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[Alandros]

It's not surprising she would have a shot at the throne based on her codex entry:

The only child of the war hero Loghain Mac Tir, Anora has never been one to stay quietly in the background. It is common knowledge that in the five years Anora and Cailan held the throne together, she was the one wielding the power. She is held in much higher esteem than her husband by the people of Ferelden, nobility and commoners alike, and commands the respect even of foreign nations, having once inspired Empress Celene of Orlais to declare, "Anora of Ferelden is a solitary rose among brambles."

[silverholly83]

Bratt1204 wrote...

...They do not mention the form of Monarchism that is recognized in Ferelden. So I assume it is the Fairy Tale Monarchy. 

I think it says in a codex entry that Ferelden's monarch goes before the Landsmeet to ask their permission for things and generally abides by their decisions. It makes me think of the germanic tribes. I think...it's been a while since my European history classes so I'd need to hunt down my notes to be 100% certian they're the ones I mean, heh.  The monarch is first among the teyrns but the power over the nation seems to stem from the Landsmeet's faith and trust.

OP: I really hope so, but like someone else said you get married 6mo after the archdemon dies so who knows. At the very least, since they said romances are referenced, I imagine any intimate conversation Alistair would have with your character would resemble his remarks during the Post-Coronation scene. He loves her and can't wait to spend time with her, but there'll be time for that after [insert main plot of Awakenings here]. Going to miss her, wishes things could have worked out differently, yadda yadda.  I imagine Anora'll prolly be just as cool, polite, and formal as she always was. Their marriage is a convenience/alliance building tactic, not love.

[Jeffonl1]

And we do not know Anora's mother: perhaps she has a royal ties

[shedevil3001]

nope rowan which is anoras mother i think was the daughter of arl rendon but i'm not finished reading the stolen throne so its not definate but thats who it looks like is anoras mother so far

[fluffyamoeba]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

fluffyamoeba wrote...
Other than being married to a dead monarch apparently giving you some right to the throne.

I think it's more like, being the daughter of a badass general no one dares to stand against gives you some right to being his puppet on the throne...

*stolen throne spoiler*


Earl Ammon considers putting himself forward as the candidate for king in origins and Alistair mentions that idea before you get to Redcliffe on the basis that he's Rowan's brother and Rowan was Maric's wife.

Which is even more tenuous than Anora's claim.

[Maria Caliban]

Tear_Coast wrote...

So if you married either Anora or Alistair how will people react to you in the expansion since you are technically King/Queen. Do you get any measure of power or are you just the same as before.

You're not king. You're prince-consort.

Jeffonl1 wrote...

And we do not know Anora's mother: perhaps she has a royal ties

She was a cabinetmaker’s daughter. Anora is not noble-blooded at all.

Bratt1204 wrote...

Seriously unrealistic. They do not mention the form of Monarchism that is recognized in Ferelden. So I assume it is the Fairy Tale Monarchy.

Hardly unrealistic. Cailan dies with no heirs, no known siblings, and no blood relations at all. The only other person who’s even close to the throne is Eamon, Cailan’s uncle, whose relation to the is also due to marriage as he’s Rowan’s brother. Who else is there?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[Witcha]

Considering that in all cases you will be in a position of power(as a Warden Commander and noble of Amaranthine) I don't see any major difference in whether you are King-consort/Queen. The only thing that would change would be the dialogue, with common folk addressing you with more respect and nobles/foreigners acknowledging your status.



Although it would be a good idea to add a couple of side quests related to your DAO ending. Still, I don't think Bioware went to that much effort.

[maxernst]

fluffyamoeba wrote...

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

fluffyamoeba wrote...
Other than being married to a dead monarch apparently giving you some right to the throne.

I think it's more like, being the daughter of a badass general no one dares to stand against gives you some right to being his puppet on the throne...

*stolen throne spoiler*


Earl Ammon considers putting himself forward as the candidate for king in origins and Alistair mentions that idea before you get to Redcliffe on the basis that he's Rowan's brother and Rowan was Maric's wife.

Which is even more tenuous than Anora's claim.

Yep, it definitely is by any succession laws that were ever run in our world.  But maybe that should be a clue that the succession laws in Ferelden are more like modern legal inheritance laws--if a man dies, his wife inherits? 

[maxernst]

fluffyamoeba wrote...

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

fluffyamoeba wrote...
Other than being married to a dead monarch apparently giving you some right to the throne.

