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[DhammaWings]

I'm hoping the Toolset will provide ability to overcome some of the unfortunate shortcomings with Awakening. Hopefully we can mod in some other companion to replace Oghren (the worst imo), and also bring in Starfang and other DLC from Origin.

[WilliamShatner]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

They don't seem to continue in full sequels either...

I think the expectation came from (some) people not expecting their favourite part of the game to be thrown out in the expansion.

[Monica21]

Just a question about the DLC items related to MoTB. I know that BioWare didn't develop it and there were no DLCs for NWN2, but if you carried your NWN2 character to MoTB, didn't you lose most of your gear? I think I remember waking up with a cloak I'd discarded long ago. Obviously the way it was handled made sense, but since we don't know how this is handled, is it premature to assume that not having access to the DLC items doesn't make sense?

[Sabriana]

Yep, you lost all your gear, except what your PC was wearing. If she had no cloak, she was given one.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote...

I can tell you exactly where that expectation came from.

1. BG II

2. Non-gamers who are more used to fiction than action games ... these are the new customers that you were hoping to keep.

Yes.. I play RPG Games (and not action games) since I was 13-14 and now I am 32 and I always liked the "fiction" elements in RPG... The real difference beetwen an action game and a RPG game in my modest opionion is just the psychologic develompent of the characters... maybe I am a non-gamer.. well..now I know this...my life will goes on anyway...

And many other people beside me love BW games and consider them better than other companies' games just for the "fiction" elements they usually put in their games... my point of view btw...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 18 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[Muddle]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote:
"Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network."

Some of their expectations came from this article (a interview of one of your people): 
http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1058656p1.html

[Wyndham711]

I'm baffled by how obsessed some people can be about the romances. I think DAO had probably the best romances and overall greatest companions ever in any game. Awakening, however, is a different experience with different design goals - goals that wouldn't work well with romances. I assume Awakening is going to be comparatively much more intense experience (storywise at least) with a fresh new cast, who are written by largely the same people that were in charge of writing the Origins characters.

This new cast is presumably designed to fit the roles in the kind of story they are going to tell with Awakening. To tell a new kind of story, you often need a new characters. And that is by no means a bad thing. If anything, it tells me Bioware isn't afraid to take chances with something new. It's just surprising how narrow-minded some people can be, :/

[Tereval]

Still does not excuse removing items from content people paid for in an expansion. That is the pill I am having trouble swallowing. The most interesting items in Dragon Age: Origins are DLC items. Cailan's armor, Maric's Sword, Starfang, The Warden Commander's Armor (which is particularly suited to the plot of this expansion), Duncan's weapons. Story rich wonderful items that people paid cash in many cases to get, its a not sequel after all but an expansion so why does this gear vanish?



I appreciate that all of this gear will likely be replaced fairly early in the expansion but its the principle of thing, its arbitrary.



Also as many stated it deludes peoples desire to buy DLC content if we find them so lacking in respect from the company that produces them.

[TheMadCat]

Well Wyndham, the main reason for most is the fact that they are an important part of your characters story which is being continued in Awakening, actually being encouraged with what they did with the US. So from a characters standpoint it doesn't make any sense to some for the romance to be put on hold, personally so long as they don't take the "never happened" approach I'll be happy, they know what needs to be done.

[KennethAFTopp]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

So what's the reasoning behind not having the DLC items carried over?

[Wyndham711]

TheMadCat wrote...

Well Wyndham, the main reason for most is the fact that they are an important part of your characters story which is being continued in Awakening, actually being encouraged with what they did with the US. So from a characters standpoint it doesn't make any sense to some for the romance to be put on hold, personally so long as they don't take the "never happened" approach I'll be happy, they know what needs to be done.

Sure, I would be equally abashed if romances were completely retconned out. But we have already been told that is not the case. I'm not sure I understand how at this point anyone could with any certainty say whether the relationships being on hold makes sense or not, since in the end that is all up to what kind of story Awakening tells. However, it has been stated that this is going to be an intense mission, apparently not some year-long quest around the country, more like some acute dirty work the PC is going to have to handle on their own. From this kind of premise I find it easy to see why continuing the romances wouldn't necessarily make much sense and/or feel right within the context of the story.

