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[stillnotking]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Apparently, Insanity and NG+ both raise the requirements for Paragade responses.

I still think the NG+ thing is a bug.

No, it's not a bug.  Charm/Intimidate checks scale with level, and in NG+ you are level 30 for the whole game, so until near the end the checks will be a lot harder.

[FROST4584]

November Cousland wrote...

I did that. I had the fight and couldn't paragon my way out of it. Now Miranda is unloyal again and I can't use the paragon option to fix things.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear when I said "be the most" paragon. I didn't mean 100% or near 100%

What I mean is get a good amount of paragon. Do Miranda's loyality mission then Jack's as soon as possible,( as soon as they ask for your help) then you should have the option of making them both back down. The longer you wait the harder it will be to make them both back down. Just be sure you have a desent amount of paragon points before you do it though.

Modifié par FROST4584, 14 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[Madame November]

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

[Endo322]

When they first have the fight you need 80% to stop it. If one of them gets their feelings hurt and loses loyalty, then you need 100% to reverse it.

[aeetos21]

I did it with less than 50% par (just over two bars) after Horizon.



That's a good amount. After that, your guess is as good as mine.

[FROST4584]

November Cousland wrote...

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

How far into the game are you in?

Such as how many people have you recuited?

Also how many loyality missions have you done?

Who loyality missions have you done?



If you are near the end of the game( right before the IFF mission) and still haven't done  or just did Jack's loyality mission, and don't have 100%  I am sure that you can't talk both of them down.

To talk both down you need to down both around mid game.

That is why I always do Miranda's loyality mission first and Jack's second. Keep in mind that Miranda's loyality mission comes ups far earlier than Jacks. So do her's ASAP , and when Kelly tells you to Jack wants to speak to you about the loyolity mission do her's ASAP. It will make talking them down easier.

Modifié par FROST4584, 14 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[Madame November]

Argh! 100% percent here I come!

*bakes everyone cookies*

[Madame November]

FROST4584 wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

How far into the game are you in?

Such as how many people have you recuited?

Also how many loyality missions have you done?

Who loyality missions have you done?



If you are near the end of the game( right before the IFF mission) and still haven't done  or just did Jack's loyality mission, and don't have 100%  I am sure that you can't talk both of them down.

All of the answers are on the previous page.

[Jarcander]

I didn't bother getting Jack or Zaeed loyal and they still survived. Pity.

[stillnotking]

November Cousland wrote...

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

It scales with level, so there is no hard and fast answer.  However, it is not difficult to max out Paragon in ME2, assuming you have 4 points in the class skill and choose the 100% evolution.  (You can always respec afterward if you want the other evolution for gameplay purposes.)

[FROST4584]

Its all about timing, in terms how long you wait to do a mission. In this case Jack's mission.

November Cousland  you don't need 100%. At least you need around 50- 60%

Modifié par FROST4584, 14 février 2010 - 05:31 .

[JedTed]

[Edit]nvm, question answered.

Modifié par JedTed, 14 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[aeetos21]

stillnotking wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

It scales with level, so there is no hard and fast answer.  However, it is not difficult to max out Paragon in ME2, assuming you have 4 points in the class skill and choose the 100% evolution.  (You can always respec afterward if you want the other evolution for gameplay purposes.)

If it scales with level than how the hell was I able to resolve it like this?

[FROST4584]

JedTed wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

The further you go into the game the higher your paragon or renegade meters need to be in order to solve difficult arguments. The whole "you need this much in order to keep both Jack and Miranda's loyalty" is bullsh*t and has been proven wrong again and again.

I'm confused, when you say "the further you go into the game" do you mean the longer you wait to do the mission the harder it is to resolve those situations?

I've never had a problem with this myself i'm just curious.  I did Miranda and Jack's missions pretty early and i think i got the charm option when i only had 50% Paragon.

Yes that what he or she means.

[stillnotking]

Interesting... perhaps it doesn't scale with level, but rather with the number of missions completed. All I know is that it gets harder later in the game.

Then again, in NG+ all the Charm/Intimidate checks are noticeably harder. That's what led me to believe level scaling was involved. I suppose it's also possible that NG+ has some kind of intrinsic multiplier. That doesn't make much sense to me though.

[Gill Kaiser]

stillnotking wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Apparently, Insanity and NG+ both raise the requirements for Paragade responses.

I still think the NG+ thing is a bug.

No, it's not a bug.  Charm/Intimidate checks scale with level, and in NG+ you are level 30 for the whole game, so until near the end the checks will be a lot harder.

Well, then it's a balancing/testing issue. It really detracts from the enjoyment of NG+, and it shouldn't be like that. At least in my opinion.

