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[Wyndham711]

I got the impression that the romance stuff wasn't very well received critically, especially not the erotic parts. I'd think romances aren't an easy thing to develop, and when critics mostly either completely ignore the romance aspect or even mark the game down for those sex-scenes, it might not feel very tempting/rewarding spending time and effort there - especially now with a new type of story that wouldn't necessarily even work very well with romances.

[Demx]

Wyndham711 wrote...

I got the impression that the romance stuff wasn't very well received critically, especially not the erotic parts. I'd think romances aren't an easy thing to develop, and when critics mostly either completely ignore the romance aspect or even mark the game down for those sex-scenes, it might not feel very tempting/rewarding spending time and effort there - especially now with a new type of story that wouldn't necessarily even work very well with romances.

Do you really think any critic that reviews video games in a western world company would say anything detailed about the sex scenes, unless they were tasteless?

[AKALoki]

I can understand the amount of resources necessary to develop branching dialog for multiple romance options and I understand working against a deadline trying to put those options together. It's not unrealistic to consider the possibility that romantic entanglements might need to be put on hold for a period of time while you tend to other business. It happens with the military all the time. However, I think our hosts should seriously consider the amount of flack they're receiving on the issue and act accordingly on future expansions. I would think the goal of selling more games would be best served by providing what the players desire and it's evident that romance opportunities are a significant part of those expectations. Assuring continuity of events and actions would go a long way in assuring repeat customers. That being said, I'll buy the expansion regardless because despite short falls in expectations, Bioware is still the best game in town.

[Curlain]

Siradix wrote...

Wyndham711 wrote...

I got the impression that the romance stuff wasn't very well received critically, especially not the erotic parts. I'd think romances aren't an easy thing to develop, and when critics mostly either completely ignore the romance aspect or even mark the game down for those sex-scenes, it might not feel very tempting/rewarding spending time and effort there - especially now with a new type of story that wouldn't necessarily even work very well with romances.

Do you really think any critic that reviews video games in a western world company would say anything detailed about the sex scenes, unless they were tasteless?

And not every review of the game regarded the romance and relationship side of things in general were bad, but looked positively on them.  This review on the relationships and romances in Mass Effect 2 and DA was posted in the Spoilers Storyline section, interesting in how positive it was about how romances and interaction and relationship between your PC and your companions in general was seen:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35374236/ns/technology_and_science-love_in_the_digital_age//

[Enraged Gecko]

At least Shepard isn't worried about being a politically correct chump like the rest of you guys. Let him get a piece before a potentially deadly galactic confrontation. I know I would.

Modifié par Enraged Gecko, 18 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[zMessenjah]

I agree w/ SecilyL.. the romance aspect of DAO made it heads above the rest of the RPG's I've played. Hands down! I loved everything about the game except Shayle. Her personallity was little to be desired. Sorta like here..a stone. lol

As far as ppl complaining about the romances being put on hold.

I fully understand how your character is like you in a game. I am soo into my character & the storyline, friendship & romance soap opera like part of the game it borders on obsession, so says my husband... It is like these characters become a part of you.

However..This is an expansion, not a direct continuation like DA2!!!

Don't worry... I am sooo anxious to find Morrigan in my game. I know darn well she's in luv w/my character, & don't know how to deal w/her emotions. I want to confront that & find out what came of my kid is it normal,good,evil, a mutant?!?! (My guy is head over heals for her! lol ) There are sooo many ways the story line could go with the decisions my Character made w/ Morrigan it is unreal!

However...until I get the chance to find here, there are soo many things just waiting to be killed & loot to find

All I am saying is....Patience people patience!

Have any of you ppl that are soooo mad ever considered that this expansion could be just a stepping stone in the story leading to a more complex bigger world/story line in the future of DA2, for your character, your companions, & romances, from DAO?

I think all this getting mad over there not being romances in this expansion is just silly!

There is sooo much to the story line/game yet to be told.

As far as DLC, I have all them & enjoyed playing them all. I'm not mad I can't take it w/ me in the expansion, There is nothing saying you won't beable to access it in DA2.

[Karmianna]

DhammaWings wrote...

I'm hoping the Toolset will provide ability to overcome some of the unfortunate shortcomings with Awakening. Hopefully we can mod in some other companion to replace Oghren (the worst imo), and also bring in Starfang and other DLC from Origin.

Ohgren was indeed a sorry companion. He had no sense of humor. He wasn't even a curmudgeon. And as a warrior he sucked largely. He got stuck in a fence during the battle outside the main gate. I was hoping for some more well developed companions like Lilli or Allistar or even Morrigan was entertaining. 

