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[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XF: What are you talking about? I've brought up nothing about who is creative or not.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XfStef: I was talking to you. Not some corporate suit. I was asking you to explain your statement that there is nobody creative in EA. Something of which you not only have not done, but you have also shown yourself to be nobody interested in doing anything but ranting about how EA is evil because they are.

Chaos: Being a bad boss does not equal trying to destroy video games.

If he doesn't care about the people who make the games, what makes you think he gives a rats ass about the  games or the gamers?

Because he likes making money, maybe? You are mistaking my skepticism of your original comment as defense of Kotick as a businessman, I think.

You are deluded, he doesn't care about the damn games, he cares about making money.

[XfStef]

I wasn't talking about Kotick, I couldn't care less about him, since he's not the only deushe in the industry

There was a debate earlier about creativity within EA and you asked me for proof behind my claims



Anyway, discussing this on a forum whon't solve a damn thing, and would only irk the mods so give some people a couple of bans for "trashtalking" , but I am happy that I'm not the only one seeing how these companies are starting to transform into manipulative b tches... brainwashing the youth and trying to impose factory like productivity standards on live human beeing that should be creative, not milked for ideas and then sacked when the next guys have a better game coming out

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yeah, but we were not talking about capitalism. The statement was that this guy does not care about video games.

That one was just random. Link to full article here about him hating video games : http://www.gamespot....ws/6226758.html

1. After they realized that Brutal Legend wasn't something like Guitar
Hero they refused to fund any more money on it.  When they dropped it
EA decided to pick it up.

2. After EA picked it up and Brutal Legend started getting heavy attention, Activision attempted to sue Double Fine Studio.

3.Bobby Kotick couldn't care less about you.  At all.  The only thing he cares about less than videogames is you.

I know Kotick doesn't give a **** about the person EA sells to. I'm not debating that. But just because someone is a capitalist and a bad businessman does not mean that he is trying to destroy his industry. If we stop buying, he is out of a job.

XfStef wrote...

and miller... the guy is d ckhead BECAUSE of capitalism... 

Hello, I'm not an idiot.

Was i the one arguing that he wants to destroy the industry? No. I was pointing the simple fact that activion is far worse than EA could ever hope to be professionally and that kotick is a capitalist pig.

... ok.... but come on, you replied to my reply to an entirely different conversation. Don't get eMad at me because you came into the conversation thinking it was about something else.

[newcomplex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XF: What are you talking about? I've brought up nothing about who is creative or not.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XfStef: I was talking to you. Not some corporate suit. I was asking you to explain your statement that there is nobody creative in EA. Something of which you not only have not done, but you have also shown yourself to be nobody interested in doing anything but ranting about how EA is evil because they are.

Chaos: Being a bad boss does not equal trying to destroy video games.

If he doesn't care about the people who make the games, what makes you think he gives a rats ass about the  games or the gamers?

Because he likes making money, maybe? You are mistaking my skepticism of your original comment as defense of Kotick as a businessman, I think.

You are deluded, he doesn't care about the damn games, he cares about making money.

Because a part of Activisions shareholders board, CEO no less, and it is his legal obligation to maximize profit.

Honestly, as a gamer, the CEO's decisions will not be effecting you that much to get worked up about it.    Did you know Activision initially responded to IW's proposition to move COD out of world war 2, and out of the PC platform into consoles with skepticism?    

If something bad goes down in a game you enjoy, I would fault the lead producers and the developers for the fault.    Its their job to ensure their game is enjoyable, and to deal with constraints given to them by their publisher.    Games that are "rushed" into crappiness aren't rushed because some publisher decided to go SHIP GAME ON MONDAY, I NEED MONEY FOR A FERRARI, their given deadlines well in advance, its the lead producers job to ensure they meet them, and to know whether extensions for the deadline are viable.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[newcomplex]

XfStef wrote...

I wasn't talking about Kotick, I couldn't care less about him, since he's not the only deushe in the industry
There was a debate earlier about creativity within EA and you asked me for proof behind my claims

Anyway, discussing this on a forum whon't solve a damn thing, and would only irk the mods so give some people a couple of bans for "trashtalking" , but I am happy that I'm not the only one seeing how these companies are starting to transform into manipulative b tches... brainwashing the youth and trying to impose factory like productivity standards on live human beeing that should be creative, not milked for ideas and then sacked when the next guys have a better game coming out

wut?

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XF: What are you talking about? I've brought up nothing about who is creative or not.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

XfStef: I was talking to you. Not some corporate suit. I was asking you to explain your statement that there is nobody creative in EA. Something of which you not only have not done, but you have also shown yourself to be nobody interested in doing anything but ranting about how EA is evil because they are.

Chaos: Being a bad boss does not equal trying to destroy video games.

If he doesn't care about the people who make the games, what makes you think he gives a rats ass about the  games or the gamers?

Because he likes making money, maybe? You are mistaking my skepticism of your original comment as defense of Kotick as a businessman, I think.

You are deluded, he doesn't care about the damn games, he cares about making money.

When did I ever say otherwise?

XfStef wrote...