I think it's more like, being the daughter of a badass general no one dares to stand against gives you some right to being his puppet on the throne...

*stolen throne spoiler*


Earl Ammon considers putting himself forward as the candidate for king in origins and Alistair mentions that idea before you get to Redcliffe on the basis that he's Rowan's brother and Rowan was Maric's wife.

Which is even more tenuous than Anora's claim.

Yep, it definitely is by any succession laws that were ever run in our world.  But maybe that should be a clue that the succession laws in Ferelden are more like modern legal inheritance laws--if a man dies, his wife inherits? 

[Bratt1204]

shedevil3001 wrote...

nope rowan which is anoras mother i think was the daughter of arl rendon but i'm not finished reading the stolen throne so its not definate but thats who it looks like is anoras mother so far

Rowan wasn't Anora's mother. 

[shedevil3001]

oh crap it looked that way from where i was upto in the book i havent finished it yet :{

[Bratt1204]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tear_Coast wrote...

So if you married either Anora or Alistair how will people react to you in the expansion since you are technically King/Queen. Do you get any measure of power or are you just the same as before.

You're not king. You're prince-consort.

Jeffonl1 wrote...

And we do not know Anora's mother: perhaps she has a royal ties

She was a cabinetmaker’s daughter. Anora is not noble-blooded at all.

Bratt1204 wrote...

Seriously unrealistic. They do not mention the form of Monarchism that is recognized in Ferelden. So I assume it is the Fairy Tale Monarchy.

Hardly unrealistic. Cailan dies with no heirs, no known siblings, and no blood relations at all. The only other person who’s even close to the throne is Eamon, Cailan’s uncle, whose relation to the is also due to marriage as he’s Rowan’s brother. Who else is there?

My comment on 'unrealistic' is that of a widowed Anora being allowed to rule Ferelden alone, being only a Princess-Consort of no true Noble blood. it would not have been allowed, that is what is unrealistic.

[Suilebhain]

shedevil3001 wrote...

nope rowan which is anoras mother i think was the daughter of arl rendon but i'm not finished reading the stolen throne so its not definate but thats who it looks like is anoras mother so far

Shedevil, this is off-topic (tried to message you but you seem to have messages turned off) but what Hair mod are you using?

[Suilebhain]

So far, my human male noble married Anora (I hated giving Alistair the shaft, but he was, in my character's eyes, unsuited to be king because of his flightiness) and became prince-consort/king-consort/whatever. I could see my character getting really PO'd with Anora for what she did to the elves and that might have led to a power struggle (he was a good guy).



My human female mage was not allowed to marry Alistair even though he loved her, so to the elf - it is not racism, it is classISM. However, she also maintained her relationship with Leliana so when the opportunity to hit the road and see some of these places Leli and Zev talked about came she took it, along with the title and riches. I wonder who got Highever....

[shedevil3001]

http://www.dragonagenexus.com/







thats where i get all my mods they have some amazing stuff

[L33tuberpwner]

I want to be able to call Loghain ''dad'' haha.

[Suilebhain]

shedevil3001 wrote...

http://www.dragonagenexus.com/
thats where i get all my mods they have some amazing stuff

Heheh, no, I meant, which one specifically. I (practically) live at the Nexus, between Oblivion, Fallout and Dragon age.

[Suilebhain]

L33tuberpwner wrote...

I want to be able to call Loghain ''dad'' haha.

I just wanted to call him "dead". In my male human noble, though, I wanted to be king and figured that killing my future father-in-law was not the way to do it.

[Alandros]

L33tuberpwner wrote...

I want to be able to call Loghain ''dad'' haha.

It is quite funny when you do call him that, well you get to call him father-in-law that is.

[Alandros]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tear_Coast wrote...

So if you married either Anora or Alistair how will people react to you in the expansion since you are technically King/Queen. Do you get any measure of power or are you just the same as before.

You're not king. You're prince-consort.

Jeffonl1 wrote...

And we do not know Anora's mother: perhaps she has a royal ties

She was a cabinetmaker’s daughter. Anora is not noble-blooded at all.

Bratt1204 wrote...

Seriously unrealistic. They do not mention the form of Monarchism that is recognized in Ferelden. So I assume it is the Fairy Tale Monarchy.

Hardly unrealistic. Cailan dies with no heirs, no known siblings, and no blood relations at all. The only other person who’s even close to the throne is Eamon, Cailan’s uncle, whose relation to the is also due to marriage as he’s Rowan’s brother. Who else is there?