[Karmianna]

AKALoki wrote...

I can understand the amount of resources necessary to develop branching dialog for multiple romance options and I understand working against a deadline trying to put those options together. It's not unrealistic to consider the possibility that romantic entanglements might need to be put on hold for a period of time while you tend to other business. It happens with the military all the time. However, I think our hosts should seriously consider the amount of flack they're receiving on the issue and act accordingly on future expansions. I would think the goal of selling more games would be best served by providing what the players desire and it's evident that romance opportunities are a significant part of those expectations. Assuring continuity of events and actions would go a long way in assuring repeat customers. That being said, I'll buy the expansion regardless because despite short falls in expectations, Bioware is still the best game in town.

Wow what a concept give the customer what they ask for. Do you really think it will work?

[Bob3terd]

To those who dont understand why people are upset about the romances not reappearing or those in bioware need to understand why its important to continue or acknowledge the continuing romance even if its not seen (i do know they are acknowledged), all in tidy bullet points for easy reading:



1. A new story dosent always need new characters, and seeing as this is a continuation of a story rather than a entirely new one, main characters related to the protagonist LI etc would be expected to be seen in some form or another. After all in lord of the rings Aragorn didnt replace gimli, legolas,merry and pippin for a new troupe. Bad characters/unimportant where removed and new ones introduced to keep things fresh. Wiping the party slate clean each time is ham handed.



2. The thing about romance options is you grow attached to them thats their point after all, if not then your just persueing them to see 2 computer generated characters bump uglies. Romance is an interesting character development it helps to emotionally anchor a player in a game thus helps immersion. Tbh without it i tend to go through most games with a large sense of apathy for the world they are set in. As other games often do as a bioware representative said is to remove the romances from sequels etc, this however tends to rip the emotional anchor out and it distances players from the world.



3. I know bioware have said they arnt retconning or doing a mysterious break up thing luckily. However its often the case that after spending an entire game romancing some one in the brief time between then and the sequel things are out of the players control, we shaped out own story in DA:O within the choices we are given to be forcibly forced down a path we never would have chosen between games that is out of our control is seriously annoying. The reaction is in a sense the same as if in origins our character was a morally upright hero and in awakening we then find bioware has changed him into a crime boss to fit their story better is just as annoying.

Or going to work one day to return home to find some one has broken you up with your GF coz they want you to date a new one lol.



4. Romance lasts a hell of a lot longer than flirting then getting in a girls knickers, there are ups and downs and trials and tribulations, moon light walks etc etc. Most players want to go beyond the seduction there is great potential in intertwining a relationship and the dutys of a grey warden do i fight darkspawn or spend time with a loved one and what are the consequences, story wise its a great thing but i feel bioware is just trying to dodge writing something outside of the standard, get to know, flirt, conclusion of their romances.

Its also the case with dialogue it just stops dead after the romance conclusion.



5. Bioware prides itself on its story telling and its character development but yet it dosent develop its characters for more than one game or one back story. Its getting to the state where bioware games are becoming cookie cutter, deep and complex but nether the less cookie cutter.

If it continues people are gunna want somthing different, eventually you have to stray outside your known formulae.

[Wyndham711]

Romances aren't the only thing they can do in terms of involvement with the party members. Personally, I'm interested in seeing what different kinds of relationships they cook up in Awakening now that romances are out of the picture. I for one appreciated my genuine friendship with Alistair even more than I did my sweet romance with Leliana. I think now that the PC is going to officially become a 'military' leader, there's going to be a lot of interesting possibilities dealing with authority, subordination and brotherhood in arms, for example.

[zMessenjah]

I am wondering that maybe you can't start up "new romances" in Awakening for a reason?

Maybe it will complicate/interfere with current/existing romance & choices you made in DAO when DA2 comes out?...

I still believe that your current choice in relationship will reappear in DA2 or a future game

Personally am the faithful type/ hopeless romantic who's character stays with one person in my game & have no desire to frolic in the field w/ someone else... but that is just me.



I've got a question for those of you who were NOT involved with or flirting with Lilliana, but involved with Morrigan, Allistar, or Zev... Did Lilliana creep you out at some point of the game & seem sorta "psycho stalker/delusional" ???