There was a debate earlier about creativity within EA and you asked me for proof behind my claims

And what you gave me were your opinions. That's not proof. Those are just your thoughts on the matter. Saying that games are less creative is not a smoking gun. You need to give me something substantial, such as what Chaos did.

[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...


Because a part of Activisions shareholders board, CEO no less, and it is his legal obligation to maximize profit.

Honestly, as a gamer, the CEO's decisions will not be effecting you that much to get worked up about it.    Did you know Activision initially responded to IW's proposition to move COD out of world war 2, and out of the PC platform into consoles with skepticism?    

O Rly? How about jacking up the price of MW2 pc? How about making plans for a pay to play monthly basis for the next call of duty online across all platforms to maximise profit?

Nobody said what he  was doing is illegal, we, are simply pointing out the capitalist scum that he is.

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Because a part of Activisions shareholders board, CEO no less, and it is his legal obligation to maximize profit.

Honestly, as a gamer, the CEO's decisions will not be effecting you that much to get worked up about it.    Did you know Activision initially responded to IW's proposition to move COD out of world war 2, and out of the PC platform into consoles with skepticism?    

O Rly? How about jacking up the price of MW2 pc? How about making plans for a pay to play monthly basis for the next call of duty online across all platforms to maximise profit?

Nobody said what he  was doing is illegal, we, are simply pointing out the capitalist scum that he is.

Yes, okay, I get you are upset that he is messing with your games, but don't you think you're being a little too obsessive about it?

[The Real Him]

XfStef wrote...

well sometimes dear Miller people need to be told the truth

trying to explain to someone a murder will not change the fact that someone died because you can't tell all the details of bring up every piece of evidence

and in our exponentially paced world, no one has time for debates
and like it or not ... people like that use the " I Think So approach and the I Don't Need To Back Up My Statements About Other People's Lives tactic.
" actually run these companies
that's why devs make horrific mistakes, because they aren't given any other choice

our society may be run in a democratic way, but corporations are most certainly NOT

Opposing corporations to democracy is ironic, as history shows us that the modern concept of democracy proceeds from corporates structure and ideology (Sharehoulders = voters, Clients = right of property, Chairman : presidents, Open competition = Meritocratic society versus society based on nobility rights by birth, etc).

And that in fact means : democracy can be bad.

Only and old autocratic regime, based on priviledges, could afford to pay artists, lets say game devs, to produce costly games without searching profits, and aiming for the art, not the money.

From someone who is in one of the top Business Schools in europe, I can say however that EA is more about : Strategy, Business Plans, Marketing, Communication then making video games indeed. I have had leaders of the entertainment market coming to make speeches, and they were not speaking about their passion for music/cinema/video games. They were proud about their accounting sheet.

A couragous mind however will face the obvious, they are extremely successfull in achieving their goal : making money.

That is way, even though I despise them, hate the way they laugh at artistical considerations (trust in my studies I'm confronted to that every day), I will try not brag to loud about it.

And since I'm on this forum, that means I am GUILTY.

And so are all of you.

Modifié par The Real Him, 14 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[newcomplex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Because a part of Activisions shareholders board, CEO no less, and it is his legal obligation to maximize profit.

Honestly, as a gamer, the CEO's decisions will not be effecting you that much to get worked up about it.    Did you know Activision initially responded to IW's proposition to move COD out of world war 2, and out of the PC platform into consoles with skepticism?    

O Rly? How about jacking up the price of MW2 pc? How about making plans for a pay to play monthly basis for the next call of duty online across all platforms to maximise profit?

Nobody said what he  was doing is illegal, we, are simply pointing out the capitalist scum that he is.

Well obviously pricing details are left to the publisher.   I was more coming from a design standpoint.    Honestly, don't worry about it.    Your working yourself up over an issue you have no control over, and is intended to be recreational.    I didn't buy MW2, it was a POS.       Don't worry about it, BF:BC2 is coming out, and gawd that game looks awesome.

And dedicated servers wewt.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[Bryy_Miller]

XfStef wrote...

 brainwashing the youth

... what? Okay, now you've just gone into crazy-town.

and trying to impose factory like productivity standards on live human beeing that should be creative, not milked for ideas and then sacked when the next guys have a better game coming out

Boy, are you in for a treat when you get out into the real world after college. 

[The Real Him]

The Real Him wrote...

XfStef wrote...

well sometimes dear Miller people need to be told the truth

trying to explain to someone a murder will not change the fact that someone died because you can't tell all the details of bring up every piece of evidence

and in our exponentially paced world, no one has time for debates
and like it or not ... people like that use the " I Think So approach and the I Don't Need To Back Up My Statements About Other People's Lives tactic.
" actually run these companies
that's why devs make horrific mistakes, because they aren't given any other choice

our society may be run in a democratic way, but corporations are most certainly NOT

Opposing corporations to democracy is ironic, as history shows us that the modern concept of democracy proceeds from corporates structure and ideology (Sharehoulders = voters, Clients = right of property, Chairman : presidents, Open competition = Meritocratic society versus society based on nobility rights by birth, etc).

And that in fact means : democracy can be bad.

