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[stobie]

I can live with it, I guess, assuming they don't just ignore or break up the relationships we've made to this point. I hated the idea of new ones. But really, it was that element that kept me playing - I hope they've done a lot with inter-party relationships, instead. On my elf woman, I got surprisingly attached to the romance. When I made a elf man (I didn't like the woman's ending - thank you so much, Bioware, for the sucker-punch there!) - I didn't care much about the romance. I didn't think he'd like either Morrigan or Leliana much. But it will be harder for my girl.

[kith1066]

ladydesire wrote...

Morroian wrote...

This is an expansion and continuation of DAO not DAO 2 so IMHO its perfectly reasonable to hink that DLC loot would carry over especially given loot from the core game carries over.

As nice as some of the DLC armors are, I don't see them as being important enough for people to not buy an expansion over if they aren't able to import them. After all, aren't they optional content, rather than something that is critical to have to play the game?

The biggest problem is this means what you do in DA:A is also probably meaningless to any other future "expansions" or DLC.  I personally find this an unacceptable pattern of behavior.  If this were a full sequel, I would be more understanding, but it makes me wary of purchasing any future BioWare products before there's substantial community review (i.e. no more pre-orders).

[frostajulie]

I Play the game repeatedly mainly for the romances and the relationships forged with the characters. This doesn't sound like an expansion it sounds like a new game that cuts out the heart of the original. I am not buying this. I am happy with my characters and their outcomes with the game as is. None of my characters would leave without Zev at their backs either as lover or best friend. The DLC is not an issue for me since I will not be purchasing this expansion. You can;t make a game whose heart is the relationships between characters and PC and characters and each other and then create an expansion that completely ignores that. Well, you can, but a lot of people won't want to play it. Take the time to do it right and keep the heart intact or don't do it at all. Don't cannibalize the original product DA:O is special because of the characters. It seems so very wrong to ignore that.

[click2kill]

ladydesire wrote...

Morroian wrote...

This is an expansion and continuation of DAO not DAO 2 so IMHO its perfectly reasonable to hink that DLC loot would carry over especially given loot from the core game carries over.

As nice as some of the DLC armors are, I don't see them as being important enough for people to not buy an expansion over if they aren't able to import them. After all, aren't they optional content, rather than something that is critical to have to play the game?

You spend between $12-27 for the DLC for Origins.  With the latter value, that is similar to buying an expansion for other games.  With Awakening coming out, Bioware just said "We thank you for your money, but you won't be able to use your purchase with our new 'expansion' ". 

This isn't a mod or a custom job, people paid real money for the stuff in the DLC, and now it isn't compatible with an 'expansion'.  If Awakening was a stand-alone game, I think people would see this differently.  But the way they are going about it makes me wonder if they really want to continue to have good DLC sales. 

And $40 for an expansion that requires the core game is absurd no matter who you put it. 

[stobie]

I'd rather they took this direction than just go ahead & break up the relationships we've built - but it's this content that kept me playing, well past the point where I'd have gotten sick of the 'pause-set everyone up, move to another party member just when my warrior gets a killing blow' style. I hope they'll do a good job with the non-romantic party member elements in this expansion, but I can't say that I'm as excited about it as I might have been, had my elf been able to continue and deepen her Alastair relationship. I understand that it wouldn't have worked well, since there were so many options. (and with Morrigan, I guess, out of the picture) Maybe they just created something bigger than they expected. I don't know, but I can understand why people would be disappointed. I am, too.

[FreezaSama]

Memtndude wrote...

You people are going way overboard. You purchased DLC for Dragon Age Origins, not Awakenings. So you can't be that mad. I don't see how you're so mad about something that hasn't even come out yet. Why don't you give it a chance and then it if makes you mad then don't purchase anymore Bioware/EA products, ever.

I'm not really mad. I'd use the word annoyed. In either case, I'm not going to spend $40 on a product which lacks what I feel are some vital features to Bioware's specific type of RPG. There's a difference between an honest attempt to support a game with new content, and a blatant cash-grab. This, I fear, is the latter.

