I personally just canceled my preorder. I have no real interest in playing a character that is largely disconnected from the original game. Continuity Bioware, ever heard of the term ? There is more to it than just story and even on that front, there are serious concerns. Way to go, invalidating your own design decisions when it comes to the role of DLC in a game.
DLC gone...Romances gone...Allies gone...
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#352
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:05
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i cant cancel my pre order so i guess i'll play it and will post my opinion on the expansion in here if anyone's interested in me doing that before they consider buying it
#353
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:06
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MaxQuartiroli wrote...
Well.. It seems like they found the way to displease most of the users (and I said MOST, not ALL.. don't attack me now...) with this xpac...
My only hope now, is that they would read what people are writing eveyday in this forum and that they will take this into consideration when they will have to make decisions for future games and expanions.
I'm not saying this game will not be good because we haven't played it, yet.. But I can say for sure that, however this game will be, it will not be what many of us wanted or hoped, and this is the truth...
The game probably will be very good; every time I watch the 1st Awakening trailer I get very excited. I cannot mention enough how fantastic the voice-acting is in this game. HOWEVER, knowing that the best elements of the game will not be an option is just too disappointing. Could they not have just included something really phenomenal such as: showing your Royal Wedding to Alistair/Anora (if you went that route) in the beginning of the game, with a bit of romance before you run off to do your duty? My epilogue ended with us having a lavish wedding 6 months later, Alistair showing everyone in Ferelden how much he loved his new bride ...blah..blah. Throw us a bone here, let us relish in our story a bit before sending us off to 'do our duty'. It really would have been nice to be able to have the 'kiss/sleep with' option with Ali at a few points during the game, instead of non-at-all. Very disappointing.
#354
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:08
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Shedevil, i will not buy it, aleast not for the outragous price they are asking but i very much would like to here youtr review.
#355
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:09
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ok i will either post it or send a message if no one else wants to hear my opinion until they have tried it themselves
#356
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:51
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there will be many people here who will write his opinion about this game... And I probably will be one of them...even if now I feel quite disappointed about all news whe heard...
#357
Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:52
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oh thats ok then i just will try to word it without spoiling it for others that want to play it but havent completed it then
#358
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:02
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To be honest... I will be one of the first to read people's opinion about this game here... 'cause I think in Europe game will be on sales few days after... So when I will buy the game I will probably had already known what BW reserved to me by your opinions... Sometimes to be not the first may be useful... 
#359
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:08
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true i like to see what others say first so if i miss things i can get them after i read about it
#360
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:44
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the best exhortation I can give is to vote with your dollars. I will not pre-order this-and will not purchase it at full price. I will not pirate it (nor will I advocate anyone else do so). Lest I be accused of rushing to judgement, let me simply state that I am basing my opinion off the information released so far. Should that information change and provide me something I desire I could quite easily be enticed to buy. That is the power that we, as cosumers, have.
I did not buy the origins game immediately either, I waited until feedback reached a crescendo and then went out and got it
I did not buy the origins game immediately either, I waited until feedback reached a crescendo and then went out and got it
#361
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:45
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Here's my problem with this expansion... The problem is the whole idea of making a mini-sequel to the game and expanding AFTER your main character has likely sacrificed themselves. What would make them think that it's a good idea to expand on the game after your character is dead?
In my opinion, they should have done it like Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, and added a ton of stuff into the middle of the game, while your main character is still alive.
When I heard they were already working on an expansion so soon, I was thrilled, because I figured it meant they were adding in more origin stories, like a human commoner, or a surface dwarf, or an apostate mage for example, and new landsmeet preparation quests along the lines of A Paragon on her kind, The Urn of Sacred Ashes/The Arl of Redcliff, Nature of the Beast, and The Broken Circle.
I was hoping to add to the party chemistry by seeing new characters interact with the old ones. I loved listening to Leliana and Morrigan argue about the existance of the Maker, or Zevran flirt with Wynne, and wanted to explore new combinations. Seeing the new characters introduced so far I think it'd be great to see how well Anders & Morrigan would get along, or not.
Instead, not only are we getting a whole new story, which appears as though it really should be a part of Dragon Age 2, but we're getting features and purchased content taken away from us. BioWare seems to think that this is a whole new game, but it's not, it's an expansion upon an existing game. A game where we purchased with real money content that will no longer be available, where a very large amount of everything we worked for is now trivialized by the fact that it won't carry over into it's own expansion.
