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[Dick Delaware]

He said Hordes of the Underdark was the last expansion BioWare did. He never said that Throne of Bhaal didn't come from BioWare.

[SDNcN]

Kakimori wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Awakening is an expansion pack - like "Hordes of the Underdark", the last one we did. Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). I'm glad we can finally clear that up because people were assuming that in Awakening we were carrying all of the romances forward. I don't know where that expectation came from.

I suppose you've never heard of a game called 'Throne of Bhaal'?

David Gaider wrote...

The Woldan wrote...
@ David Gaider
I
like to think of Awakening like Baldurs Gate II expansion Throne of
Bhaal, it was fairly short, the storyline was dense, the action was
marvelous, level design outstanding, OST fabulous, overall atmosphere
and setting exciting. Each hour of TOB was worth three hours of the
original Baldurs Gate II. As far as I remember play time was around 20
hours which was IMO perfect.

I really hope Awakening will play a similar role.

Whereas I would say that Throne of Bhaal was massively oversized
for an expansion. Definitely worth the value, without question, but if
you're using that as your baseline then you are probably raising your
expectations a bit high. Throne of Bhaal was originally intended to be
BG3.

http://social.biowar...75446/8#1073829

Throne of Bhaal was originally intended to be a Baldur's Gate 3, which  is probably why Baudoin uses "Hordes of the Underdark" as an example of an expansion instead of Throne of Baal. That title had more content than what Bioware considers to be an expansion.

Modifié par SDNcN, 19 février 2010 - 06:09 .

[Kakimori]

I included that first sentence for reference, not because I was refuting the obviously true point that Hordes of the Underdark was the last expansion they did. If it helps, read the quote again while omitting that first sentence. He's trying to assert that it's incredibly rare for expansions to continue romances from the original, so WHERE oh WHERE could we have gotten the idea that 'the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate II' would do so?

We got the idea from PLAYING BALDUR'S GATE II, AND ITS EXPANSION.

Re SDNcN: Nonetheless, Throne of Bhaal was. an. expansion.  And it's obviously why we expected romances to continue.  As the good man from the company seemed not to grasp that, I wanted to bring it to his attention.

Modifié par Kakimori, 19 février 2010 - 06:09 .

[Thor Rand Al]

So let me get this straight. In Awakenings our romances are recognized but we can't continue them? The only thing that's getting imported is your character n whatever armour etc you have in your inventory that's not dlc? If this is true then what's the problem? I never really expected my female warden to (who btw married Alistair) to continue having tent fun etc lol. For 1 it wouldn't be fair for those other player's who sought out romances from the other companions like Lel n Zev, it's already been said that they aren't going to be in Awakenings, (they did say that right lol?) As long as it's recognized n were still married in the game n they didn't marry Alistair off to Anora I'm tickled pink lol.

No one knows what bioware has planned for the future, they may make an expansion that reunites everyone, who knows. At least you get to import your character, that seems more important then anything else n at least your relationships are acknowleged. As far as continuing them that would be a lil difficult if you romanced Lel or Zev if they aren't going to be in the exp.

[GreenSoda]

Thor Rand Al wrote...
No one knows what bioware has planned for the future, they may make an expansion that reunites everyone, who knows. At least you get to import your character, that seems more important then anything else n at least your relationships are acknowleged. As far as continuing them that would be a lil difficult if you romanced Lel or Zev if they aren't going to be in the exp.

I guess the disappointment stems from the fact that many fans actually expected most -if not all- companions from DA:O to return and with them the continuation of their storylines -including romances.

As fan you don't ask yourself "What can I expect from an expansion ?", you ask "What do I want from an expansion ?" -obviously discarding almost all of your companions wasn't what most fans wanted.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 19 février 2010 - 08:49 .

[Kakimori]

We could not only want, but reasonably have expected to have companions come back...they did in ToB.

[elearon1]

>>Most romances in original campaigns don't carry forward into expansion packs (in fact, almost none do). <<



I played this game recently called Mass Effect 2, and while I didn't get much expansion of my relationships from the first game (aside form Tali and Garrus, that is) it did recognize them and from what has been said it appears as though those are going to be important in ME3 ... So it is not as though this were an alien concept to Bioware ...



The fact that there won't be any romance in the expansion - with old or new characters - really puts me on the fence as to whether or not I'll purchase it ... after all, weren't they hyping the fact that you'll be able to bring your old character over with the consequences of their actions playing a role in the game? So what they actually meant was the consequences of - some - decisions and not even some of those the players will be most interested in seeing.



I seriously cannot imagine why Bioware keeps doing this "ditch your friends" stunt and I'm getting rather sick of it.



Bad on you Bioware.

[Zelda Uzikua]

I know I shouldn't say this, but I think Bioware has a screw loose somewhere, I mean it's so retarded of them to remove almost EVERYTHING. If any other company made this game they would keep so many things that Bioware is throwing out, in my opinion this isn't an expansion, it's junk that's what it is. Really I don't even know why i'm trying, like Bioware even cares or is going to listen. But they are probably going to get into trouble one day for the crap they have been pulling.

