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The epilogue slide show always refers to the warden as prince-consort or princess-consort if the warden marries anora or alistair respectively. Anora will also correct a male warden to whom she is engaged if he tells her in the epilogue that he can't wait to be king. She'll correct him and say that actually he'll be a prince consort, even if that's perhaps a technicality.



Nevertheless at the end of the Landsmeet, Anora will already have proclaimed a male warden that she is about to marry as "My husband, the king consort, general of my armies, and the hero who will save Ferelden from this blight." She also will have ordered the nobles present at the Landsmeet to "gather your forces and await the king consort's command". Finally the Landsmeet quest completion entry in the journal will refer to the male noble warden as "king consort". So there's a bit of inconsistency in the game regarding the title that's used for your character if he or she marries the new ruler.



Anora is clearly worried that her new husband will use his popularity, his formidable powerbase, and the fact that he's her husband to strip her of power. Her dialogs clearly demonstrate this . And she has good reason. There is no greater threat to a ruler than a heroic general who is wildly popular both with the people and also with the troops he's lead. And her hold on power at the end of Blight is anything but solid.



She was born a commoner, he was born to the most prestigous family in the land next to the King himself. She's the daughter of a warhero from 30 years ago who has just been executed for treason and selling his own people into slavery. The warden is the war hero who just saved every man, woman & child in Fereldan from certain death. Where the former King had died in battle against the Darkspawn, her father battled the other nobles to increase his own power while the Darkspawn gobbled up the Kingdom, and she sat around twiddling her thumbs plotting to depose her father, the warden unified Ferelden against the blight, brought in outside allies, and then lead the men, elves, dwarves, etc.. that fought under him to victory and possibly even slaying the archdemon himself and surviving (thanks to Morrigan's witchery). And given what they faced on the field, and the fact that they came through it alive, I don't doubt that the army would support him over Anora, just as so many of them would have supported Loghain over Anora previously. War binds soldiers together, and to the man who leads them through hell and gets them out alive. Compared to that being an excellent and much-loved administrator for 5 years under someone else's name just doesn't compare. If played well, he already has the support of most of the Bannorn, and his brother is the most powerful noble in the kingdom. Given the circumstances, if he really wanted to be King it wouldn't be particularly difficult for him to strip her of power and rule himself, and she rightfully fears that possibility.



Female human nobles have it easier as mentioned by quite a few here. Alistair is much more inclined to share power, or even let the female human noble rule in his stead depending on the circumstances. So there is no real need to resort to such tactics. Heaven forbid, you might make him pout... :P




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Vim wrote...

Female human nobles have it easier as mentioned by quite a few here. Alistair is much more inclined to share power, or even let the female human noble rule in his stead depending on the circumstances. So there is no real need to resort to such tactics. Heaven forbid, you might make him pout... :P


I think Alistair gets misunderstood alot. He's smarter than he lets on, and a better leader than he lets anyone believe. His biggest problem is he THINKS he can't lead, and you basically end up convincing him otherwise through the game.

And my poor mage keeps praying Morrigan uses that baby to destroy the chantry's control over mages:P

"Power has value, freedom has value" sticks in my mind from the conversation about life in the wilds being lonely.

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Lady Jess wrote...

Vim wrote...

Female human nobles have it easier as mentioned by quite a few here. Alistair is much more inclined to share power, or even let the female human noble rule in his stead depending on the circumstances. So there is no real need to resort to such tactics. Heaven forbid, you might make him pout... :P


I think Alistair gets misunderstood alot. He's smarter than he lets on, and a better leader than he lets anyone believe. His biggest problem is he THINKS he can't lead, and you basically end up convincing him otherwise through the game.

And my poor mage keeps praying Morrigan uses that baby to destroy the chantry's control over mages:P

"Power has value, freedom has value" sticks in my mind from the conversation about life in the wilds being lonely.


"Alistair has a fear of failing others which has lead to a fear of leading which is why he doesn't wish to be king or lead the party on their quest."

This is according to trivia on Alistair's wiki page. I thought it was interesting because he is smarter than he let's on... not at all stupid like how Morrigan mocks him and all.

