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[Costin_Razvan]

Yeah....Cauthrien is just a zealot.

[jpdipity]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I overheard a conversation about him (i think in the gnawed noble) in which one noble said to another it would have been better if he died in the war, because thats when he truly did die.

War changes people, i guess.

He saw his father and his own troops die before his eyes at that bloody battle of White River. Where the Chevalier massacred his father's troops.

The codex states that his father fought with the Orlesians.  He fell to the Cousland's at Harper's Ford during the occupation and was hung.  Rendon Howe then joined forces with the rebels and fought with Bryce Cousland at White River.

So, according to the codex, Rendon's father was dead long before White River. 

Is there another reference that states differently?  I know that there are a few conflicting pieces of infomation within the game and/or books.

Regardless, I understand why a Howe would harber a grudge against the Couslands. 

[Costin_Razvan]

I did not know that. Was some time since I read the books and I just assumed he and Bryce fought side by side and he saw his father die.

Regardless. Now I understand why he hates the Couslands so much. It isn't just the fact they killed his uncle, and perhaps other relatives, but also because the Couslands remained in control of Highever while the Howes, ( Who gave a lot more in that war ), where basically shafted.

Can't say I blame him.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 07 mai 2010 - 02:22 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh..yeah. My bad.

[Fish_Eye_McGee]

He has a false sense of entitlement to more than his actions deserve.

[SheilaD67]

I thought the Couselands started as minor banns, but when the werewolf plague hit, they were the ones that actually helped - imposing curfews, pulling all resources together, etc. - to end the plague. Then the other banns swore fealty to them and THAT's how they got to be teryn.

[jpdipity]

Eva Galana wrote...

I thought the Couselands started as minor banns, but when the werewolf plague hit, they were the ones that actually helped - imposing curfews, pulling all resources together, etc. - to end the plague. Then the other banns swore fealty to them and THAT's how they got to be teryn.

Yes, something like that. 

Before that, the Couslands took control of Highever after Flemeth killed Conobar (per the legend).  Cousland was just the Captain of the Guard at the time - not a noble.  Cousland then declared independence from Amaranthine (which was run by cousins of the Howes).  A war broke out.  Couslands won their independence.

Then, the Couslands were elevated to Teryn over the whole werewolf thing.

The Howes are one of the oldest noble families in Fereldan.  The Cousland's have risen to a higher rank than the Howes, oftentimes, at the expense of the Howe family.

The history of conflicts between the Howes and Couslands runs very deep.

Modifié par jpdipity, 07 mai 2010 - 03:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Or so the legend goes that Conabar was killed by Flemeth. I am more inclined to believe Morrigan's version then Leliana's story.

[jpdipity]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Or so the legend goes that Conabar was killed by Flemeth. I am more inclined to believe Morrigan's version then Leliana's story.

Ahhh, yes, I forgot about Morrigan's version.  I'll change my post to reflect "per the legend" - Thanks! 

If I recall (not on my computer with all my screenshots) both stories tell of Flemeth killing Conobar though - I think the difference was the motivation behind his death, no?

Modifié par jpdipity, 07 mai 2010 - 03:24 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh wait...I confused Conobar with Comarc. My mistake.



In Morrigan's version the spirits summoned by Flemeth killed Conobar.

[jpdipity]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Oh wait...I confused Conobar with Comarc. My mistake.

In Morrigan's version the spirits summoned by Flemeth killed Conobar.

  - it's amazing we remember any of this stuff anyway.  It only took a million playthroughs and hundreds of screenshots...

[SchaerMann30]

Elhanan wrote...

I like making him feel uneasy by wishing him well in the HN Origin. Thus, he is not psychotic; just power hungry.

Sorry, had to address this. Psychopaths, and psychotics, feel emotions; it's sociopaths that cannot feel emotions. Howe can be power-hungry, psychotic, and feel uneasy; it's not contradictory. If he was sociopathic, however, the case could be made for what you're saying being true. Psychotics feel emotions, but they tend to be twisted and extreme compared to 'normal' emotions for people. Anger, pleasure from dealing pain and anguish to others, even Howe's statement of unfairness when you kill him finally, all point to a psychotic mind.

However, that is neither here nor there in this discussion, which is what his final words meant, and the backstory for him; I side-tracked a bit to make a point here, and now will return to letting the discussion flow.

[Willowhugger]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Yeah....Cauthrien is just a zealot.

What's hilarious is she's a commoner.

If I could mod my copy of Dragon Age: Awakenings, Mharie would be Ser Cauthrien.

That would be awesome.

[Emerald Melios]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I just want to slap Cauthrien. She has her head so far up Loghain's arse its hard to see where he ends and she begins. She has this whole "commoner looking down on others:" attitude with that "churl" thing. I can't wait to see what she calls my Lady Aeducan. If its "churl" she is SO going down at Howe's estate this time.

What's sad is when she tries to justify Loghain's actions. While she is correct that my Warden isn't exactly a saint, her feeble excuse for the Tevinter slavers was rather pathetic.

That being said, if you talked her out of the confrontation and arranged for Loghain to become a Grey Warden, it would've made sense for her to follow in his footsteps and undertake the Joining. It's too bad that contigency was never implemented.

[Daryn Mercio]

Sabriana wrote...

In the codex under characters (naturally) it says something like "Howe is disliked by nobles and commoners alike." and it also had some interestingly negative things to say about Howe's grandfather (or was that father?).

Edited:

This is from the wiki:
[...] Although he was decorated for valor by King Maric, Howe’s abrasive manners have earned him almost universal dislike among his peers. He has two children, Thomas and Delilah.

He has another son named Nathaniel though

[Willowhugger]

I always wondered.



Why make Nathaniel, why not just have Thomas show up?

[Patriciachr34]

Thomas died in the war.

[sylvanaerie]

Willowhugger wrote...

I always wondered.

Why make Nathaniel, why not just have Thomas show up?

And Nathaniel was SO much better than Thomas.  I think I read somewhere Thomas became a drunkard as well?  Delilah ended up better though she has a funny line when your HMN meets her with Nate.

[Inzhuna]

Thanks for interesting posts, SchaerMann30!

[Aisynia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

I always wondered.

Why make Nathaniel, why not just have Thomas show up?

And Nathaniel was SO much better than Thomas.  I think I read somewhere Thomas became a drunkard as well?  Delilah ended up better though she has a funny line when your HMN meets her with Nate.

Oh? Do elaborate please

[BigBad]

That was hilarious.



"So much better than that stuck-up Cousland boy Father kept trying to set me up with."

"I'm right here!"

"Oh, that was you, wasn't it? Awkward."

[Elhanan]

SchaerMann30 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

I like making him feel uneasy by wishing him well in the HN Origin. Thus, he is not psychotic; just power hungry.

Sorry, had to address this. Psychopaths, and psychotics, feel emotions; it's sociopaths that cannot feel emotions. Howe can be power-hungry, psychotic, and feel uneasy; it's not contradictory. If he was sociopathic, however, the case could be made for what you're saying being true. Psychotics feel emotions, but they tend to be twisted and extreme compared to 'normal' emotions for people. Anger, pleasure from dealing pain and anguish to others, even Howe's statement of unfairness when you kill him finally, all point to a psychotic mind.

However, that is neither here nor there in this discussion, which is what his final words meant, and the backstory for him; I side-tracked a bit to make a point here, and now will return to letting the discussion flow.

Thanks for the correction! Now back to smashing this lunatic....

[Chuvvy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

He's weevil.

So he's a beetle that destorys wheat feilds? That doesn't sound right.