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[Farscape-Fan]

Raygereio wrote...

The biggest problem most people have with EA is the fact that they have bought developerstudios primarily for their intellectual properties, and then produce game under the same IP but drastically changed to make it 'mainstream' (much to the displeasure of the fans).
Also, they got a lot of flak for shutting down studios after they weren't as succesfull as hoped (though actually in many cases they just merged smaller studio's into bigger ones, but who needs facts on the Internet).
Furthermore a lot of games they released were rushed (so they could be in stores for the holiday seasons) and as a result were often buggy, etc.
Lastly there was offcourse the whole DRM debable (you could only install a game 3 times and an installation was tied to your hardware). 

EA has changed. They have recognised their mistakes; they've stoped treating their customers as criminals (well, as much as a corporation can) by including just a CD check and handing out free DLC as a 'thank you for buying this game new' gift.
They've also changed the way they handle the studios they've acquired by given them more of a free reign in their game design (yes, EA did in fact not tell BioWare to include an ammosystem. Don't believe me? Look it up on the old ME forums, a Dev stated it there).
They are no longer the Evil Empire ™, but if Internetmeme's have taught us one thing, it's that we love beating that dead horse over and over again.

This.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

but i dont feel ea is ruinning bioware..dragon age and mass effect 2 were amazing

[XfStef]

were they ? I played both and I can't remember pretty much else except from the story.... if we go back in time, I can still tell you many things on diablo or kotor.... those were amazing.....

[bjdbwea]

DA was in development long before EA got involved. ME 2 was the first game developed from the start under EA. The result, well... you decide. Still it sold well enough, so at least BioWare won't be closed soon.

[vashts1985]

i dont hate EA, and they have definitely improved their standing over the last year, but i just cannot trust them to have the gamers/consumers best interest in mind.

joker: "i dont trust anyone that makes more money than i do."

Modifié par vashts1985, 13 février 2010 - 11:23 .

[XfStef]

not soon, but ea will dump them after they cash in on me3 .... it's a fact, bioware employees... start thinking about it, they will only use you, you'll work for another 2 years, cash out on what you make and then dump you... like they did to everybody else

[LuPoM]

Farscape-Fan wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

The biggest problem most people have with EA is the fact that they have bought developerstudios primarily for their intellectual properties, and then produce game under the same IP but drastically changed to make it 'mainstream' (much to the displeasure of the fans).
Also, they got a lot of flak for shutting down studios after they weren't as succesfull as hoped (though actually in many cases they just merged smaller studio's into bigger ones, but who needs facts on the Internet).
Furthermore a lot of games they released were rushed (so they could be in stores for the holiday seasons) and as a result were often buggy, etc.
Lastly there was offcourse the whole DRM debable (you could only install a game 3 times and an installation was tied to your hardware). 

EA has changed. They have recognised their mistakes; they've stoped treating their customers as criminals (well, as much as a corporation can) by including just a CD check and handing out free DLC as a 'thank you for buying this game new' gift.
They've also changed the way they handle the studios they've acquired by given them more of a free reign in their game design (yes, EA did in fact not tell BioWare to include an ammosystem. Don't believe me? Look it up on the old ME forums, a Dev stated it there).
They are no longer the Evil Empire ™, but if Internetmeme's have taught us one thing, it's that we love beating that dead horse over and over again.

This.

As stated above.. but yet one big mistake is still ongoing by EA.. Command & Conquer 4 is everything but old C&C Franchise as Westwood Studios created them.. and I feel very bad for it.. since I was very interested in the story (I own all the previous C&C)

[Raygereio]

XfStef wrote...
let's be serious... no game developer out there is starving...
it's all about the ceos and the action holders that put pressure on the devs to make the games more popular....

Look; you obviously have your opinions and as we all know when two people debate over the Internet, there are no winners.
But that statement over there is just wrong. Do you thinks it's easy or cheap to create a game? There are a lot of independent developerstudios out there that try; you know why you rarely hear from them? They fail because they are starving. World of Goo was a fluke.

Offcourse EA wants to make Mass Effect more popular. BioWare wants Mass Effect to be more popular. Why? Because a popular game sells. Yes, there is a fine line between trying to make a game more popular and pissing of fans of the existing franchise; but you can't blame them for trying. If you honestly think that a company can earn money by creating a game specifically tailored to the wishes of one individual (you), you're wrong.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[charliekrad]

Personally i like EA out of the publishers out there, them and MSGS, good customer service and good amount of IPs,

EA will rule the world one day.

[BLY78NOR]

XfStef wrote...

not soon, but ea will dump them after they cash in on me3 .... it's a fact, bioware employees... start thinking about it, they will only use you, you'll work for another 2 years, cash out on what you make and then dump you... like they did to everybody else

other then their sports titles and dice, Bioware are probably their biggest money makers they're not going to ditch them any time soon. What's more likely to happen is that IPs like ME and DA:O will get milked like crazy 

[XfStef]

it's not about my wishes... it's about what a lot of people say... that me2 was crap compared to the prequel... let's be serious now, sure the story and char build was still great... but the game lacked a lot of elements... it was really easy to play...and I mean... 10 yo easy... cause that's what ea does... that's their marketing expertise... get the young hooked on something.... it doesn't matter how the end game looks or feels, as long as they have their brand name in it and the young get pulled in because of 10 seconds of ass grabbing and sleezy engine room sex... heck ! they do it !