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Lady Jess wrote...

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Female human nobles have it easier as mentioned by quite a few here. Alistair is much more inclined to share power, or even let the female human noble rule in his stead depending on the circumstances. So there is no real need to resort to such tactics. Heaven forbid, you might make him pout... :P


I think Alistair gets misunderstood alot. He's smarter than he lets on, and a better leader than he lets anyone believe. His biggest problem is he THINKS he can't lead, and you basically end up convincing him otherwise through the game.


I like Alistair and actually agree with you. I just enjoy teasing him. :devil: In all my playthroughs except my male human noble I've convinced him to take the throne.  Basically he's my bud and I trust him more than I do Anora. In the human noble playthrough which was my first time through, he wasn't hardened, clearly didn't want it, and my character was interested, so I bit the bullet and married Anora instead. And to her credit, she didn't seem that bad in that particular playthrough. In other playthroughs I felt very differently however...

And my poor mage keeps praying Morrigan uses that baby to destroy the chantry's control over mages:P

"Power has value, freedom has value" sticks in my mind from the conversation about life in the wilds being lonely.


Morrigan...Morrigan... if there is one thing that keeps my warden characters (or at least those that have done the ritual with her) up at night, it's what she might do with their child...   ugghh.

Btw, if your concern is chantry control over mages, why didn't you ask for the circle to be freed from chantry control as your boon?

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Vim wrote...

Morrigan...Morrigan... if there is one thing that keeps my warden characters (or at least those that have done the ritual with her) up at night, it's what she might do with their child...   ugghh.

Btw, if your concern is chantry control over mages, why didn't you ask for the circle to be freed from chantry control as your boon?



I want to, I really do. But I know when my mage gets there, she's going to be all unselfish and say that the wardens shouldn't be forgotten again.

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Lady Jess wrote...

Vim wrote...

Morrigan...Morrigan... if there is one thing that keeps my warden characters (or at least those that have done the ritual with her) up at night, it's what she might do with their child...   ugghh.

Btw, if your concern is chantry control over mages, why didn't you ask for the circle to be freed from chantry control as your boon?



I want to, I really do. But I know when my mage gets there, she's going to be all unselfish and say that the wardens shouldn't be forgotten again.


I take that back, Alistair won't be king, Anora will get her stupid throne. And frankly I don't care if that insufferable pit viper thinks I'm selfish or not. I'm going off to rebuild the wardens, taking Alistair with me, so you know what, maybe I will demand our freedom. And while I'm at it, curse the shrew with something that makes her hair fall out.

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Lady Jess wrote...

Vim wrote...

Morrigan...Morrigan... if there is one thing that keeps my warden characters (or at least those that have done the ritual with her) up at night, it's what she might do with their child...   ugghh.

Btw, if your concern is chantry control over mages, why didn't you ask for the circle to be freed from chantry control as your boon?



I want to, I really do. But I know when my mage gets there, she's going to be all unselfish and say that the wardens shouldn't be forgotten again.


If Alistair is king, then as a warden himself who has always idolized the Duncan and the rest of the group,  I tend to trust him to take care of the wardens without having to make the request. (Not that it's really necessary in either case as the wardens always get Howe's  lands, but for role-playing reasons I don't trust Anora the way I do Alistair) Then there's also the fact that my elves and mages who never wanted to be wardens and were conscripted unwillingly have big chips on their shoulders over the way they've been treated their entire lives. They see themselves as elves and mages first, and wardens a distant second or even third.  But that's just how I'm playing my characters. My elves in particular will always choose to help the alieange or dalish first, above any other possible consideration (including the circle)  if given the option.

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Vim wrote...


If Alistair is king, then as a warden himself who has always idolized the Duncan and the rest of the group,  I tend to trust him to take care of the wardens without having to make the request. (Not that it's really necessary in either case as the wardens always get Howe's  lands, but for role-playing reasons I don't trust Anora the way I do Alistair) Then there's also the fact that my elves and mages who never wanted to be wardens and were conscripted unwillingly have big chips on their shoulders over the way they've been treated their entire lives. They see themselves as elves and mages first, and wardens a distant second or even third.  But that's just how I'm playing my characters. My elves in particular will always choose to help the alieange or dalish first, above any other possible consideration (including the circle)  if given the option.



