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[ZeroXraven]

Johnson45 wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

I understand everyones concerns about the multiplayer effecting the single player experience, but if you didn't know, a different team handled the Bioshock 2 multiplayer so it didn't affect the single player AT ALL. They could do the same with Mass Effect 3 as they did with Bioshock and are going to do with Medal of Honor

Yeah I knew that and I was happy to hear that when I first did, because multiplayer affecting the single player was a concern of mine for Bioshock 2. But my post was just me saying how much I thought that the multiplayer in that game was awful.

 I think my post is being taken the wrong way so I'll be clearer. I just feel that multiplayer is completely unnecessary in games like Bioshock and ME. The single player has the same (or more) replay value as a game with a weak single player a good multiplayer (Obviously not up against a game with great multiplayer like COD or Halo).

COD has good multiplayer? Last time I checked it was full of children and campers, glitches, bugs, and cheap tactics if tactics at all....Bioware could make a WAYY better multiplayer game than Infinity Ward. I love Halo but COD has become a so bad i'll never play a sequel of it again...

[Johnson45]

ZeroXraven wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

I understand everyones concerns about the multiplayer effecting the single player experience, but if you didn't know, a different team handled the Bioshock 2 multiplayer so it didn't affect the single player AT ALL. They could do the same with Mass Effect 3 as they did with Bioshock and are going to do with Medal of Honor

Yeah I knew that and I was happy to hear that when I first did, because multiplayer affecting the single player was a concern of mine for Bioshock 2. But my post was just me saying how much I thought that the multiplayer in that game was awful.

 I think my post is being taken the wrong way so I'll be clearer. I just feel that multiplayer is completely unnecessary in games like Bioshock and ME. The single player has the same (or more) replay value as a game with a weak single player a good multiplayer (Obviously not up against a game with great multiplayer like COD or Halo).

COD has good multiplayer? Last time I checked it was full of children and campers, glitches, bugs, and cheap tactics if tactics at all....Bioware could make a WAYY better multiplayer game than Infinity Ward. I love Halo but COD has become a so bad i'll never play a sequel of it again...

I meant good multiplayer for the kind of gamers they are targeting. And children can't be helped anyway there will be children playing every game, including Mass Effect, and a lot more children would be on ME if they added and advertised multiplayer. And I don't intened on playing another COD game again, but I doubt Bioware could make  "WAYY" better multiplayer game than infinity ward, since infinity ward has more experience when it comes to multiplayer on the current consoles.

[ZeroXraven]

Infinity Ward hasn't made a good console multiplayer game since Call Of Duty 2, even then it wasn't the best...

[LuPoM]

ZeroXraven wrote...

Multiplayer as in CO-OP people. How would that not be fun in some shape or form. You people are lame.

CO-OP should be fun? We are lame?

Mass Effect is an experience that you craft, suited for you.. would you have fun idling when your CO-OP partner makes his dialogues, walks around and choices? (since you spend atleast half of the game talking!)
How do you even find a sense for a Co-Op play in Mass Effect? It would be just pointless!

It's a unique SINGLE PLAYER experience!

Modifié par LuPoM, 15 février 2010 - 12:58 .

[ZeroXraven]

LuPoM wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

Multiplayer as in CO-OP people. How would that not be fun in some shape or form. You people are lame.

CO-OP should be fun? We are lame?

Mass Effect is an experience that you craft, suited for you.. would you have fun idling when your CO-OP partner makes his dialogues, walks around and choices? (since you spend atleast half of the game talking!)
How do you even find a sense for a Co-Op play in Mass Effect? It would be just pointless!

It's a unique SINGLE PLAYER experience!

You fail to realize the potential of this, just stop, your arguments already pointless seeing as how I have been giving reasons upon reasons as to how it would work and be very fun. Why not make the story your friends too. It's like going out hiking with someone and experiencing random life threatening things together. You can talk about it forever. Thats how it would work. Something you and a buddy can share forever. You fail to see the awesomeness of this still? Or am I still going into your head and exiting out of your arrogant mind? 