My comment on 'unrealistic' is that of a widowed Anora being allowed to rule Ferelden alone, being only a Princess-Consort of no true Noble blood. it would not have been allowed, that is what is unrealistic.

How is it unrealistic?  Nobility is established and gained through power and influence.  Kings and Queens don't originate from dust, they take that power because they can.  Anora in this case is respected and it is common knowledge (as said by the Codex entry) by her people and other nations that she was the one that actually ruled and on top of that she is a respected ruler.  Hence Cailan dies and people still think of her as their ruler, that's what matters.  Noble blood only matters during the status quo, when a king is dead and the nation is in civil war with an impending blight beginning to overcome them it is hardly the status quo.  Whoever at that point can consolidate power gets it, noble blood counts for only so much in this situation.

[shedevil3001]

Suilebhain wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

http://www.dragonagenexus.com/
thats where i get all my mods they have some amazing stuff

Heheh, no, I meant, which one specifically. I (practically) live at the Nexus, between Oblivion, Fallout and Dragon age.

more hair styles its called i think

Modifié par shedevil3001, 23 février 2010 - 04:46 .

[Suilebhain]

Thanks, Shedevil. You're a peach!

[shedevil3001]

your welcome glad i could help

[JamieCOTC]

If you are King, you are a figurehead, albeit a powerful one.  Still, Anora is the real power. Like King Calin (sp) I don't see any problem w/ the Prince Consort going out and doing battle. If you are the Queen, you are still a figurehead. However if you stay behind to advise Alister you are the power behind the throne.  Taking the Princess Consort away from the throne could either turn Fereldon upsidedown politically or force Alister into becoming a better king on his own.  I doubt it will really play any real importance in the game, but it is fun to speculate.

[Bratt1204]

Alandros wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tear_Coast wrote...

So if you married either Anora or Alistair how will people react to you in the expansion since you are technically King/Queen. Do you get any measure of power or are you just the same as before.

You're not king. You're prince-consort.

Jeffonl1 wrote...

And we do not know Anora's mother: perhaps she has a royal ties

She was a cabinetmaker’s daughter. Anora is not noble-blooded at all.

Bratt1204 wrote...

Seriously unrealistic. They do not mention the form of Monarchism that is recognized in Ferelden. So I assume it is the Fairy Tale Monarchy.

Hardly unrealistic. Cailan dies with no heirs, no known siblings, and no blood relations at all. The only other person who’s even close to the throne is Eamon, Cailan’s uncle, whose relation to the is also due to marriage as he’s Rowan’s brother. Who else is there?

My comment on 'unrealistic' is that of a widowed Anora being allowed to rule Ferelden alone, being only a Princess-Consort of no true Noble blood. it would not have been allowed, that is what is unrealistic.

How is it unrealistic?  Nobility is established and gained through power and influence.  Kings and Queens don't originate from dust, they take that power because they can.  Anora in this case is respected and it is common knowledge (as said by the Codex entry) by her people and other nations that she was the one that actually ruled and on top of that she is a respected ruler.  Hence Cailan dies and people still think of her as their ruler, that's what matters.  Noble blood only matters during the status quo, when a king is dead and the nation is in civil war with an impending blight beginning to overcome them it is hardly the status quo.  Whoever at that point can consolidate power gets it, noble blood counts for only so much in this situation.

You are missing my point. This is a game, not reality. What I am stating is in reality, In a Monarchy when laws of succession exist: Anora would never have been allowed to rule alone - being of questionable Noble blood and not being Queen-Regent, her claim to the Throne is too weak.  The next in line after Cailan would have been a male Cousland (not including Alistair of course who has a direct right the Throne -not- Anora) due to Anora and Cailan having no children. The Couslands are of much older Noble blood than Loghain Mac Tir and have a much stronger claim to the Throne than Anora. The Monarchy and Laws of Succession are NOT a popularity contest, as in a Democracy. It matters not how popular you are - it is only about birthright and what laws of succession are recognized. If you recall - who was ruling Orzammar after the King Endin Aeducan died? It was not his widowed wife was it? She may have been very popular as well but she would never have been allowed to rule Orzammar on her own. Who was bidding for the Throne there? The next line: Prince Belen and Lord Harrowmont. 'Nuff said.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 24 février 2010 - 12:05 .