My mage has a love hate thing with the tower. For RP purposes (and future fanfic as time permits) She grew up IN Redcliffe with Alistair til he was sent away, which sent her into a fit of rage and her 10 year old self blasted out her fathers living room wall with a ball of lightning, and he sent her away.

So she hates the tower for being a prison, but loved being free to use and perfect her seriously awesome skills. Also, after seeing how helpful the templars actually were when the tower was swimming in demons...well, why have them at all. But making Alistair king means she can't KEEP him...lol

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well aparently she cant keep him anyway shes too busy lol

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I'm very interested in this especially in regards to the human male noble and Anora. You get very few dialogues and practically no chance to try and establish a relationship with her (romantic or not). I really thought it was an interesting option and the couple dialogues with Anora that were involving marrying her were quite interesting and I really missed the opportunity to talk with her more and either romance her a little maybe (or at least get to know her and show her some romantic intent) or the opposite. What little was there was nice but left a lot very open and would really like to progress those dialogues further, even if just a few steps in the expansion.

The female noble gets the entire game to build a relationship with Alistair, while the male noble gets 2-3 dialogues with very limited (but good options even if very few) options and depth to build a relationship with Anora.


I'm very much in agreement with you here. There are a lot of things I like about her. She's extremely bright, witty, attractive and strong. And as long as I don't pick the options that cause her to be betray the hero or cause her paranoia about holding onto her power to trigger, the handful of other unfortunately brief dialog options with her are rather intriguing.  She comes across as extremely logical and someone who would enjoy discussing policy details with a mate whose is mind is just as sharp as hers. It's not entirely impossible that she'd fall in love with the male noble hero  if she learned to respect him as her mental equal and be a bit more open to sharing the burden of power once he gained her trust.

On the other hand, on a playthrough where she's betrayed my character and further ticked him off by trying to bully him into meekly accepting her keeping all the power to herself, I'm far more inclined to simply dethrone her at the first convenient moment for the good of the country due to her repeated duplicity, and the fact that she seems to share her father's fatal flaws...   It's a pity that the option to dethrone her and become sole ruler doesn't exist for the male human noble who decides to take one for the team and marry her when she tries to put him in his place and you aren't allowed to make a response. 

Clearly I have very mixed feelings regarding Anora.

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The epilogue slide show always refers to the warden as prince-consort or princess-consort if the warden marries anora or alistair respectively. Anora will also correct a male warden to whom she is engaged if he tells her in the epilogue that he can't wait to be king. She'll correct him and say that actually he'll be a prince consort, even if that's perhaps a technicality.

Nevertheless at the end of the Landsmeet, Anora will already have proclaimed a male warden that she is about to marry as "My husband, the king consort, general of my armies, and the hero who will save Ferelden from this blight." She also will have ordered the nobles present at the Landsmeet to "gather your forces and await the king consort's command". Finally the Landsmeet quest completion entry in the journal will refer to the male noble warden as "king consort". So there's a bit of inconsistency in the game regarding the title that's used for your character if he or she marries the new ruler.

Anora is clearly worried that her new husband will use his popularity, his formidable powerbase, and the fact that he's her husband to strip her of power. Her dialogs clearly demonstrate this . And she has good reason. There is no greater threat to a ruler than a heroic general who is wildly popular both with the people and also with the troops he's lead. And her hold on power at the end of Blight is anything but solid.