[Johnson45]

I can't remember if COD1 was available on the 360 and ps3, but I had it on PC and it had great multiplayer. COD2 I never played so I can't really say anything on that. COD3 had poor multiplayer and dissapointing single player to top it off. COD4 had amazing multiplayer for its time, COD WaW was shocking bad imo. And MW2 was just COD4 redone and with more weapon attachments. Treyarch didn't make any good multiplayer games apart from the 1st (If my memory serves me correctly I think they created the first). However infinity ward do make great console multiplayer games, shown by their success.

[ZeroXraven]

Johnson45 wrote...

I can't remember if COD1 was available on the 360 and ps3, but I had it on PC and it had great multiplayer. COD2 I never played so I can't really say anything on that. COD3 had poor multiplayer and dissapointing single player to top it off. COD4 had amazing multiplayer for its time, COD WaW was shocking bad imo. And MW2 was just COD4 redone and with more weapon attachments. Treyarch didn't make any good multiplayer games apart from the 1st (If my memory serves me correctly I think they created the first). However infinity ward do make great console multiplayer games, shown by their success.

yeah well alot of disspointed buyers would say otherwise on Metacritic for MW2
Just because it sells well doesn't make it a good game

[Johnson45]

But it is seen as, and shows it is seen as a good game by it's fans. And ME is seen as a fantastic game by it's fans WITHOUT multiplayer. Which is why I see it unnecessary.

[LuPoM]

ZeroXraven wrote...

LuPoM wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

Multiplayer as in CO-OP people. How would that not be fun in some shape or form. You people are lame.

CO-OP should be fun? We are lame?

Mass Effect is an experience that you craft, suited for you.. would you have fun idling when your CO-OP partner makes his dialogues, walks around and choices? (since you spend atleast half of the game talking!)
How do you even find a sense for a Co-Op play in Mass Effect? It would be just pointless!

It's a unique SINGLE PLAYER experience!

You fail to realize the potential of this, just stop, your arguments already pointless seeing as how I have been giving reasons upon reasons as to how it would work and be very fun. Why not make the story your friends too. It's like going out hiking with someone and experiencing random life threatening things together. You can talk about it forever. Thats how it would work. Something you and a buddy can share forever. You fail to see the awesomeness of this still? Or am I still going into your head and exiting out of your arrogant mind? 

We could see either way forever.. You can call me arrogant or tell me that your points of view (that's it after all) just go in and out of my head.. but I've read everything you've wrote, I might agree with you IF the game was different, but since it's not, I just see yourself obsessed with the multiplayer (you love the game and you would love to play it with friends) and blinded towards what the game is, one of the very few unique single player experiences.

Accept that since your hypothetical potentials are just hypothetical, and I don't fail to realize them, we have a clear example out there of what a Co-Op/Multiplayer kind might have Mass Effect 2: Gears of War.. and sincerely, ME2 has a too deep and perzonalizeable story that won't even theoretically fit multiplayer!
IF the story was too linear without almost any kind of decision THEN I would agree with you about the lack of multiplayer, but since this is NOT the case, get over with it and realize the pure facts.. Mass Effect (atleast this trilogy) is like a Movie which you shape as your own and in which you take the fights on your own, your only own.

[FutureBoy81]

maybe a spin off mass effect should have multiplayer but not the main game which is a stand alone RPG ....

[Johnson45]

FutureBoy81 wrote...

maybe a spin off mass effect should have multiplayer but not the main game which is a stand alone RPG ....

I agree with you.

[Darth Drago]

When I first saw the topic I had guessed that this was going to come from a shooter fan hoping to get some multiplayer maps and content. Lol.

Its not to bad of an idea but its impractical for several customable Shepard like characters. There would be just to much to work out with voices and such. A co-op mode where another player controls one of your squad mates ONLY during a mission on the other hand could be cool but it would defeat the whole single player set up the first two game had and as such doubtful it would ever happen.

