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[Thor Rand Al]

Aynslie wrote...

Well When I did it Morrigan basically considered me to be like a sister to her and seeing as how the ritual saved my life...or rather Alistair's life, I would have no problem raising the baby. The baby is what is allowing you to even be together after the arch-demon is slain. It represents a future for the female warden and Alistair even if you never see the baby. I wouldn't be resentful in anyway knowing that, I would be grateful to the baby. In an abstract way the baby is made from the female warden and Alistair's love (at least in my game). Without such love or trust I don't see Alistair agreeing to the ritual. Now maybe other ppl talk him into it w/o romancing him, but I didn't on my game. We were romanced every time.

Good way of looking at it n I have to agree.  In fact looking at it in that way I'm more sure about us raising this baby then Morrigan or somone else if something was to happen.  Wynne can be the child's teacher lol

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 13 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[Harelda]

errant_knight wrote...

Harelda wrote...

[...] And I felt sorry for Alistair; he's tragic enough without sacrificing himself and thinking that that's better all round.

We may disagree about the child, but I'm totally with you there. After hearing what Alistair told the Guardian, no PC of mine is ever going to let Alistair sacrifice himself for anything if he/she can prevent it. It just to hard to know if his willingness to do so is a product of thinking that his death isn't much of a loss.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Another reason why it's so hard playing this particular story because Alistair does think him sacrificing himself is for the best.  Even if you sacrifice yourself instead of him (whether he's king or not) I see it as only making him more bitter n resentful because once again fate took something else away from him.  Alistair really does have the ****ty end of this story.  No wonder why he thinks sacrificing himself is for the best.  One of the reason's why my pc ends up talking to him about the ritual, why I won't sacrifice myself or him is so she can show him that there's more to life then heartache n pain.

 So, basically we all (probably) really screwed over Thedas because Alistair needed a hug? Oh, that amuses me.

[Thor Rand Al]

Harelda wrote...

spottyblanket wrote...

My characetr would raise it yes. Besides, whose to say you can't produce a child? You can try 0_0

David Gaider has confirmed that two Grey Wardens cannot have a child together. Sorry, God has spoken.

Hey we may not be able to but don't take away the fun of trying lmao
Well I know he's said it's almost impossible but I've never seen that it can't literally be done but I may have missed a couple of his comments.

[Harelda]

Hrm, let me find the quote. He definately said it was impossible without magical intervention...

Edit:

David Gaider said...

"A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion."

Then he backs down a bit...

"Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story."

Modifié par Harelda, 13 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[errant_knight]

Harelda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Harelda wrote...

[...] And I felt sorry for Alistair; he's tragic enough without sacrificing himself and thinking that that's better all round.

We may disagree about the child, but I'm totally with you there. After hearing what Alistair told the Guardian, no PC of mine is ever going to let Alistair sacrifice himself for anything if he/she can prevent it. It just to hard to know if his willingness to do so is a product of thinking that his death isn't much of a loss.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Another reason why it's so hard playing this particular story because Alistair does think him sacrificing himself is for the best.  Even if you sacrifice yourself instead of him (whether he's king or not) I see it as only making him more bitter n resentful because once again fate took something else away from him.  Alistair really does have the ****ty end of this story.  No wonder why he thinks sacrificing himself is for the best.  One of the reason's why my pc ends up talking to him about the ritual, why I won't sacrifice myself or him is so she can show him that there's more to life then heartache n pain.

 So, basically we all (probably) really screwed over Thedas because Alistair needed a hug? Oh, that amuses me.

Well, I still wouldn't have done it if I didn't think that there might really be some truth to what Morrigan said about preserving the soul of the old god--and if I didn't think that it was very important that Alistair rule instead of Anora.Have to admit that saving Alistair was the primary motivator, though, and not just because my PC hated Anora.

Modifié par errant_knight, 13 février 2010 - 11:06 .

[Harelda]

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I still wouldn't have done it if I didn't think that there might really be some truth to what Morrigan said about preserving the soul of the old god--and if I didn't think that it was very important that Alistair rule instead of Anora.

 Stop spoiling my fun by being rational. But yeah, I agree. I would not like Anora on the throne when Alistair could rule and, ya know, reform stuff a bit. Rights and better conditions for Elves and all that. And I'm not the self-sacrificing type (could you guess?)