That said I'm sure the expansion will be a good one... it's just going in a direction I wished it wouldn't, and it does diminish the significance of a great number of the nuances the player worked for.
In my opinion, they should have done it like Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, and added a ton of stuff into the middle of the game, while your main character is still alive.
When I heard they were already working on an expansion so soon, I was thrilled, because I figured it meant they were adding in more origin stories, like a human commoner, or a surface dwarf, or an apostate mage for example, and new landsmeet preparation quests along the lines of A Paragon on her kind, The Urn of Sacred Ashes/The Arl of Redcliff, Nature of the Beast, and The Broken Circle.
I was hoping to add to the party chemistry by seeing new characters interact with the old ones. I loved listening to Leliana and Morrigan argue about the existance of the Maker, or Zevran flirt with Wynne, and wanted to explore new combinations. Seeing the new characters introduced so far I think it'd be great to see how well Anders & Morrigan would get along, or not.
Instead, not only are we getting a whole new story, which appears as though it really should be a part of Dragon Age 2, but we're getting features and purchased content taken away from us. BioWare seems to think that this is a whole new game, but it's not, it's an expansion upon an existing game. A game where we purchased with real money content that will no longer be available, where a very large amount of everything we worked for is now trivialized by the fact that it won't carry over into it's own expansion.
That said I'm sure the expansion will be a good one... it's just going in a direction I wished it wouldn't, and it does diminish the significance of a great number of the nuances the player worked for.
#362
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:46
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i tried the game first then decided to buy it
#363
Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:56
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I want to say another thing.. There are people here who had 4-5-6 and more playthrough in DAO and that were really thrilled to see how the decisions of all of their characters may have an impact in this xpac... Now that we know it is just a new adventure with very few legacies with original game how many times you think people will play it? I think I will play it 1 or max 2 times... and the lack of romances took out in me any interest in make a Playthrough with New Warden.. I think they also killed the Replayability of the xpac
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#365
Posté 17 février 2010 - 05:55
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Hang on... so at the end of my DA:O game, two of my party members continued to follow me around, as explicitly stated in the epilogue. Alistair, because he's now helping me rebuild the Grey Wardens, and Leliana, who was my romance and has stayed by my side.
I can JUST ABOUT understand that Alistair might not come with you in that cirumstance, especially if you're going away for just a short while, as he might remain in Ferelden to continue your work in rebuilding the Wardens. A "see you in a few months, mate, I'll try not to burn the fortress down" would suffice there.
But Leliana said she'd see the world with me and stay by my side. She stuck with me through some of the most dangerous situations a person can face, and yet suddenly now has wandered off and left me to travel to this dangerous new place alone? Surely she'd LOVE seeing new places with me - it's what she loves doing, after all.
Just seems a bit of a cop-out, to me. I'd just create a new character instead, but that's gimped to hell.
I can JUST ABOUT understand that Alistair might not come with you in that cirumstance, especially if you're going away for just a short while, as he might remain in Ferelden to continue your work in rebuilding the Wardens. A "see you in a few months, mate, I'll try not to burn the fortress down" would suffice there.
But Leliana said she'd see the world with me and stay by my side. She stuck with me through some of the most dangerous situations a person can face, and yet suddenly now has wandered off and left me to travel to this dangerous new place alone? Surely she'd LOVE seeing new places with me - it's what she loves doing, after all.
Just seems a bit of a cop-out, to me. I'd just create a new character instead, but that's gimped to hell.
#366
Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:01
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Well, I'm disappointed personally. It's like Bioware really took shortcuts with this expansion.
No romances
Hardly any plot points carrying over
No dlc
Etc.
Most of the things that made Origins great are gone. Not to mention that it is supposed to only have around 15 hours of gameplay. Yet, despite all these things, they STILL expect us to pay 40$ for it.
It's just sad. I was looking forward to this expansion, but now I doubt I'll even buy it.
It's almost as if they got lazy and took shortcuts. They aren't adding romances because it takes time and money to add the extra scenes. And then, they use "the warden has to save the world!" as an excuse. Pathetic. That didn't seem to make a difference in Origins. The warden had to save the world then as well, yet you could still have romances.
The lack of plot points carrying over also seems to show that Bioware was being lazy with this as well. This takes away the fun of the choice aspect in this game.
