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[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...



If you still bought the game, what is the problem here?  

So i can't buy the game and criticise the publishers? Then what the hell are the vast majority of ME2 players doing? Buying a game that is published by EA and then bashing them?

So, If i live in a country, it means i am ok with the government? Wow by your logic every north korean citizen must love their ruthless dictator with all their heart willingly.

The real question is: What the hell is your problem?

newcomplex wrote...
  You obviously thought that MW2 justified its cost.    I didn't, so I didn't buy the game.   You did probably knowing well in advance what you were buying, and then you ****?

So? I simply pointed out that i didn't support the idea of activision jacking up the prices, that doesn't mean i can't buy it simply to play the game right?

[newcomplex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

newcomplex wrote...



If you still bought the game, what is the problem here?  

So i can't buy the game and criticise the publishers? Then what the hell are the vast majority of ME2 players doing? Buying a game that is published by EA and then bashing them?

So, If i live in a country, it means i am ok with the government? Wow by your logic every north korean citizen must love their ruthless dictator with all their heart willingly.

The real question is: What the hell is your problem?

newcomplex wrote...
  You obviously thought that MW2 justified its cost.    I didn't, so I didn't buy the game.   You did probably knowing well in advance what you were buying, and then you ****?

So? I simply pointed out that i didn't support the idea of activision jacking up the prices, that doesn't mean i can't buy it simply to play the game right?

Whether you support it means ****.

Its whether you buy it that counts.    

Don't get me wrong.   Providing feedback and critiscism to good games are how how great games are made.    Critisizing pricing and continueing to buy it means nothing.    Theirs generally pretty clear if a developer is going to listen to you or not.    Its clear bioware is open to gameplay and plot structure criticism, so I do so in hopes of playing a better ME3, as well as one more suited towards my tastes.   And its kinda fun.    Critisizing Activision on its cost and continueing to buy it does nohing.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:34 .

[XfStef]

The Real Him wrote...

XfStef wrote...

well sometimes dear Miller people need to be told the truth

trying to explain to someone a murder will not change the fact that someone died because you can't tell all the details of bring up every piece of evidence

and in our exponentially paced world, no one has time for debates
and like it or not ... people like that use the " I Think So approach and the I Don't Need To Back Up My Statements About Other People's Lives tactic.
" actually run these companies
that's why devs make horrific mistakes, because they aren't given any other choice

our society may be run in a democratic way, but corporations are most certainly NOT

Opposing corporations to democracy is ironic, as history shows us that the modern concept of democracy proceeds from corporates structure and ideology (Sharehoulders = voters, Clients = right of property, Chairman : presidents, Open competition = Meritocratic society versus society based on nobility rights by birth, etc).

And that in fact means : democracy can be bad.

Only and old autocratic regime, based on priviledges, could afford to pay artists, lets say game devs, to produce costly games without searching profits, and aiming for the art, not the money.

From someone who is in one of the top Business Schools in europe, I can say however that EA is more about : Strategy, Business Plans, Marketing, Communication then making video games indeed. I have had leaders of the entertainment market coming to make speeches, and they were not speaking about their passion for music/cinema/video games. They were proud about their accounting sheet.

A couragous mind however will face the obvious, they are extremely successfull in achieving their goal : making money.

That is way, even though I despise them, hate the way they laugh at artistical considerations (trust in my studies I'm confronted to that every day), I will try not brag to loud about it.

And since I'm on this forum, that means I am GUILTY.

And so are all of you.

very nicely put

Miller they are brainwashing us, don't kid yourself that they aren't or that you for some reason are immune to it.
Stop for a moment and take a look at what car you drive, ask yourself why, what clothes you wear... and so on

I'm not saying that beeing brainwashed is automatically evil, but they usually use it to gain new buyers. That's why they do these obvious remakes that have 0 originality like DA:O but use old rpg systems and lore. Don't kid yourself, the industry reached it's pinnacle a couple of years ago, making nicer looking remakes is all that they do today. These tycoons are building their future financial income by making games that are considerably easier, more violent and with more sex scenes especially for the youth. I mean we've all been there, we can all remember when we first played Erotic pinnball or Tomb Raider, or countless other crappy games because they had some bo bs and a ses in them.

The real art in games like ME2 or DA:O or WoW.... SWTOR... is how they manage to hook the young people to them and also provide a minimum gaming standard for the vets

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


... no. I didn't ask for that at all. I asked why you guys thought he was trying to destroy video games. What you guys gave me was him being a simple, run-of-the-mill businessman. A bad one, but a boss just the same.  

Also, are you seriously getting upset over me telling you not to get upset?