[FROST4584]

aeetos21 wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

What is a "good amount"? I was at 50% when I had the fight and now I have more than 80% and still can't resolve it.

It scales with level, so there is no hard and fast answer.  However, it is not difficult to max out Paragon in ME2, assuming you have 4 points in the class skill and choose the 100% evolution.  (You can always respec afterward if you want the other evolution for gameplay purposes.)

If it scales with level than how the hell was I able to resolve it like this?

Just be sure that you are choosing paragon options the majority of the time. Also help alot of people out that you see on planets.


Also you have to consider that some people like myself are playing from ME1 import characters that give us alot of paragon points from the start. I could be mistaken, but are you playing from a new non Mass Effect 1 character?

[Madame November]

FROST4584 wrote...

Its all about timing, in terms how long you wait to do a mission. In this case Jack's mission.

November Cousland  you don't need 100%. At least you need around 50- 60%

Did you read that I am at 80%? It still doesn't work. I have been trying since 50%

So, does playing on Insanity have something to do with it or not?

In case I haven't been clear, I am absolutely not interested in going back to before Jacks loyalty mission. I am trying to find out if I can resolve this before I go through OMEGA 4.

[FROST4584]

November Cousland wrote...

FROST4584 wrote...

Its all about timing, in terms how long you wait to do a mission. In this case Jack's mission.

November Cousland  you don't need 100%. At least you need around 50- 60%

Did you read that I am at 80%? It still doesn't work. I have been trying since 50%

So, does playing on Insanity have something to do with it or not?

In case I haven't been clear, I am absolutely not interested in going back to before Jacks loyalty mission. I am trying to find out if I can resolve this before I go through OMEGA 4.

Answer these questions:

How far into the game are you in?

Such as how many people have you recuited?

Also how many loyality missions have you done?

Who loyality missions have and have not done?

Modifié par FROST4584, 14 février 2010 - 05:41 .

[aeetos21]

aeetos21 wrote...

These threads annoy me, they always seem to pop up whenever I'm on here. Not sure about the makeup thing or the "be the better woman" option,  no matter how high my scores were I never was able to. It's better to knock the fight out asap before the meter requirement gets too high.
Or rather, click here for the "keep it simple stupid" way of maintaining each of their loyalties. Read the "more info" section to know what exactly I did

Pretty sure I'm playing on insanity in that video, that's what the gameplay screen says at least.

I'm quoting myself now - impressive.

[redleafchewer]

I believe the way to pull it off is to do the loyalty quest immediately as it becomes available.  this appies to Zaeed, Jack and Miranda, Legion and Tali. This is a theory in the making still

I've proven that I can aquire Zaeed's loyalty with only ten percent paragon by immediately doing his loyalty quest with three different starts.

I pulled off the Jack / Miranda Loyalty with lss than 50 percent loyalty by doing the Jack loyalty quest immediately after I got it.  Whether or not it's a fluke will have to wait until I push the other two characters to that point to test it.

Legion and Tali was succesful as 70 percent paragon becuase I once again did the Legion loyalty immediately.

Anyway thats my story and sticking to it.

[aeetos21]

It sounds like you got screwed, you were close to getting it, but not close enough.



I did Zaeed's loyalty mission when I was just short of completing the first bar. After I did the paragon method of beating his mission I was into the second bar and had enough to pick the paragon option and keep his loyalty.



I did Thane's recruitment mission before I did Jack's loyalty mission because I was still shy of completing my second paragon bar. Once I knew I was into my third paragon bar I compelted her mission and got the cutscene with the paragon option.

[stillnotking]

I don't think difficulty setting matters at all. I had a harder time in my first playthrough, on Veteran, than my subsequent Insanity playthroughs.

Also, to answer the question above, I have imported a ME1 save with max Paragon or Renegade for all of my ME2 playthroughs so far.

[Madame November]

aeetos21 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

These threads annoy me, they always seem to pop up whenever I'm on here. Not sure about the makeup thing or the "be the better woman" option,  no matter how high my scores were I never was able to. It's better to knock the fight out asap before the meter requirement gets too high.
Or rather, click here for the "keep it simple stupid" way of maintaining each of their loyalties. Read the "more info" section to know what exactly I did

Pretty sure I'm playing on insanity in that video, that's what the gameplay screen says at least.

I'm quoting myself now - impressive.

That's exactly how it went for me the first time I played, but this time even at 50%ish I didn't have the paragon speech option. Now I am past this point. Miranda won't talk to me and I am hoping I can get her loyalty back before Omega 4. Argh.

[aeetos21]

You never did a NG+ with an ME2 import?



Heh, it's easier to do the arguments with an ME1 save import than the NG+ because you get a paragon or renegade boost at the start - it's 190 points I believe for max.