likely at an evolutionary dead end, which it's hinted is likely why they do their harvesting cycle in the first place, to dominate organics & find the rare organic species that can support a new line of Reapers. THAT is their method of reproduction, as EDI said.



So, while in ME3 the Reapers may attempt to use the Base against you to continue their Human Reaper initiative, an easier outcome to predict is that Keeping the base solidifies Cerberus as an ally & alienates those against them. Destroying the Base makes Cerberus an enemy & re-opens alliances with those opposed to Cerberus.



ME3 will likely be all about your list of Allies & what they can do for you, as well as your list of enemies & how much they cost you while you're trying to face the Reaper threat.



A likely option at the end of ME3, if you don't have enough resources/allies to defeat the Reapers, is to submit to them. Or a pure evil Renegade choice of joining them even WITH many resources to take them down.



Just a few ideas there.

[Dezhem]

I kept the base, saved the rachni, got buddy buddy with the krogans, basically didn't burn any bridges at all, simply because it will need every scrap of power in the universe to destroy the reapers once and for all...

TiM isn't stupid. He wouldn't dare go all 'evil overlord' on the universe until after the reapers are dealt with. And once he tries, well... Shepard will be there to get rid of him.

[stillnotking]

It will not make a huge, game-altering difference. It'll probably work out about like saving the council vs. killing the council did in ME1. I remember a million threads arguing about which outcome was better on that one too. Bottom line, it's not really going to matter. You have to consider the limitations of the medium.

[abisha]

i have destroyed the base in all my games, Cerberus are terrorist, ask jack even if they play the good side +-

also even legion can see that if you use reaper technology, that you develop down the paths they desire. As legion said "it makes you blind to the alternatives.

even a damn robot can see more wisdom then TIM

[AlbertoAquilani]

I think it'll be very important. I made the right decision in destroying the base, even though my Shepard is an ****. I never liked Cerberus or the Illusive Man.



Also agree about the others, I think much of ME 3, similar to ME 2, will be your character uniting the races and trying to convince them and the council of the Reaper threat.