[partench]

I am disappointed, I have to admit. It is almost like they didn't even look at what aspects the players all enjoyed. From a technical RPG monsters, treasures, and leveling perspective, this game was solid. BUT, and this is a BIG but....the thing that really worked for this game was the story, the characters, the relationships you built with them, the TIME you put in to build those relationships, and so forth. To have many of them completely disappear is really shocking. I do NOT want this feeling like the played out Final Fantasy games where pretty much every character changes.



I like my own character, but I do like the aspects of the DLC items too! What did we pay for that DLC for? Just to take a quick look at it and never be able to use it again?



Having new characters in the story is important, but to eliminate many of the ones we knew really blows.

I can only hope that there are going to be many sequels and that some of the original characters are going to have chances to return at points. Otherwise, we're just playing the same old game....kill, treasure, level....not building relationships that can carry through many adventures.



I hope the game devs can read this.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

There's still time before Awakening comes out so maybe the devs will change their mind on cutting the dlc out.

Modifié par Solostran85, 15 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[FreezaSama]

Solostran85 wrote...

There's still time before Awakening comes out so maybe the devs will change their mind on cutting the dlc out.

Doubt it. That's really more of a technical issue they just don't have time to solve. I'd say the lack of romances is the bigger disappointment.

[Sergeant Si]

At the end of the day most peoples problems with this expansion seem to be the loss of relationships from DAO and theDLC items.  I think we should give this expansion a chance, in all probability the main reason that these aspects were abandoned was most likly one of size and programing ability.  We seem to forget that these days games like DAO are avaliable to a much wider audience due to the rise of console gaming over pc gaming.  On a console game with the size restrictions of the discs used and the memory restrictions of the consoles themselves it is imposable for Bioware to include everything there were so many choices in DAO including three posable romance options for each character and various different ending scenarios.  If this game were only a pc game it would be possable for al this to be included as all the choces and varie items in the game would be saved on your harddrive, on a console however this is simply not the case there are space retrictions with even the biggest Xbox360 hard drive being smaller than the majority of pcs especially one geared towards showcasing DAO.  If like myself you are a console gamer over a Pc gamer then you would never be able to experience the sort of expansion that say Baldurs Gate had because on the hardware avaliable it couldnt be done.  To give everyone what they want would mean a pc exclusive nd that would alinate many gamers such as myself who have been with Bioware since the days of Balders Gate and dont have the time or money to constantly upgrade there PCs.   Console gaming has become a much more acepted hobby and today many new realeased games are realeased on all formats in order to attract as wide an audience as possable.  As much as I enjoyed DAO and loved the charactor interactions and relationships, Indeed my first male mage was involved in a love triangle with Zevran Leliana and Morragan, I enjoyed experiencing this play out and was happy that at the end the game told me that Zevran stayed by my side forever (Although I only pursued Zevran because the game forbade me chasing Alastair lol).  I recognise however that many people will not have made these choices and for any future game or expnsion to be able too take all the choices in to account it would just not be possable, as a result whilst I enjoyed the charactor relationships I will hapially sacrifice them to enjoy further adventures in this superb game world.  

One last thing for all the people upset that they made the ultimate sacrifice and thet will be ignored the solution is simple.  If you respect that choice so much then simply begin playing as the new Orliesion Gray Warden.  Bioware have given us this option to respect our choices after all if your charactor made the ultimate sacrifice noones forcing you to keep playing as him or her simply begin anew also this removes all other problems as a new warden would have no DLC items or affiliation to old party members.  Sorry about te length of this post its just I wanted to make a point and remind everyone that Bioware almost always do a good job and we should cut them some slack I for one am really looking forward to continuing my DA experience.       

[Mass Fraud]

Valmy wrote...

What if the new allies and new items are great and we won't miss the old ones?

Well I have a question to this.
What about people who play the game solely for the "rpg" element of it? There are those players who disign their characters around they way they like, weather it be the look or statistics, it would effect them..... as far as DLC is concerned. Role Players may have built their entire character around some of this
DLC and to have it removed for no apparent reason is absurd.

Modifié par Mass Fraud, 15 février 2010 - 07:21 .