She was born a commoner, he was born to the most prestigous family in the land next to the King himself. She's the daughter of a warhero from 30 years ago who has just been executed for treason and selling his own people into slavery. The warden is the war hero who just saved every man, woman & child in Fereldan from certain death. Where the former King had died in battle against the Darkspawn, her father battled the other nobles to increase his own power while the Darkspawn gobbled up the Kingdom, and she sat around twiddling her thumbs plotting to depose her father, the warden unified Ferelden against the blight, brought in outside allies, and then lead the men, elves, dwarves, etc.. that fought under him to victory and possibly even slaying the archdemon himself and surviving (thanks to Morrigan's witchery). And given what they faced on the field, and the fact that they came through it alive, I don't doubt that the army would support him over Anora, just as so many of them would have supported Loghain over Anora previously. War binds soldiers together, and to the man who leads them through hell and gets them out alive. Compared to that being an excellent and much-loved administrator for 5 years under someone else's name just doesn't compare. If played well, he already has the support of most of the Bannorn, and his brother is the most powerful noble in the kingdom. Given the circumstances, if he really wanted to be King it wouldn't be particularly difficult for him to strip her of power and rule himself, and she rightfully fears that possibility.

Female human nobles have it easier as mentioned by quite a few here. Alistair is much more inclined to share power, or even let the female human noble rule in his stead depending on the circumstances. So there is no real need to resort to such tactics. Heaven forbid, you might make him pout... :P


Very well stated.

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the truth ? hmmmmmm


David Gaider's said somewhere that it is impossible for 2 Grey wardens to have children together. Kings need heirs. Therefore... :crying:


Uhhh...can't they just adopt or uhh...get outside help?

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shedevil3001 wrote...

well aparently she cant keep him anyway shes too busy lol


So true, sigh. Maybe if she asks for their freedom, in a future game when romance picks back up he can marry a mage without the chantry gettings it's knickers in a twist. I can dream right?

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nothing is impossible just more difficult i guess david never got that speech as a child hmmmmm my mam always used to say it to me

@lady jess
oh yes we can all dream but sadly with the way expansions and sequals always go thats all we can do as they never continue instead they leap into the future in another country with all new companions Image IPB

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shedevil3001 wrote...

nothing is impossible just more difficult i guess david never got that speech as a child hmmmmm my mam always used to say it to me

@lady jess
oh yes we can all dream but sadly with the way expansions and sequals always go thats all we can do as they never continue instead they leap into the future in another country with all new companions Image IPB


I like to think that all that stuff we'll miss in Awakenings is being held for the actual sequel. I mean it makes sense to do so. You keep the memory alive with cameos in the xpac, the romances don't end, they just stay where they are for a time. Kind of like my hubby in real  life being overseas for a year. Of course like life, when friends move away sometimes you never see them gain, and sometimes you do but not as soon as you'd like. ;)

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Emerald Melios wrote...

fluffyamoeba wrote...

David Gaider's said somewhere that it is impossible for 2 Grey wardens to have children together. Kings need heirs. Therefore... :crying:


Uhhh...can't they just adopt or uhh...get outside help?


Actually when Alistair barges in after you uhh propose...lol one of your conversation options about the heir thing is "It's also not needed" to which he says you're right. Suggesting that it's more of a social "for show" ideal  than an actual requirement.

Also, an heir can be assigned if one can't be provided by natural means. Bann Teagan for example.

After that attack in the tower when the last arrow goes straight through your womanly organs, even without the taint you could be unable to conceive really. Not to mention all those other battle scars.

Oh and, lets not forget if you do have the ending where you marry the guy, clearly there is an heir out there...somewhere.

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true it just seems kind of repeatitive with games that they never follow on story wise and every new release you get all new companions so everything you did in the first game seems pointless i'd hate to see that happen with dao expansions/sequals it would be nice for a change to still keep our close companions or at least our romancible characters for a change not to mention some of the more harder choices in the game that we made should have some inpact on later releases as it really holds deep in the rpg games

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Lady Jess wrote... 

After that attack in the tower when the last arrow goes straight through your womanly organs, even without the taint you could be unable to conceive really. Not to mention all those other battle scars.




My cut scene showed two arrows in my neck.... *wonders what womanly organs are in my neck* Image IPB

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Lady Jess wrote... 

After that attack in the tower when the last arrow goes straight through your womanly organs, even without the taint you could be unable to conceive really. Not to mention all those other battle scars.




My cut scene showed two arrows in my neck.... *wonders what womanly organs are in my neck* Image IPB


Ouch! Mine showed one through my shoulder, one through my ribs and the third square in the lower absomen, straight through.