Yet you asked me to prove something i never even claimed to begin with. And no, i am not "upset" but rather annoyed.

If making 2 or 3 posts of how kotick is a douchebag is considered obsessive then it just shows how naive you really are.

*facepalm*
You can't enter into a pre-existing conversation and then get mad at someone for assuming you were trying to be a part of it if you did not make any mention that you were in a different conversation entirely. 

I'm calling you obsessive because you seem amazingly intent on making a big deal out of Kotick's business ethics as if they pertain to you.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

And, despite the hyperbole, I actually provided some proof that he at least doesn't give a rats ass about the gaming culture.

Which I accepted and thanked you for. Of course he doesn't care about the culture. 

[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...


Whether you support it means ****.

Its whether you buy it that counts.    

Oh get off your damn high horse already, just because i buy something i can't criticise the publishers for jacking up the prices?
So because i buy a product i have to 100% suck up to who ever published the game, kneel down and kiss their ass?

You sound like a bloody Kim jong il sympathizer.

[newcomplex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Whether you support it means ****.

Its whether you buy it that counts.    

Oh get off your damn high horse already, just because i buy something i can't criticise the publishers for jacking up the prices?
So because i buy a product i have to 100% suck up to who ever published the game, kneel down and kiss their ass?

You sound like a bloody Kim jong il sympathizer.

yeah basically.    Ignoring the hyperbole.    Providing criticism is done under the pretense of them actually caring.    If they don't, stop.    (providing criticism or buying it)

Of course, this is in its applications to video games.    Obviously, if you buy a vacuum cleaner, and it doesn't work, you have a right to ****.    Their are no clear cut definitions of how "well" a piece of media works, so as long as the games disc exists within the box, anything goes.     

I mean, I buy bioware games because in they honestly take critiscism at face value, for the most part, except for rare exceptions (*cough* helmet toggle *cough*), and make a honest attempt at improving it.     IW clearly does not.    So I don't do business with them.   Simple as that.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[Bryy_Miller]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Whether you support it means ****.

Its whether you buy it that counts.    

Oh get off your damn high horse already, just because i buy something i can't criticise the publishers for jacking up the prices?
So because i buy a product i have to 100% suck up to who ever published the game, kneel down and kiss their ass?

That's not what he said at all. He was talking about the price-complaining only. He wasn't talking about laying down and letting EA run over you.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 14 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...



You can't enter into a pre-existing conversation and then get mad at someone for assuming you were trying to be a part of it if you did not make any mention that you were in a different conversation entirely.

Don't be a smartass, i was having a conversation with that guy first.

You were the one entering the "pre existing" conversation demanding proof.

Bryy_Miller wrote...
I'm calling you obsessive because you seem amazingly intent on making a big deal out of Kotick's business ethics as if they pertain to you.

Right because stating my opinions which numbered in only 3-5 sentences means i am obsessive over koticks buisness ethics.

If that means i am obsessive i wonder what the hell are those people that were rioting in thailand over politics and what are those insane twilight fans drooling over robin pattinson.

Get a grip.

[XfStef]

anyway, this is getting pretty old, pretty fast... and I'm too tired for it right now



bottom line is... people do hate EA, and Activision, and mostly any other Corporation that uses people, small time companies to build their monetary empires...



good night

[Bryy_Miller]

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...

[/quote]If that means i am obsessive i wonder what the hell are those people that were rioting in thailand over politics and what are those insane twilight fans drooling over robin pattinson.

Get a grip.

[/quote]

You have a rather odd habit of over-exaggerating the situation.

[hex23]

I think "ME2" is much better than "ME1". I'm not a teenager, I don't play "Modern Warfare 2" or "Gears Of War", I'm 33 years old and been playing games since "Pong".

EA's negative rep among gamers is probably justified, and I'd even go as far as saying every complaint in this thread aimed at them is 90% accurate.

Having said that though, I still feel like some people are taking their frustration with "ME2" not being the game they wanted it to be, and blaming EA for it. When honestly we have no idea if EA had anything to do with it, and in an alternate reality where Bioware wasn't bought out we might still have the exact same game.

But that's not as interesting as conspiracy theories where EA ruins the "Mass Effect" franchise, so here we are. It's much more exciting to assume EA messed it up or Bioware sold out than to admit something mundane like Bioware 100% on their own made a product you don't like.

This is just my two cents.

Modifié par hex23, 14 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[SithLordExarKun]

newcomplex wrote...


yeah basically.    Ignoring the hyperbole.    Providing criticism is done under the pretense of them actually caring.    If they don't, stop.    (providing criticism or buying it)

Of course, this is in its applications to video games.    Obviously, if you buy a vacuum cleaner, and it doesn't work, you have a right to ****.    Their are no clear cut definitions of how "well" a piece of media works, so as long as the games disc exists within the box, anything goes.     