And to you below me... Stop it! Stop it! Stop it too!

 Depends on how you rationalize it, though. If you consider Alistair a better potential ruler than Anora and think/know he won't allow you to sacrifice yourself for him because he can't believe he could rule well, and you trust Morrigan...No, it's all peachy. Unless you live outside of Fereldan. Then you're screwed.

Modifié par Harelda, 13 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Harelda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Harelda wrote...

[...] And I felt sorry for Alistair; he's tragic enough without sacrificing himself and thinking that that's better all round.

We may disagree about the child, but I'm totally with you there. After hearing what Alistair told the Guardian, no PC of mine is ever going to let Alistair sacrifice himself for anything if he/she can prevent it. It just to hard to know if his willingness to do so is a product of thinking that his death isn't much of a loss.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Another reason why it's so hard playing this particular story because Alistair does think him sacrificing himself is for the best.  Even if you sacrifice yourself instead of him (whether he's king or not) I see it as only making him more bitter n resentful because once again fate took something else away from him.  Alistair really does have the ****ty end of this story.  No wonder why he thinks sacrificing himself is for the best.  One of the reason's why my pc ends up talking to him about the ritual, why I won't sacrifice myself or him is so she can show him that there's more to life then heartache n pain.

 So, basically we all (probably) really screwed over Thedas because Alistair needed a hug? Oh, that amuses me.

Um basically if we take the ritual aren't we screwing over Thedas period because of our own personal selfish reason's regardless of why were doing it; whether because you want to live, run off with Zev, Lel or any of the other choices you get.  1 of my playthroughs was because I wanted to live, one was for Alistair,  2  other playthroughs I sacrificed myself.  Also we do not know for sure how this baby's going to turn out.

[Thor Rand Al]

Harelda wrote...

Hrm, let me find the quote. He definately said it was impossible without magical intervention...

Edit:

David Gaider said...

"A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion."

Then he backs down a bit...

"Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story."

Lol, I did miss that

[errant_knight]

Harelda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I still wouldn't have done it if I didn't think that there might really be some truth to what Morrigan said about preserving the soul of the old god--and if I didn't think that it was very important that Alistair rule instead of Anora.

 Stop spoiling my fun by being rational. But yeah, I agree. I would not like Anora on the throne when Alistair could rule and, ya know, reform stuff a bit. Rights and better conditions for Elves and all that. And I'm not the self-sacrificing type (could you guess?)

And to you below me... Stop it! Stop it! Stop it too!

 Depends on how you rationalize it, though. If you consider Alistair a better potential ruler than Anora and think/know he won't allow you to sacrifice yourself for him because he can't believe he could rule well, and you trust Morrigan...No, it's all peachy. Unless you live outside of Fereldan. Then you're screwed.

Lol! Sorry about that.

[Harelda]

So we're all agreed then? Thedas is screwed because Alistair needed more hugs. Good. I am content.

[Thor Rand Al]

Harelda wrote...

So we're all agreed then? Thedas is screwed because Alistair needed more hugs. Good. I am content.

Lmfao ok since you put it that way; agreed

[Maria13]

Both my character and Alistair are good, if fallible. My elven mage basically told Alistair to do it without asking questions and he did. At the end he told her he suspects what the outcome of the ritual would be. We would have to act accordingly and jointly even though we may not be together as a couple we are responsible for that child. So yes my character would agree to raise it and I have little doubt that Alistair, given his wretched childhood would wish to do the same. But we are grey wardens, we will be vigilant...

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

Harelda wrote...

So we're all agreed then? Thedas is screwed because Alistair needed more hugs. Good. I am content.

Yes.
Maybe Morrigan too. Part of her motivation for the child may be questionable, But maybe the poor girl just wanted someone to love too.

[errant_knight]

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Harelda wrote...

So we're all agreed then? Thedas is screwed because Alistair needed more hugs. Good. I am content.

Yes.
Maybe Morrigan too. Part of her motivation for the child may be questionable, But maybe the poor girl just wanted someone to love too.

Er, you met Morrigan, right?

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

Yes... And when you get her speech about how she really does treasure you as a friend, very touching. If the characters had tears there would have been one.