I'm really starting to think that they don't give a shi* about the costumers and just about the money

Modifié par Zelda Uzikua, 19 février 2010 - 09:11 .

[0ts0]

This expansion seems to be awesome sauce in almost every aspect, however...



- dlc items won't be exported

- if you start new char; DA:O choices are set from start? (I wish you could choose what happened without importing char from DA:O)

- No romances. Okay, it's cheezy already, but srsly... there should at least be some naughty scenes? No? No Bordello with nugs and tranny-dwarves? Aww... /cut wrist

- 40 USD. Sorry guys, this is way steep for a "15hrs adventure". I completed original which as supposed to be over 100hrs in much lesser time... Won't do with 40USD. 20USD is more like it.

[Sabriana]

While the female romance of NWN didn't carry over into SoU and HotU (and I for one, am grateful for that) the companions did, at least for the first part of HotU. Deekin even carried over into all of HotU if the player so decided. Aribeth also carried into HotU. I was glad to see Deekin (SoU) Tomy, Linu, Sharwyn, et al back. And seeing that Aribeth was one of the male PCs romance option (In a way), she did come back in HotU. So she was a ghost, what of it?

Not to mention that HotU had the most delicious romance option for women players, ever. At least imo.
As far as conflicts go, there are GWs who didn't romance anyone, or got dumped, or their chosen sacrificed himself. So that would not be a problem.

As far as being unfaithful to your DA:O romance goes, yeah, it could be a conflict, but my PC romanced both, Alistair and Zevran, until Zevran called her on the carpet and made her choose. Why not put something similar in DA2 if the Origins romances carry forward into it? It's not really that hard. I'm no script wizard, even in the largest sense, but even I could make a module for NWN2, including scripts, WPs, and flags.

I know NWN2 is Obsidian, btw. I just mentioned it because I can't build anything for DA:O. The toolset and my computer dislike one another, and very much so.

Romances are an integral part of a good RPG game, as far as I'm concerned. It elevates the game considerably, at least from a RPG point of view. I do hope they don't pull another Haer Da'lis on people. I hated that with a passion. I guess I'll have to wait, watch, read up, and see.

Modifié par Sabriana, 19 février 2010 - 09:21 .

[Daneres]

Bratt1204 wrote...

supersims796 wrote...



screw Alistair,

Would love to.

Me too! No question!

[Daneres]

Karmianna wrote...

I would like to hope they add the romance back in the game, it made for some fun undertones. I liked the the way Liiliana would giggle when you clicked her, and how about when she sings that sweet song. Those are nice little touches that add a certain quality to the game that make more of an experience than a hack and sack game.

I think so too. I loved Dragon Age a great deal, simply because there was the romance option. You don't see it in many games, it's like you said, hack and sack. It made me appreciate the world of Dragon Age a lot more. Though I still wish you could have Teagan somehos, lol. Don't know why, but...

[Wayshuba]

I have to agree with a few posts here. The decision on the romances (which is an integral part of the storyline and suspension of belief) and the DLC violates, for me at least, the number one thing I held in high regard for Bioware, the story. This is NOT, by an stretch of the imagination, an expansion in that regard. All we are doing is importing stats but completely disrupting the continuity of story.



The EA influence is beginning to show at Bioware as far as I am concerned.

[Daneres]

shedevil3001 wrote...

lol i think anything they can charge you extras for they will next we will have to pay to have companions :{

I hope not! That would make me extremely angry!

[spottyblanket]

It is nice to see the people on here are romantics and not just in it for the gaming.

[Thor Rand Al]

GreenSoda wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...
No one knows what bioware has planned for the future, they may make an expansion that reunites everyone, who knows. At least you get to import your character, that seems more important then anything else n at least your relationships are acknowleged. As far as continuing them that would be a lil difficult if you romanced Lel or Zev if they aren't going to be in the exp.

I guess the disappointment stems from the fact that many fans actually expected most -if not all- companions from DA:O to return and with them the continuation of their storylines -including romances.

As fan you don't ask yourself "What can I expect from an expansion ?", you ask "What do I want from an expansion ?" -obviously discarding almost all of your companions wasn't what most fans wanted.

Ya but they have been saying for a while now that you won't be able to bring your companions over.  There will be 1 returning character and a lot of people have been speculating for a while now that it's gonna be Oghren.  So them not bringing the whole group back isn't a shock if you've been kind of keeping up with the devs.  I catch glimpses here n there from Bioware n they have said not everyone's going into Awakenings.   When the announcement of Awakenings first came out we weren't sure if even our character would be making the transition over there, which I'm glad they are doing.
The way it's sounding they will be adding plenty of stuff to keep our minds occupied from not being able to have our companions with us.  You get to choose whose going through the ritual n you can deploy troops plus looks like you might possibly get a keep too n who knows what else they got planned.  I'm looking forward to it, n yes I'm very glad I get to bring my character from DA:O over n my relationships are recognized. 

[Daneres]

Karmianna wrote...

Me to, Im just sad to not have another imaginary person to have pretend cyber sex with in between killing Dark spawn and listening to Wynne spout off about how she has learned that when life crushes your pet nug you make spam!