Not exactly on the same topic.. But I think a better idea would be to have you play as your companions in a quest like their loyalty ones. These would be solo missions maybe even leading up to where you meet them. Kind of like Samara’s loyalty mission was. With the third companion in your group not even saying anything or helping at all, so why was he/she even with you? Think of the first mission where you meet up with Jacob and Miranda. You could have played Miranda for example to get her to the shuttle.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 15 février 2010 - 02:20 .

[ZeroXraven]

LuPoM wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

LuPoM wrote...

ZeroXraven wrote...

Multiplayer as in CO-OP people. How would that not be fun in some shape or form. You people are lame.

CO-OP should be fun? We are lame?

Mass Effect is an experience that you craft, suited for you.. would you have fun idling when your CO-OP partner makes his dialogues, walks around and choices? (since you spend atleast half of the game talking!)
How do you even find a sense for a Co-Op play in Mass Effect? It would be just pointless!

It's a unique SINGLE PLAYER experience!

You fail to realize the potential of this, just stop, your arguments already pointless seeing as how I have been giving reasons upon reasons as to how it would work and be very fun. Why not make the story your friends too. It's like going out hiking with someone and experiencing random life threatening things together. You can talk about it forever. Thats how it would work. Something you and a buddy can share forever. You fail to see the awesomeness of this still? Or am I still going into your head and exiting out of your arrogant mind? 

We could see either way forever.. You can call me arrogant or tell me that your points of view (that's it after all) just go in and out of my head.. but I've read everything you've wrote, I might agree with you IF the game was different, but since it's not, I just see yourself obsessed with the multiplayer (you love the game and you would love to play it with friends) and blinded towards what the game is, one of the very few unique single player experiences.

Accept that since your hypothetical potentials are just hypothetical, and I don't fail to realize them, we have a clear example out there of what a Co-Op/Multiplayer kind might have Mass Effect 2: Gears of War.. and sincerely, ME2 has a too deep and perzonalizeable story that won't even theoretically fit multiplayer!
IF the story was too linear without almost any kind of decision THEN I would agree with you about the lack of multiplayer, but since this is NOT the case, get over with it and realize the pure facts.. Mass Effect (atleast this trilogy) is like a Movie which you shape as your own and in which you take the fights on your own, your only own.

Honestly, I just think your an idiot regardless if these small insults offend you. I see Great potential in any game as multiplayer. Sure, I LOVE single player experiences. Like I said earlier, Metroid Prime is one of my favorite series of games yet you fail to mention that. Anyone who claims it wouldn't better an already amazing game is just stupid IMO. Yes, the Wii needs a multiplayer Metroid series...Why? because its the perfect fit and the Wii needs its own shooter that thousands will play. Mass Effect would have more replay value, more buyers, more story, more content, and more EVERYTHING. To say it would take away is like saying a side character in a movie ruins the experience which is ridiculus. Same go's with music and anything else. Anything extra or anything that adds to the experience is well worth it.

BTW I actually hate competitive multiplayer games. I do LOVE anything with co-op though. I will be buying the new Splinter Cell for that very reason as well to play the amazing single player.

To say adding features to anything is wrong is very stupid. It's more for your money and more time you can spend in a game you enjoy. Which is the real point i'm trying to make. You CANNOT ruin the experience by adding multiplayer or co-op in general as it's always optional to everyone. If you only wanna play the single player....FINE but I want to continue enjoying the game and thats what any form of multiplayer adds. So YOU get over it and stop being so pessimistic

[Homebound]

People have a preconception of what MP means, the type of MP I am suggesting is not the same as the one they are thinking...

[dmcguk]

Just_mike wrote...

People have a preconception of what MP means, the type of MP I am suggesting is not the same as the one they are thinking...