I understand that not everyone has the dlc on their games, but it is unfair that those who did spend the money to buy it don't get to make use of it(Mind you, I didn't buy any DLC either and still think those who did should get rewarded.)
This is just too bad. This expansion has only ended up being a major disappointment for me.
No romances
Hardly any plot points carrying over
No dlc
Etc.
Most of the things that made Origins great are gone. Not to mention that it is supposed to only have around 15 hours of gameplay. Yet, despite all these things, they STILL expect us to pay 40$ for it.
It's just sad. I was looking forward to this expansion, but now I doubt I'll even buy it.
It's almost as if they got lazy and took shortcuts. They aren't adding romances because it takes time and money to add the extra scenes. And then, they use "the warden has to save the world!" as an excuse. Pathetic. That didn't seem to make a difference in Origins. The warden had to save the world then as well, yet you could still have romances.
The lack of plot points carrying over also seems to show that Bioware was being lazy with this as well. This takes away the fun of the choice aspect in this game.
I understand that not everyone has the dlc on their games, but it is unfair that those who did spend the money to buy it don't get to make use of it(Mind you, I didn't buy any DLC either and still think those who did should get rewarded.)
This is just too bad. This expansion has only ended up being a major disappointment for me.
#367
Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:08
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Rico Len1 wrote...
Here's my problem with this expansion... The problem is the whole idea of making a mini-sequel to the game and expanding AFTER your main character has likely sacrificed themselves. What would make them think that it's a good idea to expand on the game after your character is dead?
In my opinion, they should have done it like Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, and added a ton of stuff into the middle of the game, while your main character is still alive.
When I heard they were already working on an expansion so soon, I was thrilled, because I figured it meant they were adding in more origin stories, like a human commoner, or a surface dwarf, or an apostate mage for example, and new landsmeet preparation quests along the lines of A Paragon on her kind, The Urn of Sacred Ashes/The Arl of Redcliff, Nature of the Beast, and The Broken Circle.
I was hoping to add to the party chemistry by seeing new characters interact with the old ones. I loved listening to Leliana and Morrigan argue about the existance of the Maker, or Zevran flirt with Wynne, and wanted to explore new combinations. Seeing the new characters introduced so far I think it'd be great to see how well Anders & Morrigan would get along, or not.
Instead, not only are we getting a whole new story, which appears as though it really should be a part of Dragon Age 2, but we're getting features and purchased content taken away from us. BioWare seems to think that this is a whole new game, but it's not, it's an expansion upon an existing game. A game where we purchased with real money content that will no longer be available, where a very large amount of everything we worked for is now trivialized by the fact that it won't carry over into it's own expansion.
That said I'm sure the expansion will be a good one... it's just going in a direction I wished it wouldn't, and it does diminish the significance of a great number of the nuances the player worked for.
Excellent points.
The fact that an expansion that REQUIRES the original game and is therefore catering to fans of the original game throws out so much of that game gives me little hope that the sequel, which will be made to draw in wider audience, will have our favourite characters as companions again.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:26
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wait wait you mean in awakening the game dont transfer the plot choices you made
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
#369
Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:30
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See I'd be ok with Dragon Age 2 being a whole new story. I'd almost expect it. But for the expansion? No way. There were a number of things that happened in the game that made me think that the Blight was just the beginning. That stuff going on down in Deep Roads was rather disturbing and hinted that the Blight might be nothing compared to what could be happening.
Now this expansion pack is dealing with the origins of the darkspawn, and hopefully the chantry is wrong and it's more along the lines of what was going on with that Brood Mother creature. I'm all for exploring that story line, I think it'll be great. I just think it should take place several years later and in a fully fleshed out sequel, not just a tacked on expansion.
The expansion for a game like this really should be something to make the original game even more epic, not tell a whole new story. I mean, that's just my opinion. But this has been marketed as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, and in every single way up to the point where they announced what this expansion was about, it has been. But this? I'm just disappointed.
Not to mention that now, finding out what this expansion is doing, or rather more specifically NOT doing, I'm questioning whether or not I just threw my money away buying the current DLC.
Now this expansion pack is dealing with the origins of the darkspawn, and hopefully the chantry is wrong and it's more along the lines of what was going on with that Brood Mother creature. I'm all for exploring that story line, I think it'll be great. I just think it should take place several years later and in a fully fleshed out sequel, not just a tacked on expansion.