In my game I was nothing but a friend to her, Never told her she was beautiful or gave here any false hopes of a romantic relationship.. I was just a nice guy to her..., however I did give her gifts just as I did everyone else. All of my crew that mentioned a specific item they got it gifted to them.Anyways, I only flirted w/ & had a romantic relationship w/ Morrigan & there came a point in my game where Lilliana was freaky & all the sudden loved me & didn't want to see me w/ Morrigan but w/ her & acted like I was cheating on her w/Morrigan!?!? I was like wtf. Anyone else get freaked out by the bard too??

Just curious.

[Karmianna]

zMessenjah wrote...

I am wondering that maybe you can't start up "new romances" in Awakening for a reason?
Maybe it will complicate/interfere with current/existing romance & choices you made in DAO when DA2 comes out?...
I still believe that your current choice in relationship will reappear in DA2 or a future game
Personally am the faithful type/ hopeless romantic who's character stays with one person in my game & have no desire to frolic in the field w/ someone else... but that is just me.

I've got a question for those of you who were NOT involved with or flirting with Lilliana, but involved with Morrigan, Allistar, or Zev... Did Lilliana creep you out at some point of the game & seem sorta "psycho stalker/delusional" ???
In my game I was nothing but a friend to her, Never told her she was beautiful or gave here any false hopes of a romantic relationship.. I was just a nice guy to her..., however I did give her gifts just as I did everyone else. All of my crew that mentioned a specific item they got it gifted to them.Anyways, I only flirted w/ & had a romantic relationship w/ Morrigan & there came a point in my game where Lilliana was freaky & all the sudden loved me & didn't want to see me w/ Morrigan but w/ her & acted like I was cheating on her w/Morrigan!?!? I was like wtf. Anyone else get freaked out by the bard too??
Just curious.

No, but Ohgren kept waving his dorf winkie doodle at me!

[Slukers]

Winkie doodle Karmianna? Oghren didn't do that to me but yes Lelianna got uber jealous of my relationship with Zevran when I wasn't romancing her... I think you can accidently romance people, though, because somehow Alistair got upset, too. Everyone wants my elf... But seriously, I romanced them each in other playthroughs, so I thought I knew how to pick just friendship choices, it only takes one wrong answer to switch them to love interest.

[zMessenjah]

[quote]Karmianna wrote...

[/quote] No, but Ohgren kept waving his dorf winkie doodle at me![/quote]
LM sodding AO!!!   Yea, I think he waved his "dwarf winkie doodle" at every passer by.

[Karmianna]

SecilyL wrote...

Winkie doodle Karmianna? Oghren didn't do that to me but yes Lelianna got uber jealous of my relationship with Zevran when I wasn't romancing her... I think you can accidently romance people, though, because somehow Alistair got upset, too. Everyone wants my elf... But seriously, I romanced them each in other playthroughs, so I thought I knew how to pick just friendship choices, it only takes one wrong answer to switch them to love interest.

Yea Alistar started talking this "What about us stuff at the end to" I was like , I didn't know there was an us. Leli is my gal. She is so cute when she spins wielding 2 swords and decapitates a dark spawn while giggling like a high school bard. 

[zMessenjah]

SecilyL wrote...

Winkie doodle Karmianna? Oghren didn't do that to me but yes Lelianna got uber jealous of my relationship with Zevran when I wasn't romancing her... I think you can accidently romance people, though, because somehow Alistair got upset, too. Everyone wants my elf... But seriously, I romanced them each in other playthroughs, so I thought I knew how to pick just friendship choices, it only takes one wrong answer to switch them to love interest.

I don't know if you can accidently romance ppl?  I know Zev. hit on my guy once & I nicely set him straight on my "preferance" & we were great friends the whole game.
With Lilliana there was no getting it through her head.. I think after the Dalish elf quest when Lilliana sang that pretty song.. she was trying to seduce (sp?) my hottie human guy, that is when I really started to wonder about her & made sure I didn't lead her on. I just don't trust her for some reason.  But despite all my being cautious...she "psycho stalked me" for a little while. It was ...CREEPY
 Yea I feel the same as you,.. like everyone wants to bed my guy .  It is funny.

[Karmianna]

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! Especially if that woman is a master duelist with 2 long sharp knives. A little known master talent only available if you complete a hidden quest in Redcliff. The talent requires you be a master duelist, once completed you learn the special tallent known as the Lorena Bobbit flip and snip!

[Karmianna]

zMessenjah wrote...

SecilyL wrote...

Winkie doodle Karmianna? Oghren didn't do that to me but yes Lelianna got uber jealous of my relationship with Zevran when I wasn't romancing her... I think you can accidently romance people, though, because somehow Alistair got upset, too. Everyone wants my elf... But seriously, I romanced them each in other playthroughs, so I thought I knew how to pick just friendship choices, it only takes one wrong answer to switch them to love interest.

