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[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

THAT is exactly the point...there are those of us WHO DO HAVE A PROBLEM HAND WAIVING THE STORY in this regard.

So don't import a dead warden save? You're complaining that they're bastardising the continuity by allowing you to resurrect your save; but it's an option. You don't have to do it, and it wouldn't be considered canonical - rather, from what I gather with the FAQ, the save would simply assume you didn't make the ultimate sacrifice.

As I said, this is one of the more asinine complaints I've seen - possibly along with people who had complaints about Zeveran being gay in Dragon Age. The option is there. You do not have to pursue it.

[Ceridraen]

I guess I'm confused about what you guys want, concerning the dead warden ending. Do you want to start a new Orlesian warden, with mentions of your other's sacrifice?

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

And to be fair, the whole issue of DLC equipment not coming over on a save is pretty bad. That's not what this thread is about, but I agree with that complaint. For those people who do have a living warden and want to continue their story - being stripped of gear is pretty harsh.

You know I never thought I'd ever say this..because I LOVE Bioware games, but ..if I wasn't held by site rules where I pre-ordered..I would be withdrawing that order right now.  

I am that disappointed.

When Awakening was first announced ..we were given to believe that ..people's choices would carry over to Awakening, that what you did in Origins mattered....all of it.

Thats not the case...is it?    Nope.

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

I guess I'm confused about what you guys want, concerning the dead warden ending. Do you want to start a new Orlesian warden, with mentions of your other's sacrifice?

Yes...a brief mention..a brief history ..something to keep that Ultimate Sacrifice as valid.

The raise from the dead warden completely obliterates the self-sacrifice.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

THAT is exactly the point...there are those of us WHO DO HAVE A PROBLEM HAND WAIVING THE STORY in this regard.

So don't import a dead warden save? You're complaining that they're bastardising the continuity by allowing you to resurrect your save; but it's an option. You don't have to do it, and it wouldn't be considered canonical - rather, from what I gather with the FAQ, the save would simply assume you didn't make the ultimate sacrifice.

As I said, this is one of the more asinine complaints I've seen - possibly along with people who had complaints about Zeveran being gay in Dragon Age. The option is there. You do not have to pursue it.

You aren't reading what I am writing....you are still skimming...you don't get it do you?

[Ceridraen]

That doesn't seem too difficult. It's a shame they could stick that in with the creation of a new Warden. An 'in memory of' character, I guess. Maybe they'll think it over, if enough people ask for it.

[Ceridraen]

Feraele wrote...


When Awakening was first announced ..we were given to believe that ..people's choices would carry over to Awakening, that what you did in Origins mattered....all of it.

Thats not the case...is it?    Nope.

They did make a big deal about how all our choices matter. It seems rather cheap to suddenly remove any impact of perhaps *the* biggest choice. I see your point there.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ceridraen wrote...

I guess I'm confused about what you guys want, concerning the dead warden ending. Do you want to start a new Orlesian warden, with mentions of your other's sacrifice?

Yep, pretty much it.  But with retaining certain decisions.  For instance if Alistair is dead and Loghain is alive, let him be alive.  If everyone is alive, be it that way.  If Loghain is dead and Alistair alive then that too.  A number of variables that you could only get by importing a save (these characters anyway are said to have cameo appearances). 

[earl of the north]

Since I wont be using the characters that did the US in Awakening, I see no reason to worry about the OPTION to use those characters.

I have read the FAQ and as far as I can see there is no information about what happens about your choices in the first game if you play as the Orlesian Grey Warden.......hopefully that will be made clearer soon, hopefully before the topics about it reach 1,000.

Modifié par earl of the north, 15 février 2010 - 09:58 .

[Ceridraen]

So the new warden's beginning would be determined by what the dead warden did, is that what you mean? Actually, I don't see why they couldn't do that. I guess it's too much to ask that Alastair (or Anora, or whoever) gives the new warden something of the dead warden's belongings, but it would be a nice touch.

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

That doesn't seem too difficult. It's a shame they could stick that in with the creation of a new Warden. An 'in memory of' character, I guess. Maybe they'll think it over, if enough people ask for it.

Yes thanks for understanding.

The way it was first presented when Awakenings was announced, it was stated...if your character was dead,  you could start a new Orlesian grey warden.