[Mass Fraud]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Now that you've answered that question, can you please tackle the DLC issue now?

[Slukers]

One of my favorite characters is Queen ruling with Alistair.  I really wonder how that will play out in Awakening with no romances... of course that's what they say about marriage...

[TheMadCat]

Wyndham711 wrote...
Sure, I would be equally abashed if romances were completely retconned out. But we have already been told that is not the case. I'm not sure I understand how at this point anyone could with any certainty say whether the relationships being on hold makes sense or not, since in the end that is all up to what kind of story Awakening tells. However, it has been stated that this is going to be an intense mission, apparently not some year-long quest around the country, more like some acute dirty work the PC is going to have to handle on their own. From this kind of premise I find it easy to see why continuing the romances wouldn't necessarily make much sense and/or feel right within the context of the story.

Sure, that's how I see it as well. Some people though feel it's just to important a part of your characters story for it to be "ignored" and I find their views understandable. I'm a wait and see type person though, I'll pass my judgement in a year or two after Bioware has moved on.

[Karmianna]

Wournos wrote...

I'd like to know what "old favourite" was based on. So far I have seen more complaints that Oghren is back than praise for the same reason. I for one don't care for him at all. I'd prefer he stayed in Orsammar, or, preferrably gotten drunk and lost in the Deep Roads. He was the last person to join the party. How can you get to know someone so late in the game and have him as favourite?! Feels like he's getting a second chance because of this instead of being the true "favourite".

Ohg was then and always will be an ass hat. I only took him along when the gods made me. Sten was more socially acceptable than Ohgren. Wake up and smell the flatulence EA and Bioware. Your customers are passing gas in your general direction!

[Seifz]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...



Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Yeah... You probably should have thought of that before you wrote some of the ending material. My Leliana said that she'd be traveling the world with me. It seems kind of silly now to know that she's really just going to chill somewhere while I go save the world again.

[Karmianna]

Seifz wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Yeah... You probably should have thought of that before you wrote some of the ending material. My Leliana said that she'd be traveling the world with me. It seems kind of silly now to know that she's really just going to chill somewhere while I go save the world again.

And also the fact that there are no romance options in this expansion. The romance options added a level of enjoyment to the whole role playing experience. Remember how good you felt when you found the flowers for Lilli? I know the story line at the end said they traveled together at least for a time. The total lack of romance options is leaving out one of my and it seems like others favorite aspects of the game.

Modifié par Karmianna, 18 février 2010 - 10:04 .

[Karmianna]

TheMadCat wrote...

Wyndham711 wrote...
Sure, I would be equally abashed if romances were completely retconned out. But we have already been told that is not the case. I'm not sure I understand how at this point anyone could with any certainty say whether the relationships being on hold makes sense or not, since in the end that is all up to what kind of story Awakening tells. However, it has been stated that this is going to be an intense mission, apparently not some year-long quest around the country, more like some acute dirty work the PC is going to have to handle on their own. From this kind of premise I find it easy to see why continuing the romances wouldn't necessarily make much sense and/or feel right within the context of the story.

Sure, that's how I see it as well. Some people though feel it's just to important a part of your characters story for it to be "ignored" and I find their views understandable. I'm a wait and see type person though, I'll pass my judgement in a year or two after Bioware has moved on.

How would you feel if they left out your favorite litter box and did not add any new litter boxes and left your digestive track on hold? :-)

[Blindside002]

Well I'm a little upset about that. I was expecting some of the romances to have atleast a little bit to do with this exspansion, but now seeing that one of my favorite parts of DAO will not be a part of it kinda makes me hesitate on whether or not to buy it. Don't get me wrong I think I would enjoy this atleast to an extent, but my budget at the moment for games is tight and I don't know if I should use that to pay for something about as exspensive as a regular game. These new allies look nice, but I'm not certain if this exspansion will have enough to build up the characters enough, I may be wrong though, but without further information I can't know and may not want to risk buying something I have doubts about.

