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[Maria Caliban]

How utterly stupid.

I recall during the development when one of the writers said they wanted a setting where death had meaning. So much for that. Apparently ‘ultimate sacrifice’ is more like ‘temporary inconvenience.’

Honestly, I’d have thought that ME 2 showed how little BioWare cares about choices and consequences, but this is a new low.

Fernando Melo wrote...

Can you import the world 'state', but start new in Awakening as the Orlesian Cmdr?  No.  The world 'state' only exists and lives on as part of your character's choices - most of the reactivity to events and choices in Origins would simply not make sense if it wasn't 'you' that did it.

Okay, so imagine a player puts Anora on the throne, kills Loghain, and then perform the Ultimate Sacrifice. The ideal situation would be for Awakening to acknowledge what their Warden did, but for the Warden to still be dead.

As is, this cannot be the case. If I import the Ultimate Sacrifice, I play as my dead character. If I don't import the Ultimate Sacrifice, Awakening doesn't acknowledge what my character did. It reverts to whatever 'default' the developers have created. Maybe the Dark Ritual was performed, maybe Alistair is king, maybe the Circle is Annuled when I saved it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 février 2010 - 09:53 .

[ponozsticka]

Well, you´ll be rebuild by Cerberus How can a death stop mighty Warden, lol

[Cat Lance]

WHHHAAAAT????!!!



Seriously? Awakening keeps sounding less and less awesome the more I hear about it tonight. *is a sad panda*

[TheMadCat]

The way I read it is if you import your dead Warden didn't do the Ultimate Sacrifice and instead a more canonical route is setup. So in reality it's simply you have the option to import your character, it's just that the ultimate sacrifice won't be recognized as the choice you made, and I have no problem with that at all. Death still has meaning, if you want that to be a characters story then make it so by starting up the Orlesian Grey Warden. I don't really see any foul here.

[Dethanos]

If you don't like it, don't do it. Why complain about something that is optional?

[darrenr22]

I have to admit the whole idea seems ridiculous to me. That said, I won't be doing it so it won't affect me at all. I am not going to sit around worrying about how other people are choosing to play.



What concerns me more is that at present it seems there is no option to import an ultimate sacrifice save and continue as the new Orlesian Warden, having the original Warden's choices reflected in the expansion. I am still mystified as to why this option has not been included.

[Fulgrim88]

So i take it's either

- Sacrificed someone else: Import your character

- Sacrificed yourself: start with some Orlesian guy (and a random canon backstory? NO Import?)

- Sacrificed yourself but want to import your decisions: The Lazarus glitch again?

[bobothegoat]

They should just let you import your sacrificed character's save for the orlesian origin. I wouldn't want my warden to be like, "Just kidding! I actually only got an injury. Don't worry, I had like 25 lesser injury kits though!"...



But I would still like my decisions throughout the original game to matter, even if I'm playing another character to see them.

[ponozsticka]

I guess, that once you´ll import sacrfised character, you won´t die, but it´ll take a path of Morigan´s proposal, or so.

Would be strange to have all your companions alive and non haer

[Vuokseniska]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

So i take it's either
- Sacrificed someone else: Import your character
- Sacrificed yourself: start with some Orlesian guy (and a random canon backstory? NO Import?)
- Sacrificed yourself but want to import your decisions: The Lazarus glitch again?

You made the ultimate sacrifice... ULTIMATE, didn't you read the fine print of your grey warden contract? Besides you start off with a lvl 15 orlesian character that you can make as your character you sacrificed so what is the real problem?  you know where to put your stats and atributes in.

You either die, or sacrificed another character or did the morrigan thing... sounds like a fair trade off

[fluffyamoeba]

I'm guessing that, as the nude mods are done already, someone will try mod in using the old save to start with a new warden. Does anyone know whether the ending used when starting as the orlesian warden assumes the hero went down the ultimate sacrifice route?

[_- Songlian -]

Maria Caliban wrote...

How utterly stupid.

I recall during the development when one of the writers said they wanted a setting where death had meaning. So much for that. Apparently ‘ultimate sacrifice’ is more like ‘temporary inconvenience.’

Honestly, I’d have thought that ME 2 showed how little BioWare cares about choices and consequences, but this is a new low.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. The solution for the Ultimate Sacrifice ending is a tad disappointing.  

"Well! He's not half as dead as he looks, is he?"  How appropriate. 

[MishenNikara]

Oh come on, if they hadn't done something like this, you'd all be here complaining that your warden making the sacrifice basically makes that file not worth the transfer....seesh, some people just cant be satisfied.



If you don't want the giant loophole then don't use that file when the time comes. Its perfectly legal to complete a game multiple times

[Frumyfrenzy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

How utterly stupid.