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

Thor, you realize you really started something here don't you?

[Maria Caliban]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Now my questions are how many of you women that have had Alistair do this would want to raise the baby if the opportunity came up?&

Why in Andreste's name would I want to raise Alistair's and Morrigan's child? Several of my friends have managed to spawn off-spring, you don't see me coming over to their house going 'Hai. Kun I haz ur bebe?'

If Morrigan wanted me to be a god-mother to her child, I'd agree, of course.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Which brings up a question for the devs if they can/would answer.  Is it because Morrigan's a mage that she's able to ensure she's with child, n if that's the case why couldn't this same ritual/spell be done on a female who isn't a mage but want's a child but can't.&

Yes, Morrigan could perform the ritual on a female PC. She wouldn't do this, however, because she's not a charity worker.

Ramante wrote...

I always miss the option in the conversation with Morrigan why you can't do the ritual (so the Warden gets pregnant). Has probably something to do with the taint, but if she can use magic to get pregnant she should be able to get my FHN pregnant instead of her.

See above. She's spent the last year traveling and fighting the Blight with you so she'll have a chance to have the god-baby. And you think she's just going to let a FemWarden have it?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 février 2010 - 01:40 .

[errant_knight]

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Yes... And when you get her speech about how she really does treasure you as a friend, very touching. If the characters had tears there would have been one.

Yes, that was touching. I don't think it changes her priorities, though--survival, primarily, and power because it ensures survival. She wouldn't base a decision like this on feelings. I suppose we're drifting off topic here, though in discussing her motivations. That doesn't matter to the question as to whether one would keep the baby if she were somehow removed from the picture.

[Addai]

Harelda wrote...

"Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story."

Why am I reminded of this?  My HNF is Jim Carrey. 

Modifié par Addai67, 14 février 2010 - 01:40 .

[errant_knight]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Now my questions are how many of you women that have had Alistair do this would want to raise the baby if the opportunity came up?&

Why in Andreste's name would I want to raise Alistair's and Morrigan's child? Several of my friends have managed to spawn off-spring, you don't see me coming over to their house going 'Hai. Kun I haz ur bebe?'

If Morrigan wanted me to be a god-mother to her child, I'd agree, of course.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Which brings up a question for the devs if they can/would answer.  Is it because Morrigan's a mage that she's able to ensure she's with child, n if that's the case why couldn't this same ritual/spell be done on a female who isn't a mage but want's a child but can't.&

Yes, Morrigan could perform the ritual on a female PC. She wouldn't do this, however, because she's not a charity worker.

Ramante wrote...

I always miss the option in the conversation with Morrigan why you can't do the ritual (so the Warden gets pregnant). Has probably something to do with the taint, but if she can use magic to get pregnant she should be able to get my FHN pregnant instead of her.

See above. She's spent the last year traveling and fighting the Blight with you so she'll have a chance to have the god-baby. And you think she's just going to let a FemWarden have it?

I believe that the premise for the sake of discussion involved her being dead or otherwise out of the picture, and the child needing to be fobbed off on someone.

[SuperMedbh]

Addai67 wrote...
That said, I would have no idea how to raise a god baby. I imagine that presents parenting challenges.

Would bring new meaning to the terrible twos, wouldn't it?

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
That said, I would have no idea how to raise a god baby. I imagine that presents parenting challenges.

Would bring new meaning to the terrible twos, wouldn't it?

Hopefully god powers do not manifest till maturity and you have raised a well adjusted ...adult.

[Maria Caliban]

errant_knight wrote...

I believe that the premise for the sake of discussion involved her being dead or otherwise out of the picture, and the child needing to be fobbed off on someone.

Oh… I wonder how Leliana feels about kids?

But sure, I’d take it in. Do we know if it’s a girl or boy?

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

My guess, if Morrigan can control such a thing, probably girl.

[errant_knight]

Maria Caliban wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I believe that the premise for the sake of discussion involved her being dead or otherwise out of the picture, and the child needing to be fobbed off on someone.

Oh… I wonder how Leliana feels about kids?

But sure, I’d take it in. Do we know if it’s a girl or boy?

Nope, that's why I went with 'it', although given it's peculiar relationship with humanity that may turn out to be appropriate regardless of gender. Impolite, though.