Your idea is garbage putting it bluntly . A few maps where people could play vs each other or team vs team in combat could be "ok" (not that it's a good idea anyway) but what your suggesting is something so complex it might aswell be another game.


And I don't think you even understand your "idea"

Modifié par dmcguk, 15 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[i7206]

It does not matter if a different team develops the MP, the resources(money) still come fro the same development budget. They're not gonna say, "all right we're doing MP, double the budget", it just doesn't happen.



The only MP that could work that wouldn't sacrifice ME3 too much, is a horde/firefight mode, with 3 or 4 players against waves of CPU opponents.



Co-op would be garbage. They would have to either, make the second player sit idle during half the game whilst the conservations are happening, or completely change the mechanics of the conservations to include a second player, which in the process of doing, would be sacrificing what the series has been about all this time. Being a very personal single player experience.

[LuPoM]

ZeroXraven wrote...

Honestly, I just think your an idiot regardless if these small insults offend you.

That speaks so much about your open interpretative mind while I understand you and your reasons, you just find it accomodating to use petty insults towards me :> just continue to have fun insulting anyone who doesn't think like you

[LuPoM]

i7206 wrote...

It does not matter if a different team develops the MP, the resources(money) still come fro the same development budget. They're not gonna say, "all right we're doing MP, double the budget", it just doesn't happen.

The only MP that could work that wouldn't sacrifice ME3 too much, is a horde/firefight mode, with 3 or 4 players against waves of CPU opponents.

Co-op would be garbage. They would have to either, make the second player sit idle during half the game whilst the conservations are happening, or completely change the mechanics of the conservations to include a second player, which in the process of doing, would be sacrificing what the series has been about all this time. Being a very personal single player experience.

I completely agree with you, except for the fact that I would not rather like to have even the horde/firefight mode in ME3, but that's just my personal opinion, and IF they will include it, I hope it won't be at the cost of a less deep and detailed Single Player.

Modifié par LuPoM, 15 février 2010 - 08:52 .

[GodWood]

I don't think the "pro co-ops" understand, you spend the majority of the game talking with squadmates, interacting with squadmates, getting to know squadmates, forming deep and meaningful relationships with squadmates and even romancing squadmates.



Coop simply doesn't fit the game.

[medlish]

I don't know what's the problem with you guys but I'll go ahead and be ignorant and assume that what you understand by the word multiplayer is your 360 experience with halo or mw. Which sucks, I agree.



But you know what? You remember games like Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale. You may say "OF COURSE, they fcking rock!" now. And guess what, they HAVE multiplayer! And I think this is AWESOME. I often played it on LAN with my friends and nobody was annoyed by the dialoges and what not.

It works. It does not destroy the game. Or the franchise. Or anything.

[xSHAD0WENx]

i really didn't even look at the OP but seeing how i see the work ME3 and multi-player. i'll throw in my thoughts on how i think it could work.



1: they can just throw in multi-player with maps and you can play with your character against other people.



2: Training sim program(like star track) where it connects to other spectures in ME uni. to hone your skills. while in fact it just does option 1.

[Lespy1212]

I think they should try some sorta campaign multiplayer even thought it would be really weird they should experiment with many ideas of multiplayer for mass effect 3 but still as I said it could be hard or just inconvenient to have two shepherds on campaign... or maybe not

[Homebound]

dmcguk wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

People have a preconception of what MP means, the type of MP I am suggesting is not the same as the one they are thinking...

Your idea is garbage putting it bluntly . A few maps where people could play vs each other or team vs team in combat could be "ok" (not that it's a good idea anyway) but what your suggesting is something so complex it might aswell be another game.


And I don't think you even understand your "idea"

Im not talking about a few maps...Im talking about a whole different intro mission. Like the thing with the Collectors and Joker(cant say any more since this is no-spoilers) Im sorry if you are having a hard time understanding what I am suggesting.  This is what I meant about people not understanding what Im trying to say...Sorry you feel that way buddy.

Modifié par Just_mike, 20 février 2010 - 01:33 .