[WilliamShatner]

Valmy wrote...

What if the new allies and new items are great and we won't miss the old ones?

Holy ****! It's Casey Hudson!

[TuringPoint]

Umm....



Over in the FAQ thread...

David Gaider wrote...



Just regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you -- recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large (and this applies to things outside of romances, as well).

[dan107]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Valmy wrote...

What if the new allies and new items are great and we won't miss the old ones?

Holy ****! It's Casey Hudson!

LMAO! That was my first thought when I read that post too -- that that's a dev posting undercover.

[Ceridraen]

The new items - I can accept that. I assume we'll get new, better gear right away. (right?) New allies - I expect they'll be good, well done, etc. But don't expect us to drop the old ones 'just because.'

[Sabriana]

I do play because of RPing, character development, interpersonal relationships, and yes, romance. Acknowledged romance is not enough. My dumped mage, and my new Warden have no romance to look back on for example. I heard that the companions will have deeper relationships, why can't the Warden?

If I want to just kill things, and have little character development, I load up a FPS/TPS.

I never planned on buying this exp right away, and I am glad to say that I have come to this resolution early on, before hearing all this. What made me back away initially was the high price. Now I'll definitely wait for extensive feedback from those who will buy the exp, and from reviews.

[Ceridraen]

I have to say, it will be on the weird side if our allies are getting the romance, & our PCs are just sitting there holding a picture of an absent loved one. When you make a character, it has to have a little bit of you in it. Even if you make one of the other gender, it's something of what you like, find interesting, etc. Therefore - who cares what the allies are up to? I hadn't thought of it that way - but really, I'm not watching a movie here. I'm in the movie. You don't do a video game to be a side character.

[spottyblanket]

Well you can't fit all the allies in. I kinda expected that tbh, its like a whole new adventure. I don't mind the equipment going either. I'm one of the rare few. But I like to start out with nothing than get more later. 0_0;;

[Vuokseniska]

Why would people think it is rushed? Dragon age was delayed and they prolly had awakenings already set up while they sorted out the minor things in orgins. And the other hand if you play the orlesian you could prolly select in the story what happened by an npc stating something like do you remember the time that (select enora/allister/ or both) took the crown and marched to denerim with (select forces) where the warden sacrificed himself to save ferelden?



then the whole plot saved for all those dead wardens.



and the DLC loot and non continued romances are just silly that i don't want to give answer to that



(OMG. I MADE LOGICS ON DA INTERNETZ)

[Forteg]

Im slightly disappointed with the DAO romances not continuing into DAA, but maybe they will return in some future expansion? I hope so anyway as the romances were a big part of my main characters story. Im not that fussed about the DLC items, as the PS3 version of RTO isnt even out yet and it seems it is not worth buying now if the items just disappear in DAA, il just watch gameplay of it on youtube or something..

[dan107]

Vuokseniska wrote...
and the DLC loot and non continued romances are just silly that i don't want to give answer to that

(OMG. I MADE LOGICS ON DA INTERNETZ)

That logic is, indeed, foolproof. I'm convinced.:innocent:

[spottyblanket]

If the romances contiune...well, what then? Marriage? 0_o It isn;t exciting and fresh as a new romance...

[Maedryc]

Vuokseniska wrote...

Why would people think it is rushed? Dragon age was delayed and they prolly had awakenings already set up while they sorted out the minor things in orgins. And the other hand if you play the orlesian you could prolly select in the story what happened by an npc stating something like do you remember the time that (select enora/allister/ or both) took the crown and marched to denerim with (select forces) where the warden sacrificed himself to save ferelden?

then the whole plot saved for all those dead wardens.

and the DLC loot and non continued romances are just silly that i don't want to give answer to that

(OMG. I MADE LOGICS ON DA INTERNETZ)

logic: a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.
So, don't worry, you didn't. But I'd say your post fits the example to a T.

Modifié par Maedryc, 15 février 2010 - 10:10 .

[Ceridraen]

spottyblanket wrote...

If the romances contiune...well, what then? Marriage? 0_o It isn;t exciting and fresh as a new romance...

That depends on the marriage.