Theres nothing wrong with criticising the CEO's motivations.

There is absolutely no law saying you cannot do so

newcomplex wrote...
  
Critisizing Activision on its cost and continueing to buy it does
nohing.    

 Nobody said it will do anything. So just because i buy one game i cannot critisice the CEO's motivations? Tell me which great philosopher made this a law?

Bryy_Miller wrote...



You have a rather odd habit of over-exaggerating the situation.

Says the one "over-exagerating" my supposed "obsessiveness".

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 14 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Some people are EA conspiracy theorists who think they meddle in everything a developer does. Maybe they did it in the past, but as far as I can tell they don't seem to have forced anything down BioWare's throat. Of course, the nutty people will continue to insist that EA is behind every little change or every single decision BioWare makes anyway.

[Bryy_Miller]

Sith, why does it matter to you if he is a bad businessman if you keep buying EA-made games?

[newcomplex]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Sith, why does it matter to you if he is a bad businessman if you keep buying EA-made games?

You mean Activision.

But yeah lol.    Considering his motivations are to "make money without violating federal laws", which is more then I can say about a lot of other CEOs lol.      

I mean, Activision treats its workers actually pretty fairly.    Their are game companies that make great games, but really treat their employees like ****, especially the people on the lower end of the spectrum like the junior programmers or the testers.

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[XfStef]

hex23 wrote...

I think "ME2" is much better than "ME1". I'm not a teenager, I don't play "Modern Warfare 2" or "Gears Of War", I'm 33 years old and been playing games since "Pong".

EA's negative rep among gamers is probably justified, and I'd even go as far as saying every complaint in this thread aimed at them is 90% accurate.

Having said that though, I still feel like some people are taking their frustration with "ME2" not being the game they wanted it to be, and blaming EA for it. When honestly we have no idea if EA had anything to do with it, and in an alternate reality where Bioware wasn't bought out we might still have the exact same game.

But that's not as interesting as conspiracy theories where EA ruins the "Mass Effect" franchise, so here we are. It's much more exciting to assume EA messed it up or Bioware sold out than to admit something mundane like Bioware 100% on their own made a product you don't like.

This is just my two cents.

you lost me with the alternate reality  but anyway, they might have just screwed up the game on their own, although.... too many titles happened to turn out crappy immediately after their companies got bought by EA in the past to make this just another coincidence

EA is like a sleezy pr agent, that takes a 16 yo teen and transforms her in a **** y spoiled wh re for everyone to enjoy

[Bryy_Miller]

Yeach, Activision, sorry. Got my wires crossed.

[SithLordExarKun]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Sith, why does it matter to you if he is a bad businessman if you keep buying EA-made games?

I'm sorry when did kotick ever own EA? Or where did i bash EA? Oops no,i was bashing activision.

How does buying one single game after bashing kotick mean i keep buying Acti-made games?

[hex23]

XfStef wrote...
you lost me with the alternate reality  but anyway, they might have just screwed up the game on their own, although.... too many titles happened to turn out crappy immediately after their companies got bought by EA in the past to make this just another coincidence

EA is like a sleezy pr agent, that takes a 16 yo teen and transforms her in a **** y spoiled wh re for everyone to enjoy

That's all fine and well but I like I said personally I think "ME2" is 1000x better than "ME1".

So while what you're saying might be true....let's be generous and say 99% of the time....it's not true this time.

[newcomplex]

Anyway, EA OKed ME for development (quite the risk, given its premise). Which is like my favorite game ever. So

GOGOGOGO ME2

And I don't mean Mass Effect. I mean the other ME .    The one that involves Parkour and jumping off buildings.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 14 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[DeOmegus]

People the video gaming market is a business, of coarse money is a pivotal force in its drive. With deeper pockets you get greater content, better graphics, newer talent. Yes maybe small budget games contain a more intriguing story but that's also all they have to offer...I would gladly give up a little bit plot for a more well rounded experience. Its not like BioWare is losing any part of themselves to EA, in many ways they have much to gain. Take for example the social network I am now vocalizing my opinion or the Cerberus Network allowing direct connection to the Microsoft feature upload servers. They are still the same great team and I will be a loyal fan for quite some time to come.

[JigPig]

Idiots who nothing of the subject always jump on the hate EA Coincidence? I think not.

[MassEffect762]

I don't know enough about EA to care about them either way, I have few questions myself though.



Does EA provide funding for Biowares work, say ME2?

If so how much funding?



Is it possible that funding for said work played a factor however big or small with the overall quality or quantity of ME2?