When you character dies..does the Ultimate Sacrifice, there is a whole scene at the end,  with either the King or Queen,  presiding over your dead body on a bier, and making a speech.

In that speech they indicate that the GW is to be entombed at Weishopt.  Also a large statue is erected at the New GW keep in Amaranthine in their honour.

So..how does that fit with....oh never mind all that you can play your dead warden and the Ultimate Sacrifice never happened.......

I guess I like Bioware's stories too much to let this pass by without having a say about it.     It just destroys the effort made, and makes it seem like Bioware could care less any more.

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

So the new warden's beginning would be determined by what the dead warden did, is that what you mean? Actually, I don't see why they couldn't do that. I guess it's too much to ask that Alastair (or Anora, or whoever) gives the new warden something of the dead warden's belongings, but it would be a nice touch.

Yes..and I am thinking it doesn't need to be long and involved..5 minutes?  Ten at most?

[T1l]

Maviarab wrote...

T1...

What your not grasping is that we were explicitly told that importing your dead warden save would result in starting as a new Orlesian warden and that the changes YOU made in your US game would carry through...

Now it looks like that isnt happening...

That make it easier to understand?

jeesh...I give up *throws hands in the air*

No, no, I completely understand. I get that. I really do. Like I said though, your character is dead and that's where your story ends. That was the excuse they made with Mass Effect 2 - and to be fair, it's understandable from a writing perspective. It makes continuity a whole lot easier.

[T1l]

Hang on, wait a moment... is the Orlesian Grey Warden not there for the continuation of those who did make the Ultimate Sacrifice? That's the impression I'm under. Did I miss something?

EDIT: What I mean is that the Orlesian Grey Warden is there for exactly that reason, aren't they? They're there for those of us that did kill themselves? Or have we confirmation someplace that Bioware are just sticking them in for sh!ts and giggles?

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 09:56 .

[Ceridraen]

I see - I came really close to the US ending on my mage - I went with the 'easy way out' DR ending instead. (I get foolishly emotional, sad to say) But if I'd gone through that, had my elf girl on a pyre, with Alastair's tearful eulogy, I would be sad to have her just resurrected with pseudo-plot covering for it. I guess the only option, if they leave this, is to leave it in the past, & start someone new, or use some other character. I built up two male characters in case I didn't like what they did with my elf's romance, so I certainly understand taking our various perceptions seriously.



I wasn't sure exactly how they meant it. If you WANT to use your US save, you can - I get that, & I can see why people would want it. But it would also be nice to have a little piece for those who want to preserve the US ending. (which I still think is the most heroic)

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

I see - I came really close to the US ending on my mage - I went with the 'easy way out' DR ending instead. (I get foolishly emotional, sad to say) But if I'd gone through that, had my elf girl on a pyre, with Alastair's tearful eulogy, I would be sad to have her just resurrected with pseudo-plot covering for it. I guess the only option, if they leave this, is to leave it in the past, & start someone new, or use some other character. I built up two male characters in case I didn't like what they did with my elf's romance, so I certainly understand taking our various perceptions seriously.

I wasn't sure exactly how they meant it. If you WANT to use your US save, you can - I get that, & I can see why people would want it. But it would also be nice to have a little piece for those who want to preserve the US ending. (which I still think is the most heroic)

Yes I love that heroic ending..its the best one..

[Ceridraen]

I'm under the impression that the Orlesian Grey Warden has a default type start - they'll set, say, Alastair as King, some canon type backstory, and you'd go from there, with no impact from any previous saves.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Hang on, wait a moment... is the Orlesian Grey Warden not there for the continuation of those who did make the Ultimate Sacrifice? That's the impression I'm under. Did I miss something?

Yeah...but the new Grey warden knows NOTHING about what happened to his predecessor,  this is what creates the hole.   And again the Ultimate Sacrifice is forgotten..never happened.

[T1l]

Ceridraen wrote...

I'm under the impression that the Orlesian Grey Warden has a default type start - they'll set, say, Alastair as King, some canon type backstory, and you'd go from there, with no impact from any previous saves.

...

Oh. Well now, this changes my perspective somewhat if that is the case. I had the impression the Orlesian Grey Warden was there for those of us who did kill themselves; not just a generic starting character for those new to DA:O.

Well, if that is the case, you guys can add me to the pitch-fork-wielding mob. That would be a huge let down.