Did you ever find that Kentucky Jelly Zev kept asking for?
I don't know if you can accidently romance ppl?  I know Zev. hit on my guy once & I nicely set him straight on my "preferance" & we were great friends the whole game.
With Lilliana there was no getting it through her head.. I think after the Dalish elf quest when Lilliana sang that pretty song.. she was trying to seduce (sp?) my hottie human guy, that is when I really started to wonder about her & made sure I didn't lead her on. I just don't trust her for some reason.  But despite all my being cautious...she "psycho stalked me" for a little while. It was ...CREEPY
 Yea I feel the same as you,.. like everyone wants to bed my guy .  It is funny.

[Karmianna]

I'm bored, I wish Larry Mondello was home.

[zMessenjah]

Karmianna:  Kentucky Jelly .....lmao

Modifié par zMessenjah, 19 février 2010 - 01:45 .

[Ceridraen]

zMessenjah wrote...

I am wondering that maybe you can't start up "new romances" in Awakening for a reason?
Maybe it will complicate/interfere with current/existing romance & choices you made in DAO when DA2 comes out?...
I still believe that your current choice in relationship will reappear in DA2 or a future game
Personally am the faithful type/ hopeless romantic who's character stays with one person in my game & have no desire to frolic in the field w/ someone else... but that is just me.

I've got a question for those of you who were NOT involved with or flirting with Lilliana, but involved with Morrigan, Allistar, or Zev... Did Lilliana creep you out at some point of the game & seem sorta "psycho stalker/delusional" ???
In my game I was nothing but a friend to her, Never told her she was beautiful or gave here any false hopes of a romantic relationship.. I was just a nice guy to her..., however I did give her gifts just as I did everyone else. All of my crew that mentioned a specific item they got it gifted to them.Anyways, I only flirted w/ & had a romantic relationship w/ Morrigan & there came a point in my game where Lilliana was freaky & all the sudden loved me & didn't want to see me w/ Morrigan but w/ her & acted like I was cheating on her w/Morrigan!?!? I was like wtf. Anyone else get freaked out by the bard too??
Just curious.

I had a plan for my 3 - my elf mage got Alastair, unhardened, & that was that. All fine. The creepy sucker punch with Morrigan inspired me to make a male human, who I decided would be king. I hated that ending - I'm a boy toy king-ette, with no power, & since he (and I) love elves, he didn't nothing to help them.  I went back to an earlier save & made Alastair a reluctant king.  My city elf boy has a hardened Alastair for king. My plan was to have him with Leliana - but first of all, her voice was pure torture. I'd liked her ok on the mage - she makes a good friend, fun banter, etc.  But as a love interest - ugh!  Whereas Morrigan is rather sweet (she's with the human warrior guy) - Leliana just seemed weirdly manipulative (more than stalkerish, & she also did the 'end of game' romance with my warrior, who had barely spoken to her throughout.)   She also seemed like a kid's idea of a girlfriend, nice but giggly.  That was hard to endure. My elf boy remains single - he told Morrigan he thinks she's attractive, etc, but 'just friends.'  After 2 romances, it was rather pleasant to have him be above it all. He looks young, he's very cute, but somehow, he seemed the most adult of the lot.

Modifié par Ceridraen, 19 février 2010 - 03:43 .

[AKALoki]

Karmianna wrote...

AKALoki wrote...

I can understand the amount of resources necessary to develop branching dialog for multiple romance options and I understand working against a deadline trying to put those options together. It's not unrealistic to consider the possibility that romantic entanglements might need to be put on hold for a period of time while you tend to other business. It happens with the military all the time. However, I think our hosts should seriously consider the amount of flack they're receiving on the issue and act accordingly on future expansions. I would think the goal of selling more games would be best served by providing what the players desire and it's evident that romance opportunities are a significant part of those expectations. Assuring continuity of events and actions would go a long way in assuring repeat customers. That being said, I'll buy the expansion regardless because despite short falls in expectations, Bioware is still the best game in town.

Wow what a concept give the customer what they ask for. Do you really think it will work?

We have no way of knowing. No one has ever tried it before...

[Kakimori]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from.

I suppose you've never heard of a game called 'Throne of Bhaal'?

[Dick Delaware]

Uh... Hordes of the Underdark was released after Throne of Bhaal. Jesus, don't tell the guy who works for the damn company what products THEY made. I'm pretty sure he's up to date on that.

[Kakimori]

If he were up to date on it, he would know where the bloody expectation came from.