I recall during the development when one of the writers said they wanted a setting where death had meaning. So much for that. Apparently ‘ultimate sacrifice’ is more like ‘temporary inconvenience.’

Honestly, I’d have thought that ME 2 showed how little BioWare cares about choices and consequences, but this is a new low.

If you prefer your Grey Warden to remain dead, import a different character or create a new one with the new backstory.

[Vicious]

So, if i kill Alistair in my playthrough and perform the ultimate sacrifice, I have to start an Orlesian Warden and everything I did in my playthrough will be compeltely invalidated? WTF. Really someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

[Maria Caliban]

Okay BioWare, I pissed off Alistiar and he left. I've decided that I don't like this, so when I import a character where this happened, just have him and Loghain be in my game.

If anyone complains this makes no freaking sense, I'll just tell them they can ignore Alistair and pretend he's not standing around in his golden armor.

Yay for meaningless choices!

Vicious wrote...

So, if i kill Alistair in my playthrough and perform the ultimate sacrifice, I have to start an Orlesian Warden and everything I did in my playthrough will be compeltely invalidated? WTF. Really someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

No. If your PC is dead, you can import them and play them. You can't import your games choices and play the Orlesian Warden though.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[Vicious]

Right that's what I was saying. If I perform the ultimate sacrifice it's like my character didn't exist, basically, since if I create an Orlesian Warden i'll just get a 'stock' beginning with Alistair King like in the trailers, regardless of whatever actually happened in my game.



So that's indeed the case. Wow, that's really bad. I always thought that if you performed the sacrifice you could import your game choices but would be forced to create a new grey warden.



Boy was I wrong.

[Maria Caliban]

ponozsticka wrote...

I guess, that once you´ll import sacrfised character, you won´t die, but it´ll take a path of Morigan´s proposal, or so.

I expect the same. The ultimate sacrifice ending is just being ignored. The game simply doesn't acknowledge it.

Instead, the Dark Ritual is the 'default.' By DA 2, it will simply be canon.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[Jonp382]

Well, that's disappointing. I assume there will be a way to mod it so that choices are correctly imported?

[TheMadCat]

The Ultimate Sacrifice is pretty much being ignored and yeah that does suck a bit, would have rather seen them import the choices for the new warden as well. But I don't see the Dark Ritual being forced upon anyone, you can still keep your character alive while passing on Morrigan's offer.

[Adanu]

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Of all the things to complain about, you pick this?



If you don't want your character to be around, then don't import him. In this case, gameplay trumps story. I had one character do the sacrifice. But I still want to play as him in the next one... so, I either make the new character , or I import my character and the story is changed so that being revived makes sense. I see no problems here. I only see people nitpicking minor details.

[Jonp382]

Adanu wrote...

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Of all the things to complain about, you pick this?

If you don't want your character to be around, then don't import him. In this case, gameplay trumps story. I had one character do the sacrifice. But I still want to play as him in the next one... so, I either make the new character , or I import my character and the story is changed so that being revived makes sense. I see no problems here. I only see people nitpicking minor details.

It's a role-playing game. What do you expect? The decisions and resulting outcomes/story are the gameplay.

[Adanu]

Jonp382 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

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Of all the things to complain about, you pick this?

If you don't want your character to be around, then don't import him. In this case, gameplay trumps story. I had one character do the sacrifice. But I still want to play as him in the next one... so, I either make the new character , or I import my character and the story is changed so that being revived makes sense. I see no problems here. I only see people nitpicking minor details.

It's a role-playing game. What do you expect? The decisions and resulting outcomes/story are the gameplay.

Incorrect. Gameplay is gameplay. Story is not gameplay. That's like saying blizzard is part of the story.

[TheMadCat]

And what incredibly important detail should everyone be focusing their complaining powers on Adanu? I see nothing wrong with this complaint, an ending has been made nonexistent for the most part after all, I see more validity here then people complaining about their gear not going over.

[Fulgrim88]

Vuokseniska wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

So i take it's either
- Sacrificed someone else: Import your character
- Sacrificed yourself: start with some Orlesian guy (and a random canon backstory? NO Import?)
- Sacrificed yourself but want to import your decisions: The Lazarus glitch again?

You made the ultimate sacrifice... ULTIMATE, didn't you read the fine print of your grey warden contract? Besides you start off with a lvl 15 orlesian character that you can make as your character you sacrificed so what is the real problem?  you know where to put your stats and atributes in.

You either die, or sacrificed another character or did the morrigan thing... sounds like a fair trade off

You don't understand. It's about wether the decisions my original character made have some impact or not. Apparently, once your dead and start with the Orlesian, they haven't.