Only and old autocratic regime, based on priviledges, could afford to pay artists, lets say game devs, to produce costly games without searching profits, and aiming for the art, not the money.

From someone who is in one of the top Business Schools in europe, I can say however that EA is more about : Strategy, Business Plans, Marketing, Communication then video games indeed. I have got exposee on Ubisoft commercial success, on leaders of the entertainment market that came to conferences. And they weren't talking about their passion for music/cinema/whatever.

A couragous mind however will face the obvious, they are extremely successfull in achieving their goal : making money.

That is way, even though I despise them, hate the way they laugh at artistical considerations (trust in my studies I'm confronted to that every day), I will try not brad to loud.

Because since I'm on this forum, that means I am GUILTY.

And so are all of you.

[The Real Him]

double psot sorry

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yes, okay, I get you are upset that he is messing with your games, but don't you think you're being a little too obsessive about it?

Jesus christ how am i obsessive about it? You asked for proof to prove koticks douchebagery, i give it and now you accuse me of being obsessive?

newcomplex wrote...


Well obviously pricing details
are left to the publisher.   I was more coming from a design
standpoint.    Honestly, don't worry about it.    Your working yourself
up over an issue you have no control over, and is intended to be
recreational.    I didn't buy MW2, it was a POS.       Don't worry
about it, BF:BC2 is coming out, and gawd that game looks awesome.

And
dedicated servers wewt.    

And the publisher is activision
being led by kotick? And how am i working myself up over one issue? I
still bought the damn game, i didn't fly into a fit of  rage or did
anything stupid.

In fact people are complaining EA are
capitalist douchebags, i was simply proving them wrong by bringing out
kotick and activision.

But yeah, MW2 was a reptitive POS that is
identical to earlier COD titles, fun for a while but boring after that,
nothing but pew pew pew. BC2 ftw.

[newcomplex]

Also, where the **** did you hear that MW3 will have subscription? Seems like random rumor then substantial fact.

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...



Yes, okay, I get you are upset that he is messing with your games, but don't you think you're being a little too obsessive about it?

You asked for proof to prove koticks douchebagery

... no. I didn't ask for that at all. I asked why you guys thought he was trying to destroy video games. What you guys gave me was him being a simple, run-of-the-mill businessman. A bad one, but a boss just the same.  

Also, are you seriously getting upset over me telling you not to get upset?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 14 février 2010 - 02:23 .

[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...

Also, where the **** did you hear that MW3 will have subscription? Seems like random rumor then substantial fact.

You must never visit IGN then.

It was hinted here : http://xbox360.ign.c.../1068414p1.html

[Phaedra Sanguine]

I don't know, EA isn't really on my bad side anymore. My sights are more focused on the sh**** grin of what's-his-face, Activision CEO. You know, the guy who blatantly admitted that he both hates gamers and developers.

[newcomplex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
 And the publisher is activision
being led by kotick? And how am i working myself up over one issue? I
still bought the damn game, i didn't fly into a fit of  rage or did
anything stupid.

In fact people are complaining EA are
capitalist douchebags, i was simply proving them wrong by bringing out
kotick and activision.

But yeah, MW2 was a reptitive POS that is
identical to earlier COD titles, fun for a while but boring after that,
nothing but pew pew pew. BC2 ftw.

If you still bought the game, what is the problem here?    You obviously thought that MW2 justified its cost.    I didn't, so I didn't buy the game.   You did probably knowing well in advance what you were buying, and then you ****?

I DONT SEE PROBLEM HERE

EXPLAIN TO ME

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:25 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Pax, you need to read the last page and a half.

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...


... no. I didn't ask for that at all. I asked why you guys thought he was trying to destroy video games. What you guys gave me was him being a simple, run-of-the-mill businessman. A bad one, but a boss just the same.  

Also, are you seriously getting upset over me telling you not to get upset?

Yet you asked me to prove something i never even claimed to begin with. And no, i am not "upset" but rather annoyed.

If making 2 or 3 posts of how kotick is a douchebag is considered obsessive then it just shows how naive you really are.

[newcomplex]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Pax, you need to read the last page and a half.

You need to chill out.

EA buys studios that weren't publically owned.    The only way that can happen is if the developers accepted the offer (probably millions of dollars)

Developers make ****ty game

EA sacs them.

I mean, pandemic made that crappy **** game.    I honestly have no clue what we can fault EA here for.    The missions were repetitive to the point of nauseum, level design was terrible, and thats ignoring the glaring bugs.       That being said, I don't mean to disrespect the people at Pandemic, I'm sure they've got talented people working their.    But the point is, their end product was crap.   

We should stop using hate for publishers and developers.     We shouldn't hate corperations unless we've been, idk, poisoned or layed off by them.    Its a hyperbole.    How about "trust" and "distrust".    I "distrust" Activision.    I kind of trust EA, but only because they give me for DLC's, and scrapped the DRM.     

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[Bryy_Miller]

newcomplex wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Pax, you need to read the last page and a half.

You need to chill out. 

He was talking about something that we were on about, so I thought I'd inform him we were on the topic.