[Ceridraen]

Feraele wrote...



Yes I love that heroic ending..its the best one..

A lot of the choices lack for what I consider genuine heroism. For some reason, I thought my human noble warrior guy would get to be king - but he seemed like such a bit of slime when I took that ending. Worse, he apparently made no impact on the future - Anora just did Anora-stuff. I can't help thinking I just made her a pretty, blond boy toy.  Alastair's 'die for you' ending is heroic - but there's no way I can get through that. 

I'm beginning to see your point - heroism should be remembered with something more than 'eh - let's just  pretend it didn't happen.'

[T1l]

Feraele wrote...

T1l wrote...

Hang on, wait a moment... is the Orlesian Grey Warden not there for the continuation of those who did make the Ultimate Sacrifice? That's the impression I'm under. Did I miss something?

Yeah...but the new Grey warden knows NOTHING about what happened to his predecessor,  this is what creates the hole.   And again the Ultimate Sacrifice is forgotten..never happened.

...yeah, ok, I retract my previous comments if this is true then. That's a massive let down.

EDIT: I am somewhat sceptical about this actually being true though. Do we have any clarification that this is definitely the case?

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 10:00 .

[Ceridraen]

T1l wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

I'm under the impression that the Orlesian Grey Warden has a default type start - they'll set, say, Alastair as King, some canon type backstory, and you'd go from there, with no impact from any previous saves.

...

Oh. Well now, this changes my perspective somewhat if that is the case. I had the impression the Orlesian Grey Warden was there for those of us who did kill themselves; not just a generic starting character for those new to DA:O.

Well, if that is the case, you guys can add me to the pitch-fork-wielding mob. That would be a huge let down.

A recruit!  I see us with torches, marching slowly & ominously toward some tired but wide-eyed developers.

[Feraele]

T1l wrote...

Feraele wrote...

T1l wrote...

Hang on, wait a moment... is the Orlesian Grey Warden not there for the continuation of those who did make the Ultimate Sacrifice? That's the impression I'm under. Did I miss something?

Yeah...but the new Grey warden knows NOTHING about what happened to his predecessor,  this is what creates the hole.   And again the Ultimate Sacrifice is forgotten..never happened.

...yeah, ok, I retract my previous comments if this is true then. That's a massive let down.

Thanks T

[blademaster7]

Ceridraen wrote...

So the new warden's beginning would be determined by what the dead warden did, is that what you mean? Actually, I don't see why they couldn't do that.

I don't think it's really that hard to implement. They are just trying to narrow down the "canon endings".

I've been saying this for weeks. A dead protagonist cannot continue his/her story. The expansion will only recognize saves with:

1) Ritual with Morrigan, Warden kills the Archdemon
2) Loghain or Alistair killed the Archdemon. The Warden lives.

The Ultimate Sacrifice is just being ignored. You can either import your dead character and have your ending completely altered or start as a new character from Orlais and be given a "default" ending. Your choices won't be imported either way.

Next thing you know; Morrigan is running around with an Old God child even if you refused her ritual and let someone else take the blow.

[earl of the north]

1.4 – Will there be new Origin Stories in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening? (Back to top)
There are no new origin stories in Awakening. If you create a new character, there is a new background as the "Orlesian Grey Warden". But you do not play a custom origin story; instead the game reacts at various points to your background, sometimes in dramatic ways.

Nothing there about whether your actions in a Ultimate Sacrifice ending will be taken into account.

1.9 – Which Dragon Age: Origins NPC will be returning? (Back to top)
Besides Oghren who plays a large role in Awakening, there are cameos and returning characters. For companions you'll potentially meet Loghain, Wynne, and Alistair depending on your decisions in Origins. In regards to NPCs, Master Wade and Herren reprise their roles, with Wade offering to make even more fantastical goods if the player brings his list of ingredients. Loghain's daughter, Anora, may also appear in Awakening depending on your choices in Origins. From David Gaider's novel "The Calling" - both the Architect and Utha are present in Awakening.

The above states your actions will be taken into account, although it doesn't say whether you character has to have survived DAO or not.

Frankly at the moment, we do not know if our actions are or are not taken into account if we sacrificed our character......maybe we should find out before we grab our pitchforks.

Modifié par earl of the north, 15 février 2010 - 10:02 .