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Think the arrows are random?

edited to add -> by the way, never wished for pc version more than lately since I've seen your and Noir's new hair.

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Think the arrows are random?

edited to add -> by the way, never wished for pc version more than lately since I've seen your and Noir's new hair.


Maybe it's a platform difference then. I can't imagine gaming on anything but my pc. Maybe if we had an extra tv, but it bugs me when the tv is hogged by video games...lol

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Could be a platform difference - I was going to suggest it might be a racial difference because of heights (you know you can't even see the lower half of a dwarf in that scene LOL) if we ever get a new pc I'm getting DA on it

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its best on pc i think especially for all the mods you can get for the pc version

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Lady Jess wrote...

Vim wrote...

Btw, if your concern is
chantry control over mages, why didn't you ask for the circle to be
freed from chantry control as your boon?


I
want to, I really do. But I know when my mage gets there, she's going
to be all unselfish and say that the wardens shouldn't be forgotten
again.


I take that back, Alistair won't be
king, Anora will get her stupid throne. And frankly I don't care if
that insufferable pit viper thinks I'm selfish or not. I'm going off to
rebuild the wardens, taking Alistair with me, so you know what, maybe I
will demand our freedom. And while I'm at it, curse the shrew with
something that makes her hair fall out.


Ahh...as only one of my characters is female, I didn't really consider that angle. But of course, if you want to keep Alister with you as a mage, and you don't want to be just his mistress, then you're best off not making him king.  I like the idea of the curse though, and don't forget to gut her father before you leave. It's not as if he doesn't deserve it for all he's done... And then you don't have to beg her to spare Alistair's life either. :D

Lady Jess wrote...

Vim wrote...


If Alistair is king, then as a warden himself who has always idolized the Duncan and the rest of the group,  I tend to trust him to take care of the wardens without having to make the request. (Not that it's really necessary in either case as the wardens always get Howe's  lands, but for role-playing reasons I don't trust Anora the way I do Alistair) Then there's also the fact that my elves and mages who never wanted to be wardens and were conscripted unwillingly have big chips on their shoulders over the way they've been treated their entire lives. They see themselves as elves and mages first, and wardens a distant second or even third.  But that's just how I'm playing my characters. My elves in particular will always choose to help the alieange or dalish first, above any other possible consideration (including the circle)  if given the option.



My mage has a love hate thing with the tower. For RP purposes (and future fanfic as time permits) She grew up IN Redcliffe with Alistair til he was sent away, which sent her into a fit of rage and her 10 year old self blasted out her fathers living room wall with a ball of lightning, and he sent her away.

So she hates the tower for being a prison, but loved being free to use and perfect her seriously awesome skills. Also, after seeing how helpful the templars actually were when the tower was swimming in demons...well, why have them at all.


My elven mage actually has very similar mixed feelings about the circle.  That's why he as a former city elf feels more strongly about helping his alienage than about supporting the circle. He hasn't reached the epilogue yet, and I don't know if he'll get the option to be bann of the Denerim alienage, but he'd pick that in a heartbeat over freeing the circle from chantry control.   He doesn't like it when elves turn on elves and he doesn't like it when mages turn on other mages. If the libertarians wanted their freedom then they shouldn't have struck out against the other mages, most especially not with the much demonized blood magic. They should have struck out against the chantry instead, or better yet, taken a page out of the isolationists book and retreated to a faraway place out of the reach of the chantry. But no, instead a horde of demons tore into the chantry causing many innocent deaths, making a strong case that the mages are a danger to themselves and to others without chantry supervision.  And the person most responsible was a senior enchanter with the full trust of the first enchanter himself.  The whole situation just left him feeling disgusted.  Granted, the chantry didn't do all that much to help, but it left my mage less enthusiastic about taking a stand to end chantry supervision.

But making Alistair king means she can't KEEP him...lol


lol, I completely get that.

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I was dream building on Dell again, created one that would run the 3 games I want (Star Trek Online, DA and Sims3) that wasn't top of the line and it STILL came to 1200. *pouts* I need an extra paycheck that doesn't need to be spent on anything... or a bunch of people to pay to watch me do dishes and laundry on a webcam or something LOL