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Bioshock 2 vs. Mass Effect 2


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Odd Hermit

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I understand these are games of a different style, but they have some things in common, both involve hacking/tech, 'biotics', and shooter elements and I feel like some comparisons are a bit unfair as Bioshock is more focused on combat and it's first person rather than third, but some are very valid comparisons anyway.


Weapons -
In Bioshock 2 weapons are more satisfying to use, and there's a more interesting variety. Each weapon has 3 ammo types and the differences between them all are more defined.
Various upgrades change weapons in unique ways through weapon upgrades as well as tonics. Your drill can reflect gunshots, your shotgun can give off electric shocks, your rivets can ignite enemies, your machine gun rounds can be made so penetrating they go through enemies and ricochet, etc. etc. Much more interesting than the upgrade system of ME 2 in which you mainly just increase damage.
Ammo types include basics like armor piercing and anti personel, to things like spear and rivet traps, proximity mines, heat seaking missiles, and so on.


Hacking / Tech -
Bioshock has a great system for hacking, and it feels like less of a chore than in ME 2. With biotics, you can make hacking some things easier by freezing them. With a hack tool, you can shoot a wire to a security camera to hack it from a distance. 
Security cameras, hostile turrets and bots all make Bioshock's hacking system more integrated and involved in the game than ME 2's mainly mini-game style hacking and the AI hack of engineer/sentinel/infilitrator which is, though effective enough, very simple in comparison.
Your hack tool has 3 'ammo' types - one for remote hacking manually, one for an automatic hack that can be used to hack quickly in tense situations, and the third actually summons your own little mini turret that will fire at enemies.

Biotics -
Bioshock has a more satisfying biotic system. The limitations are less restrictive, the bio abilities(aka plasmids) can be more fluidly used in combat, and they are very fun to use and can affect the environment(although not amazing it's still neat lighting gas on fire, melting ice, electricuting enemies in water. You can also use telekinesis to throw things at enemies.
Bio abilities are slightly less redundant and more interractive with eachother - you can set traps, you can use a sort of ghost to scout out areas and use other biotics on enemies before returning to your body, you can hypnotize enemies to attack eachother, summon a decoy of yourself you can freeze, burn, electricute enemies or send swarms of insects at them. 
Each ability upgrades to gain improved functions - longer durations, AoE, as well as more damage or unique utility like allowing your scout ghost to hack, your decoy to reflect damage, your traps to be infused with elemental attacks and so on. Your telekinesis can even throw weaker enemies when fully upgraded. :D


Upgrades/'Talents' -
Bioshock has a more open system, there are no talents but your character is very customizable via tonics and plasmids, being able to choose which abilities or passive improvements to take by spending adam. You can specialize in several different ways and they're all more interesting than gaining a simple +10-50% damage. Quiet your footsteps, increase your speed, improve your hacking, reduce the cost of bio abilities, make your drill freeze enemies, deal elemental damage when struck in combat, etc. Gaining adam to spend is also more fun than scanning planets or getting credits, and is very involved in the gameplay and story.

General combat -
Enemies in Bioshock use a far wider array of abilities. Bid Daddies will shoot rockets at you, summon mini turrets, charge you with their drill attack. Some enemies teleport, some will hurl heavy objects at you. For the most part all enemies in ME 2 do is shoot at you.
There is no cover system, but you can do a lot of line of sighting, laying traps, hacking security to your advantage, using decoys, etc. to avoid damage in more interesting ways. There's no regenerating suit, so you can't simply hide until you get full shields and health, and enemies wouldn't give you the luxury of doing so as they're not overly concerned with staying behind cover.


Bioshock 2 simply provides a far wider and more integrated variety of weapons, 'biotics', and tech as well as simply giving you more ways to approach and prepare for combat. Mass Effect definitely has more RPG elements, but as far as customization and combat go it could learn a lot from Bioshock. Not saying copy/paste bioshocks abilities, but I feel Mass Effect 3 could be amazing if they took simple steps toward providing more interesting combat and not worrying about making it too complex.

I've got 2-3 abilities I use in any regular basis in ME 2, and 2-3 guns. I have a pause button to switch.

In Bioshock 2, I have up to 7 weapons(I won't count camera), with 3 different ammo types to cycle through for 6 of them, and I have up to 8 biotics(plasmids) to switch through. With no pause button and no shared cooldown.

We can handle more buttons !
(no one likes console users anyway you don't need their money make ME 3 PC only)

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How many classes are there are in BioShock?

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How many story choices are in Bioshock?

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Gorn Kregore

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Who the hell compares Bioshock to Mass Effect?

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How many companion characters are there in Bioshock?

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Mmm.

I was considering giving BioShock 2 a chance, but decided to buy BioShock 1 off Direct2Drive since it's only $20.

I loved both ME1 and ME2. To death. Almost :P

But eh... I'm really having a hard time getting through BioShock. It's just so bleh. And .. bleh :D

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How much of Bioshock 1 imports over to Bioshock 2?