I'm upset about no new romances too. I could see it if you're character and their love from the first are still together (cheating a big turn off) but I was hoping to start out as a new Orlesian Grey Warden and find a little something-something along the way. That Anders guy looks pretty cute. Sadly, I remain disappointed. I just hope they rectify this no-romance thing in future expansions and games. It was my favorite part of the game, to be honest.

[Daneres]

shedevil3001 wrote...

yep its the romance and the companions thats got me irritated every game does that they lose all the companions in the expansions and give you new ones instead of just losing 1 or 2 and adding new companions. Why do they always do that, let you get attacthed to them then snatch them all away its so evil

Isn't it? Especially Alistair. My Dalish Elf didn't keep him off the throne and run off into the sunset with him just to have him forget her existence in the expansion. I really hope it isn't the case, since he does make an appearance. I will also miss Leliana. She's a sweetheart and I liked my conversations with her in the game, both as a guy and a girl. Morrigan, well, I never did care for Morrigan from the beginning, so if I never see her again I won't weep over it.

[Daneres]

shedevil3001 wrote...

i wish there had been more human stories to play not just human noble that was a bit dissapointing

I thought that too, actually. I mean, let's face it, not every human in Ferelden is a noble. It just wasn't realistic. Though, maybe they made it so, so that you could have a girl who could actually marry Alistair if you made him the king at the end of the game.

[Daneres]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

I'm wondering, they said there will be no romance, but does that just mean the player won't be able to get in a new romance, or will we see a romance between two NPCs?

Who wants to see that? Well I guess since my PC will be forbidden from having a love-life than I guess she needs to resort to 'watching'.<_<

They've implied that other party members can develop romances with each other, which peeves me a little if I were to start anew as the Orlesian.

[Sabriana]

It's not as if they hadn't done that before, hence my reference to the Haer Da'lis situation. He was one of the best male NPCs, imo, but the only romance with him was between him and another NPC. It was hard to watch, let me tell you. I guess I'm still bitter about it, after all those years.

Modifié par Sabriana, 19 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Daneres]

Wolfaura wrote...

I feel disapointed about the expansion too. I played through the game once and got a happy ending and then I heard about the expansion and I thought yay like my epilogue said I'll get to go on more adventures with Alistair and we will rebuild the grey wardens together. I made Anora queen instead of Alistair so my Dalish elf could have a happy ending and not just be the kings bit on the side.
And I think she makes a better queen anyway and wants to be be ruler more.

Then when I heard Oghren was actually the returning character I was like WTF!?? It should be Alistair, he's the one that would want to come with me and help rebuild like my epilogue says and he'd be able to since he's not king in my game. My story isn't continuing like I thought it would

I don't want Oghren to be my companion instead of Alistair. I hate that fact and feel really disapointed. I don't hate Oghren, I just would rather have Alistair than that stinky dwarf.
I feel like it's broken the story, don't know if I want to play the expansion now. If I get really bored I might but what's the point in playing my character?? If the story is stuffed. I may as well make a new Grey warden and the game is no longer unique and just another generic RPG that doesn't really continue.

It seems like any game EA gets their hands on gets stuffed.(Such as Sims 3 and Earth and Beyond) Games are good until that company joins in. They end up introducing lots of dlc to try and make extra money. I think they will make new dlc that you prob can only use in the expansion and no where else. EA is kind of like Herren from Wades Emporium.( The guy that's more about profit than making a quality product)

I hope they follow up with the way you had your original experience end. I, too, played a female Dalish Elf and had her run off with Alistair in the end to rebuild the Grey Wardens (even though being a Warden royally sucks when you think about all of the ways that tainted blood messes you up - it was the only way he stays with you forever, according to the epilogue, never leaves your side, however). But when I watched the videos for Awakening, the Awakening video and the Anders video, Alistair is the king and he's coming to you for aid. I hope they don't just erase the fact that you didn't make him king and he never left your side, but once, to honor Duncan in his homeland. That would ****** me off.

[Daneres]

shedevil3001 wrote...

no hair no starfang no clothes i'm totally gutted blummin mods and dlc came back n bit me in the bum and no alistair either man i got the short straw

I agree. No Alistair is going to be very difficult. I liked how he was always there to make my character laugh and, well, of course the other thing. He just better not meet someone new while my girl is off saving the world - again! lol I'd kill him myself.

[Daneres]

shedevil3001 wrote...

true enough if there were more rpg games that were decent then maybe we could say to hell with this crap but unfortunatly there isnt alot else so we either play this and be dissapointed or play some other crap and be even more dissapointed hmmmm

Ooh! I completely agree. RPG games seriously lack in quality these days. That's why I was so enthralled with Dragon Age. So I will buy this expansion, regardless. Hell, I bought a brand new computer that could support the games that come out these days, so I'm going to use it.

[Daneres]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

Proposition_Joe wrote...

Agree, Max....but i dont know how much that really concerns them , they know people will buy their products anyway.

Of coarse they don't care. THEY KILLED YOUR DOG!

That pisses me off too. Where is my dog? He's supposed to stay with you for life? What happened to him? I loved my little Whisper (or Phantom, if I was a guy). Next to Alistair, he was my favorite party member.