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[Bryy_Miller]

XfStef wrote...

that is their recipy, they buy stuff, and just blow it up, waiting to cash in on the profits

there is NO single creative guy currently beeing employed by EA, they just rely on other people coming up with great idea on which they can rely

they are like a parasite, sucking the living life out of promising games

1) Publishers are parasites, yes.... but that's what they do. Publish. That's their job. Not to make the game.
2) Please back-up your statement of "there is no creative..."

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Kotick is a douchebag that vehemently hates video games and all video gamers, and actively looks for ways to spite us.

Do you have any proof of this ridiculous assumption?

[XfStef]

I don't have to back up anything, this isn't a public trial, and even if it was... their actions would speak for themselves

yes I know these companies do it for the money, but it's starting to look like a p**ing competition instead of game development... in which we, yes, the gamers have to take all their crap

lol... 1-0 for chaos

Modifié par XfStef, 14 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Yes, I want solid proof that someone that high up the food chain is trying to destroy the very industry that he is in.

[Bryy_Miller]

XfStef wrote...

I don't have to back up anything, this isn't a public trial, and even if it was... their actions would speak for themselves

Wow, you must be the head of your debate class, using the Because I Think So approach and the I Don't Need To Back Up My Statements About Other People's Lives tactic.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Yes, I want solid proof that someone that high up the food chain is trying to destroy the very industry that he is in.

At the Deutsche Bank Securities Technology Conference in San Francisco in September 2009, Kotick was quoted in saying: "The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into
Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making
video games."

Somehow I think that he was being sarcastic. But thank you for being civil and finding something.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 14 février 2010 - 01:40 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do you have any proof of this ridiculous assumption?

Read the various articles on IGN about this douche bag, he even stated he would increase the price of games by tenfold if it were up to him.

More proof that capitalism destroys people.

[Veex]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Somehow I think that he was being sarcastic. But thank you for being civil and finding something.

I can see how that would be a legitimate position. If he felt that his employees were having too much fun to the point where they were no longer being as productive as possible it doesn't need to be sarcastic. Some people simply operate from a position of the most efficient, practical approach from a business sense. They don't really care if you like your job as long as you do it well and to the best of your ability.

[yoomazir]

Well these guys are corporates, it always makes me think of those CEO's in the military industry,they don't necessarely love the content of their enterprise but they're not here for that they 're there because it needs to make a profit,for him,for the banks etc etc...

While the passionate (the designers or creators) wouldn't care about petty things like money or the Down Jones, instead he would put all the ressources and passion into creating what he wants.

In theory, these two wouldn't ever try to talk each other....in practice let's just say there's a wide range of gray between the white & the black.

If tomorrow EA & Bioware found that making a Mass Effect Guitar hero/Rockband game could sell 20 millions copies then you can be sure that they will do it and scrap ME3-4-5-6.

I don't agree how things work but if I was in their shoes I would probably do the same thing, it's not my integrity that would allow me to buy a Ferrari, it's my paycheck.

Modifié par yoomazir, 14 février 2010 - 01:47 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Well, of course any bad boss would do that. Try to cut down on the fun his employees have.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do you have any proof of this ridiculous assumption?

Read the various articles on IGN about this douche bag, he even stated he would increase the price of games by tenfold if it were up to him.

More proof that capitalism destroys people.

Yeah, but we were not talking about capitalism. The statement was that this guy does not care about video games.

[XfStef]

well sometimes dear Miller people need to be told the truth



trying to explain to someone a murder will not change the fact that someone died because you can't tell all the details of bring up every piece of evidence



and in our exponentially paced world, no one has time for debates

and like it or not ... people like that use the " I Think So approach and the I Don't Need To Back Up My Statements About Other People's Lives tactic.

" actually run these companies

that's why devs make horrific mistakes, because they aren't given any other choice



our society may be run in a democratic way, but corporations are most certainly NOT

[newcomplex]

My Advice to you losers.

Get a Job. Video game developers do not exist in a vacuum.    It is in fact possible to care about the intergrity of your product and the bottom line.   

"Hating" companys who, in the grand scheme, make no ethical slight other then running a tight ship in managing their entertainment sector, when compared to grafters and the lke, is laughable.

Bobby Koktik may sound like a Douche-bag, but I guarentee you 99% of the major stockholders share similar opinions.    His only problem is he doesn't care enough to pretend to care .

Its the society we live in.    Move to Iran if it bothers you that much, or go start a revolution, we haven't had one of those in a while.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 01:55 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yeah, but we were not talking about capitalism. The statement was that this guy does not care about video games.

That one was just random. Link to full article here about him hating video games : http://www.gamespot....ws/6226758.html

1. After they realized that Brutal Legend wasn't something like Guitar
Hero they refused to fund any more money on it.  When they dropped it
EA decided to pick it up.

2. After EA picked it up and Brutal Legend started getting heavy attention, Activision attempted to sue Double Fine Studio.