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I love BioShock 2. I think it's gameplay is a lot better than what is in Mass Effect 2. Still, story and characters matter more to me than that, and I think Mass Effect 2 is the better game.

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Who in blue hell compared bioshock 2 to mass effect 2?

My opinion? ME2 is superior despite the fact i just finished playing bioshock 2 yesterday.

Oh and the hacking was far too easy in bioshock 2.

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how many people do you save by blowing up a base? o wait, you try to escape and then get hell blown outa you when you reach the door to escape ship.

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How many differant environments do you go to in Bioshock 2? One?

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joejoe099 wrote...

how many people do you save by blowing up a base? o wait, you try to escape and then get hell blown outa you when you reach the door to escape ship.

I hadn't finished Bioshock 2 yet.Posted Image

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Veen130 wrote...

How many differant environments do you go to in Bioshock 2? One?

two.

My criticisms on bioshock 2 is that after playing the first one, rapture is far too familiar and lost its mystery which made the first game so great.

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Von Verrikan

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You have got to be joking. Who makes these kinds of comparisons?

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DaeJi

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Well... they do both have "2" in the name.

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Veen130 wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

how many people do you save by blowing up a base? o wait, you try to escape and then get hell blown outa you when you reach the door to escape ship.

I hadn't finished Bioshock 2 yet.Posted Image

sry, should've said spoilers Posted Image
but compairing 2 to 1? bioshock 1's story is more of a twist then 2

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Mass Effect 2 story to Bioshock 2 story... I mean really? Mass Effect 2 characters to Bioshock 2 characters... I mean really?



I just like the whole Sci-Fi universe thing better than an underground horror city where you adopt "Little Sisters" that call you Daddy. Like seriously?




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Mass Effect 2 story to Bioshock 2 story... I mean really? Mass Effect 2 characters to Bioshock 2 characters... I mean really?



I just like the whole Sci-Fi universe thing better than an underground horror city where you adopt "Little Sisters" that call you Daddy. Like seriously?




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joejoe099 wrote...

Veen130 wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

how many people do you save by blowing up a base? o wait, you try to escape and then get hell blown outa you when you reach the door to escape ship.

I hadn't finished Bioshock 2 yet.Posted Image

sry, should've said spoilers Posted Image
but compairing 2 to 1? bioshock 1's story is more of a twist then 2

Thats alright. I never played Bioshock 1 for the story and Im not playing Bioshock 2 for the story either.

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Odd Hermit wrote...


(no one likes console users anyway you don't need their money make ME 3 PC only)


That's childish.

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vdeity wrote...

Mmm.
I was considering giving BioShock 2 a chance, but decided to buy BioShock 1 off Direct2Drive since it's only $20.
I loved both ME1 and ME2. To death. Almost :P
But eh... I'm really having a hard time getting through BioShock. It's just so bleh. And .. bleh :D


did you just call bioshock bleh?  it is on par with ME1 and ME2 but by no sliver of a chance similar in gameplay.

vdeity, try and play the game when your a little bit older and higher minded, Bioshock is one of the most deep and engaging games ever but if you just wanted to get the philosphopical appeal out of it i reccomend reading Ayn Rand's "Atlas shrugged".

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-Zorph- wrote...

Mass Effect 2 story to Bioshock 2 story... I mean really? Mass Effect 2 characters to Bioshock 2 characters... I mean really?

I just like the whole Sci-Fi universe thing better than an underground horror city where you adopt "Little Sisters" that call you Daddy. Like seriously?


"I MEAN REALLY"

you apparently havent played the game and if by some slim chance you have, you cant your small brain wrapped around the enormous scope of the game

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Veen130 wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

Veen130 wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

how many people do you save by blowing up a base? o wait, you try to escape and then get hell blown outa you when you reach the door to escape ship.

I hadn't finished Bioshock 2 yet.Posted Image

sry, should've said spoilers Posted Image
but compairing 2 to 1? bioshock 1's story is more of a twist then 2

Thats alright. I never played Bioshock 1 for the story and Im not playing Bioshock 2 for the story either.


well play first, listen to radio guy who tells you wat to do, CAREFULLY, then when meet with so called main bad guy, thats major twist time, and made myself facepalm myself for not noticing

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Their similarities, the reasons I compare them, and consideration for the fact that ME 2 has a different focus are included in my original post.


Odd Hermit wrote...
both involve hacking/tech, 'biotics', and shooter elements ...
...
Mass Effect definitely has more RPG elements, but as far as customization and combat go it could learn a lot from Bioshock...


I'm not calling Bioshock 2 a better game, I'm merely pointing out that it handled combat and abilities better, and that ME 3 could be better if it took some notes on Bioshock 2 - along with keeping the things that made ME 2 great of course.

Greenhelm wrote...

Odd Hermit wrote...


(no one likes console users anyway you don't need their money make ME 3 PC only)


That's childish.

I was just joking...ish...
:D

Modifié par Odd Hermit, 14 février 2010 - 02:09 .


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Okay, so the games are similar in ways. Everything is similar in ways.