[XfStef]

look, what I'm saying... is that the game industry is ruined



they have started using psych methods of hooking people into playing their games, not because they want them to be great, but because money hungry tycoons are buying the shares. this is an industry, it's not about who makes the oldest brandy or the most original stuff, it's just about who has the leverage... who can manipulate the market masses... who can afford the most media attention. and believe me, in 10 years, this industry will be nothing more then a boring part of our beautiful adolescent lives... they will all become boring and perfectionists.... all creativity will be decapitated in favour of sequels that can be cheapply advertised and promoted



the monetary system devours everything, it eats the souls and dreams of our future...

[Sullax]

Not anymore, since Blizzard Activision is the greater evil in gaming industries now.

[stuka1000]

For those here that say EA has changed try telling that to Mythic. EA couldn't just leave well enough alone when WAR was being developed and the final product was nothing even remotely like the design documents etc. that Mythic originally envisioned. Instead it turned out to be a mainstream, cookie cutter theme park after a bite of Blizzard pie which is exactly what EA wanted and nobody was surprised when it fell flat on it's face. Instead of accepting a share of the blame however they canned Mark Jacobs and threw what was left of Mythic at Bioware.



I fear that the same will happen to SWTOR and if so we may just see the famous Bioware name drop off the radar, just another snack that was crapped out of EA's rear end.

[XfStef]

stuka1000 wrote...

For those here that say EA has changed try telling that to Mythic. EA couldn't just leave well enough alone when WAR was being developed and the final product was nothing even remotely like the design documents etc. that Mythic originally envisioned. Instead it turned out to be a mainstream, cookie cutter theme park after a bite of Blizzard pie which is exactly what EA wanted and nobody was surprised when it fell flat on it's face. Instead of accepting a share of the blame however they canned Mark Jacobs and threw what was left of Mythic at Bioware.

I fear that the same will happen to SWTOR and if so we may just see the famous Bioware name drop off the radar, just another snack that was crapped out of EA's rear end.

I hear you brother

[Voidlight]

I used to hate EA, but I respect them a fair deal now because they got their act together after the big DRM debacle. I would respect them more if they released an official malware removal patch for all their SecuROM-infected games (not that SecuROM was ever difficult to work around or outright remove).

[Faust1979]

isn't it just possible that some of the studios created their own problems by making crappy games? is making games art? yeah but those games cost money to make and to get that money you need to make games people want. Those studios went under because they kept making bad games you can't pin it all on EA. Most people just hate EA because they have a ton of money and are a big business it's that simple.

[Tasker]

stuka1000 wrote...

For those here that say EA has changed try telling that to Mythic. EA couldn't just leave well enough alone when WAR was being developed and the final product was nothing even remotely like the design documents etc. that Mythic originally envisioned. Instead it turned out to be a mainstream, cookie cutter theme park after a bite of Blizzard pie which is exactly what EA wanted and nobody was surprised when it fell flat on it's face. Instead of accepting a share of the blame however they canned Mark Jacobs and threw what was left of Mythic at Bioware.

I fear that the same will happen to SWTOR and if so we may just see the famous Bioware name drop off the radar, just another snack that was crapped out of EA's rear end.

I have grave doubts about SWtOR.

From everything i've seen so far its a cartoony looking single player game with a monthly charge.

And even though the idea of having everything voiced seems like a good one, unless they provide a hell of a lot of different voices to choose from for our main character then I think it just isn't going to work, the whole idea for MMOPRGs is that it's your character how you want it but if there's only one voice that can be selected then who's to say that's the voice I'd envisioned my character having?  Not to mention that having everyone sound exactly the same is really going to ****** people off..

[Looy]

EA aren't so bad any more. They've finally learnt that they can make more money by just letting developers get on with their thing rather than rushing them, forcing ****ty games and destroying the dev studio forever.

[stuka1000]

Faust1979 wrote...

isn't it just possible that some of the studios created their own problems by making crappy games? is making games art? yeah but those games cost money to make and to get that money you need to make games people want. Those studios went under because they kept making bad games you can't pin it all on EA. Most people just hate EA because they have a ton of money and are a big business it's that simple.

No mate.  You only need to look at EA's history to see the truth.  It's littered with the remains of once great studios that produced good games until they were swallowed up.

EA / SoE / Activision  The true axis of evil.

[Tasker]

Faust1979 wrote...

isn't it just possible that some of the studios created their own problems by making crappy games? is making games art? yeah but those games cost money to make and to get that money you need to make games people want. Those studios went under because they kept making bad games you can't pin it all on EA. Most people just hate EA because they have a ton of money and are a big business it's that simple.

In my opinion, a lot of those crappy games tend to come about because EA forces developers to rush out games that EA want them to make, and not games that the developers necessarily want to.

[KalReegar]

EA shouldnt be in the games industry period. They're too incompetent and dont have the passion and love required for such an industry. EA is better suited to manufacturing diapers or milk bottles.

[Kinvarus]

And their customer support is unbelievably s*** some of them don't even know what their talking about. The only branch of EA I like is EA Sports because NHL is the greatest ice hockey game series out there, I wouldn't say thought that Bioware is going downhill though

[XfStef]

"There is no emotion, there is peace.

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.

There is no passion, there is serenity.

(There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*)

There is no death, there is the Force. "



something EA will never be able to understand or use in their games

[Faust1979]

without EA we wouldn't have some of the great games that came out in the past and I will lost some here

seven cities of gold
Pinball construction set
Populous awesome game!
racing destruction set awesome game!
maniac mansion

I could list more but they either published or developed some very good games over the years

Modifié par Faust1979, 14 février 2010 - 12:14 .