The expansion for a game like this really should be something to make the original game even more epic, not tell a whole new story. I mean, that's just my opinion. But this has been marketed as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, and in every single way up to the point where they announced what this expansion was about, it has been. But this? I'm just disappointed.
Not to mention that now, finding out what this expansion is doing, or rather more specifically NOT doing, I'm questioning whether or not I just threw my money away buying the current DLC.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:33
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voidcommander9111980 wrote...
wait wait you mean in awakening the game dont transfer the plot choices you made
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
It will to a certain extent I'm sure. based off the, er, epilogue (I think that's the word I'm looking for) you got at the end of the game. But let's face it, if you sacrificed yourself at the end of the game, what are they going to do? Bring you back to life and say "Hey wait! We've got more adventures for you!"
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:34
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voidcommander9111980 wrote...
wait wait you mean in awakening the game dont transfer the plot choices you made
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
it does, but not when you are a dead warden or it seems like not... but it is vague... It might have a KOTOR2 beginning where you select what happened
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:52
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Rico Len1 wrote...
voidcommander9111980 wrote...
wait wait you mean in awakening the game dont transfer the plot choices you made
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
It will to a certain extent I'm sure. based off the, er, epilogue (I think that's the word I'm looking for) you got at the end of the game. But let's face it, if you sacrificed yourself at the end of the game, what are they going to do? Bring you back to life and say "Hey wait! We've got more adventures for you!"
Why not? That's what they did with characters from Baldur's Gate who reappeared in Baldur's Gate II even if they were dead by the end of the first game. Although apparently the ability to raise the dead is far more common in the Forgotten Realms than it is in the Dragon Age world.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:52
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Actually it says in the FAQ that your choices from DA:O will carry-over to DA:A ME2-style. Some more, some less prominent. It'll also make a difference what kind of save you import (you don't have to import a end-game save, you can take one right from the middle of the game).Vuokseniska wrote...
voidcommander9111980 wrote...
wait wait you mean in awakening the game dont transfer the plot choices you made
in the original dragonage ??? ( W T F !!! )
it does, but not when you are a dead warden or it seems like not... but it is vague... It might have a KOTOR2 beginning where you select what happened
What irks some of the fans here is the fact that BW decided to not recognize the "ultimate sacrifice" ending from DA:A: If you import a endgame save where your PC made the US the game will simply ignore it.
Imo that's not *that* bad -afterall the alternative would've been that you simply can't import your US save from DA:O.
What *really* irks me personally is the fact that there will be no appearnce, however small, of Lelianna and Morrigan *at all*...we won't even get cameos ME2 style. They are simply not there in the expansion.
Modifié par GreenSoda, 17 février 2010 - 06:55 .
#374
Posté 17 février 2010 - 07:01
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But see you're talking about a comparison between full on sequels. Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, and Baldur's Gate to Baldur's Gate 2. This is Dragon Age: Origins to it's own expansion pack. This isn't Dragon Age 2.
I don't know, Like said earlier I'm sure the expansion actually will be fun. I'm simply (badly) disappointed that they're not doing their expansion the way Baldur's Gate did it. I had gotten my hopes up for new origin stories, new landsmeet preparation quests, new cities and dungeons and new characters to include with all the old ones.
I don't know, Like said earlier I'm sure the expansion actually will be fun. I'm simply (badly) disappointed that they're not doing their expansion the way Baldur's Gate did it. I had gotten my hopes up for new origin stories, new landsmeet preparation quests, new cities and dungeons and new characters to include with all the old ones.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 07:17
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Well, their most common reply to anything is "As long as people buy..." And that's what the majority do. I will not join their forces regarding Awakening.Dennis Carpenter wrote...
I pretty much give up any hope developers will be looking at anything we have to say with any interest whatsoever. If anyone remembers alot of suggestions were asked for and given very few of which seem to have been accepted. At this point i am putting my faith in the community much as I did with NWN. The community content out shined anything obsidian put out for us and i expect the same will happen with DAO. I have already seen a number of mods that are extremely well done and look forward to there completion. More likely as not i will be going there for my storyline immersion and eventually stop buying company made product altogether until the next great overhaul. Thats pretty sad............ Hey developers has anyone told you YOUR JOB IS ON THE LINE..........
And in reply to someone questioning the word 'Expansion' on page one or two. I know what you mean. Expansion to me is taking what you have and make a continuation based on the material you have. Reading about Awakening makes me feel as if one tiny part of the story is integrated into something completely new. That is not an expansion to me.