[Mass Fraud]

Karmianna wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Yeah... You probably should have thought of that before you wrote some of the ending material. My Leliana said that she'd be traveling the world with me. It seems kind of silly now to know that she's really just going to chill somewhere while I go save the world again.

And also the fact that there are no romance options in this expansion. The romance options added a level of enjoyment to the whole role playing experience. Remember how good you felt when you found the flowers for Lilli? I know the story line at the end said they traveled together at least for a time. The total lack of romance options is leaving out one of my and it seems like others favorite aspects of the game.

They f*** themselves over with that one.

[Ahisgewaya]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Okay, that's great, but WHERE'S MY DOG?
If he's wondering around at Vigil's Keep that would be just fine though. I just don't want him to die....
Or leave for no reason.

[Slukers]

Mass Fraud wrote...

Karmianna wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Yeah... You probably should have thought of that before you wrote some of the ending material. My Leliana said that she'd be traveling the world with me. It seems kind of silly now to know that she's really just going to chill somewhere while I go save the world again.

And also the fact that there are no romance options in this expansion. The romance options added a level of enjoyment to the whole role playing experience. Remember how good you felt when you found the flowers for Lilli? I know the story line at the end said they traveled together at least for a time. The total lack of romance options is leaving out one of my and it seems like others favorite aspects of the game.

They f*** themselves over with that one.

I think the romances make Dragon Age as well as Mass Effect have that little edge over other rpgs... I mean, the character development seems deeper when you add this human (ish elven dwarven) element to each person.  I would love to see those decisions move over, even if I cannot act on them anymore. This is a (semi) unique trait of Bioware games. Why not milk it?

I do understand no real new romances though, because we probably won't have as long of a time frame in the expansion to get to know the new characters.

[Ponce de Leon]

SinYang wrote...

^ Sounds like you havent seen all of Wynne's dialogue, she later retracts that dialogue by stating "you know i think you will both turn out alright even without my help".

No no, I haven't skipped that one. But I didn't want to mention it... because then my post wouldn't make any sense

Its also disappointing to hear Ferret comparing a multiplayer focused game to a singleplayer expansion.
I really didnt find Nwn series all that great taken as singleplayer alone, multiplayer gave me years of enjoyment/still does infact.

Story wise (and just story wise, not romance and whatever else), I think they did the right thing with Awakening. I mean, you have to expand your order. And you cannot focus it on your previous companions. It would be too... easy to reach a calm-level of the entire order, no?
Still, the expansions of NWN were far better than the original game, at least in my view, story wise and companion wise. Who are we to tell these new companions won't be good as well? Well, who are we to tell they WILL be good... still, if we looked a bit backwards, I think many can agree most of the disappointment considering romances come with ToB (I guess). After all, the romances in the expansion continued quite nicely (until the end).

[Demx]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from. As Gaider has said elsewhere, we certainly aren't retconning those romances. They happened, they are a part of your character's life. But you're very busy in Awakening tackling some serious problems. And long-distance communication in Ferelden isn't exactly on the 3G network.

Okay, that's great, but WHERE'S MY DOG?
If he's wondering around at Vigil's Keep that would be just fine though. I just don't want him to die....
Or leave for no reason.

He pretty much gave you the longer version of the answer from the FAQ. I doubt we will get any other answers besides those that have already been stated.

[click2kill]

Monica21 wrote...

Just a question about the DLC items related to MoTB. I know that BioWare didn't develop it and there were no DLCs for NWN2, but if you carried your NWN2 character to MoTB, didn't you lose most of your gear? I think I remember waking up with a cloak I'd discarded long ago. Obviously the way it was handled made sense, but since we don't know how this is handled, is it premature to assume that not having access to the DLC items doesn't make sense?

There is a big difference in that NWN2 gear came with the core of the game, where as the DLC items for DA were paid for with real money.