3.Bobby Kotick couldn't care less about you.  At all.  The only thing he cares about less than videogames is you

[Bryy_Miller]

XfStef: I was talking to you. Not some corporate suit. I was asking you to explain your statement that there is nobody creative in EA. Something of which you not only have not done, but you have also shown yourself to be nobody interested in doing anything but ranting about how EA is evil because they are.



Chaos: Being a bad boss does not equal trying to destroy video games.

[XfStef]

yoomazir wrote...

If tomorrow EA & Bioware found that making a Mass Effect Guitar hero/Rockband game could sell 20 millions copies then you can be sure that they will do it and scrap ME3-4-5-6.

damn it ! don't give the basterds any more of these ideas !!!

and miller... the guy is d ckhead BECAUSE of capitalism... money motivates people
it makes people steal, kill, rape, make awful games

[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...

My Advice to you losers.

Get a Job. Video game developers do not exist in a vacuum.

Yeah because discussing why some companies are complete douchebags means that we are losers and don't have a job.

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yeah, but we were not talking about capitalism. The statement was that this guy does not care about video games.

That one was just random. Link to full article here about him hating video games : http://www.gamespot....ws/6226758.html

1. After they realized that Brutal Legend wasn't something like Guitar
Hero they refused to fund any more money on it.  When they dropped it
EA decided to pick it up.

2. After EA picked it up and Brutal Legend started getting heavy attention, Activision attempted to sue Double Fine Studio.

3.Bobby Kotick couldn't care less about you.  At all.  The only thing he cares about less than videogames is you.

I know Kotick doesn't give a **** about the person EA sells to. I'm not debating that. But just because someone is a capitalist and a bad businessman does not mean that he is trying to destroy his industry. If we stop buying, he is out of a job.

XfStef wrote...

and miller... the guy is d ckhead BECAUSE of capitalism... 

Hello, I'm not an idiot.

[XfStef]

miller do you need me to start mentioning every single ea title in the last decade and do a short analysis if it was creative or not ?



the result would look like this... 90% creativity came from games who ea bought or published

....5% from dlc

....5% from ea BEFORE buying or publishing someone else's work

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yeah, but we were not talking about capitalism. The statement was that this guy does not care about video games.

That one was just random. Link to full article here about him hating video games : http://www.gamespot....ws/6226758.html

1. After they realized that Brutal Legend wasn't something like Guitar
Hero they refused to fund any more money on it.  When they dropped it
EA decided to pick it up.

2. After EA picked it up and Brutal Legend started getting heavy attention, Activision attempted to sue Double Fine Studio.

3.Bobby Kotick couldn't care less about you.  At all.  The only thing he cares about less than videogames is you.

I know Kotick doesn't give a **** about the person EA sells to. I'm not debating that. But just because someone is a capitalist and a bad businessman does not mean that he is trying to destroy his industry. If we stop buying, he is out of a job.

XfStef wrote...

and miller... the guy is d ckhead BECAUSE of capitalism... 

Hello, I'm not an idiot.

Was i the one arguing that he wants to destroy the industry? No. I was pointing the simple fact that activion is far worse than EA could ever hope to be professionally and that kotick is a capitalist pig.

[yoomazir]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

yoomazir wrote...


If tomorrow EA & Bioware found that making a Mass Effect Guitar hero/Rockband game could sell 20 millions copies then you can be sure that they will do it and scrap ME3-4-5-6.
.

Riccilietto hasn't been directing EA in the short-term oversaturation generic factory that EA was in the 90's and early 00's (and in which Kotick has taken Activision).

Roccilietto has directed EA in a long-term general quality-increase orientation.

Hell, the latest iterations of the sports franchises have seen nice strides in quality increases past just updating the roster.

Hey I'm not saying he's doing it wrong,like I said in a previous post, EA earned my respect with Mirror's Edge & Dead Space.

[Bryy_Miller]

XF: What are you talking about? I've brought up nothing about who is creative or not.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XfStef: I was talking to you. Not some corporate suit. I was asking you to explain your statement that there is nobody creative in EA. Something of which you not only have not done, but you have also shown yourself to be nobody interested in doing anything but ranting about how EA is evil because they are.

Chaos: Being a bad boss does not equal trying to destroy video games.

If he doesn't care about the people who make the games, what makes you think he gives a rats ass about the  games or the gamers?

Because he likes making money, maybe? You are mistaking my skepticism of your original comment as defense of Kotick as a businessman, I think.

[newcomplex]

also, since you people care about it so much, heres good ol intarwebs hero Bobby making gamers feel bad about their existence

http://www.gamespot....ws/6226758.html

Honestly, the fact people get angry about this is kind of hilarious, all it shows is Bobby's lack of proffesionalism in dealing with the press. Which in some circles, is regarded as a good thing for CEOs, as it makes them seem more human .

That being said, most of the people I know in the game industry all all affable people who enjoy making games.    And making money.    Who the **** doesn't enjoy making money?    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:04 .